Trump decrees that California is not in a drought

[Gimmesometruth]

No, there would be more storage. A lot of releases are to satisfy one industry or another.

Again, if storage is ALREADY below capacity, how will adding more capacity change anything? All of the reservoirs in CA, along with those in the Colorado basin (Powell, Mead, etc) are below 50% filled. The problem is and has been precipitation, not capacity.

 

[eohrnberger]

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3. It might just be that the human population has over taxed what the land can bare.

1. Some of it may return as rain. Problem is, the water evaporates mainly in the summer. The rain/snow comes in the winter. It's not at all unusual for no rain at all to fall for six or seven months of the year.

2. I think it's similar to that, yes. Actually, if you look at the geography of Chile, it is very similar to that of California, but with the seasons reversed and the wetter part in the south.

3. Without additional water coming from somewhere else, that's looking more and more likely.

If #3 is the likely root cause, then it will never be easily addressed without mass migration and depopulation back to what the land and the water sheds will be able to support, neither of which is likely to be an easy or welcome solution, but may be the facts of the matter.

 

[gavinfielder]

The reason is that my fellow Americans, or at least a few of them, might actually be so naive as to elect Donald Trump to the presidency of the United States. That is enough to cause an obsession. How can people be so foolish?

I didn't read much, but it looked like he just spent the last few pages backing up Trump's claim that there's no drought in California. Reasoning is a little beyond this.

 

[MrT]

In what way?

Drought was exacerbated. I'm on phone so can't link the research, but it was published after being researched by a Stanford University.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I didn't read much, but it looked like he just spent the last few pages backing up Trump's claim that there's no drought in California. Reasoning is a little beyond this.

Who he? Not me. I did not say the first word on whether there is a drought in California.

Good paying attention right there!

Seriously.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Drought was exacerbated. I'm on phone so can't link the research, but it was published after being researched by a Stanford University.

it's ok, you can link the research when you're not busy, I'll wait. remember I'm the guy who still writes paper checks and pays people by mailing them through the post office. patience is a specialty

 

[Socrates1]

??? Give them buckets and have them bring back some of that Texas water?

OR , have 7 million less using it . :lamo

 

[Socrates1]

You think flooding in Texas is a joke? I would love to respond, but am unable to do so without being banned. Lucky day for you.

Oh , wow I'm so ,so lucky !!! :lamo

 

[code1211]

That is a gross oversimplification.

The delta smelt is an indicator species. It is highly sensitive to salt and to pollution. The water in the delta is getting increasingly polluted and salty. The more water that gets pumped out, the saltier it gets. Too much salt means the water is not usable for agriculture.

Meanwhile, the pollution mainly comes from cities upstream from the two big rivers, the Sacramento and San Joaquin.

Some of the farmers in the west side of California depend, at least in part, on water from the Delta. They think they should be able to pump as much as they want, and that the Democrats in Congress are keeping them from it. The truth is that the limits on pumping were placed there by the courts, and that too much additional pumping would render the water too salty for use anyway.

That is a thumbnail sketch of the situation at any rate. Water use and availability is a highly complex subject for the state of California, and agriculture is an important part of the economy. I could go on about this subject, but it would be long and no one would read it anyway.

Is all rainwater conscientiously collected and saved for later use preventing any run-off that might waste it into the ocean?

You directed me back to this post and it does not answer my question.

Why are smelt more important than people?

 

[mak2]

Who said smelt are more important than people?

Is all rainwater conscientiously collected and saved for later use preventing any run-off that might waste it into the ocean?

You directed me back to this post and it does not answer my question.

Why are smelt more important than people?

 

[cpwill]

Believe who you will. I didn't say that we shouldn't build more dams. I said more dams are only a small part of the solution. Underground storage is another part of the puzzle, but some parts of California have been pumped so dry that the land has subsided and water can no longer be stored underground there.

but, there are easy answers to this and other complex issues. Just ask the Donald: He'll tell you. Need water? Build more dams! Better yet, just decree the drought to be over. Illegal immigration? Build a fence! Jobs? Bring 'em back to the US! All great, easy answers. Bumper sticker answers. Trump has lots of answers. Easy answers. Great answers. He has solutions. Solutions to real problems. He's great. He's really rich, too.

