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Trump debuts 1st TV ad

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Oh dear lord.. :shock:
Trump debuts 1st TV ad | Fox News
The initial ad, scheduled to begin airing on Tuesday, focuses on key issues including national security and illegal immigration.
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Well, it does appear that Trump is going to truly fight tooth and nail:
The billionaire businessman said in a statement Monday he will begin spending at least $2 million dollars per week on his campaign, with $1.1 million allocated to television ads in Iowa and close to $1 million on TV ads in New Hampshire
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Relevant: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ake-america-great-by-keeping-the-darkies-out/
 
Took forever to actually find the ad itself without the network coverage talking all over it.

To be honest, the ad is just a brief recap of what he has been saying all along. Obama is wrong, Hillary would be just like him, call "Islamic Terrorism" what it is, shutdown Muslim immigration and refugee inbound to the US, and build a wall with Mexico sending them the bill.

Very high level almost reminder ad of what Trump stands for headed into battleground primary States just one month away.

This was bound to happen, he eventually had to go to this step to complement the media talking about him non-stop anyway. In a sense, it already worked as every major network is talking about this ad... that says nothing new.
 

I tend to agree. What is mildly surprising for me is the fact that Trump, when he did make his first TV ad, decided to essentially double down on several of the most radical proposals (the only?) that he has made. The notion that his ad would keep the same "ban muslim immigration until we can figure out what's going on" line is absurd and laughable in its own right. That violating many of our countries core principles for an indefinite time period because we need to "figure out what's going on" is repeated and supported by so many individuals is quite frightening as well