Actually I think his solution was that he was going to "Open Up The Water".

Hey, remember 8 years ago, when Republicans were mocking a presidential candidate for saying he would begin to lower the oceans and heal the planet? Yeah, good times.

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[Dittohead not!]

Is all rainwater conscientiously collected and saved for later use preventing any run-off that might waste it into the ocean?

You directed me back to this post and it does not answer my question.

Why are smelt more important than people?

Why is the canary more important than the coal miners?
California's water comes mainly from snowmelt, not from rain in the valley. Is that collected? Yes, by a series of reservoirs and underground storage units.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Actually I think his solution was that he was going to "Open Up The Water".

Hey, remember 8 years ago, when Republicans were mocking a presidential candidate for saying he would begin to lower the oceans and heal the planet? Yeah, good times.

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No... saying he would begin to "lower the oceans and heal the planet?" Lower the oceans? Really?

 

[code1211]

Who said smelt are more important than people?

Anyone who wants the water that could be used for agriculture diverted to the ocean to maintain the salinity of the water that supports smelt is saying this.

 

[mak2]

Oh, I think not. I think the ecosystem might be more important than the water for people in the long run.

Anyone who wants the water that could be used for agriculture diverted to the ocean to maintain the salinity of the water that supports smelt is saying this.

 

[code1211]

Why is the canary more important than the coal miners?
California's water comes mainly from snowmelt, not from rain in the valley. Is that collected? Yes, by a series of reservoirs and underground storage units.

I don't think the canary is more important than the coal miners. Isn't that the whole point of having the canary down there?

Do the billions of gallons that are drained into the sea also get collected?

Forbes Welcome

 

[cpwill]

No... saying he would begin to "lower the oceans and heal the planet?" Lower the oceans? Really?

I know, right? How crazy that a politician could have such a cult following that he would tell them (and they believe) that he could command the climate? I'm glad that's only limited to those silly Democrats....

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[MrT]

it's ok, you can link the research when you're not busy, I'll wait. remember I'm the guy who still writes paper checks and pays people by mailing them through the post office. patience is a specialty

Here you go: Stanford scientists say drought linked to climate change

 

[reinoe]

You just showed that you are as idiotic as Trump. 97% of one year does not make up for the past decade of below normal precipitation....and that is only northern California. Southern and Central California are further below normal. DOH!

If this were a real problem then California wouldn't have sanctuary cities. Illegal immigrants use up water that would otherwise get used by people who belong in this country. Nothing should be done to help anyone in that state until they change their policy.

 

[disneydude]

If this were a real problem then California wouldn't have sanctuary cities. Illegal immigrants use up water that would otherwise get used by people who belong in this country. Nothing should be done to help anyone in that state until they change their policy.

Seriously? That is just a ridiculous statement. sorry.

 

[Dittohead not!]

I know, right? How crazy that a politician could have such a cult following that he would tell them (and they believe) that he could command the climate? I'm glad that's only limited to those silly Democrats....

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Who is this person who claimed he could lower the oceans?

 

[cpwill]

Who is this person who claimed he could lower the oceans?

I dunno, some dude. He was running for some political office, or something.

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[Dittohead not!]

I dunno, some dude. He was running for some political office, or something.

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Did he make any other absurd pronouncements, or was it limited to lowering the level of the oceans? I really don't recall any candidate making such a claim.

 

[gavinfielder]

If this were a real problem then California wouldn't have sanctuary cities. Illegal immigrants use up water that would otherwise get used by people who belong in this country. Nothing should be done to help anyone in that state until they change their policy.

If we're really going there, California could do without the entire south and midwest. Red states do have a higher percentage of people on welfare. **** them.

More importantly, though, your comment is entirely ignorant. Water in California pretty much all goes to agriculture, and our products feed the rest of the country. If not for California, our supermarkets would either have a lot less choice or a lot more asian labels.

But sure, **** us, **** you, **** everyone until they do whatever political rhetoric of the day tells them to and **** us all when we reap the actual consequences.

 

[beefheart]

if california had water shortage, california would not have all those mexicans, and would not be a sanctuary state with sanctuary cities.

Ask the fed to round them up and deport them, and you will have plenty of water.

dumbest post ever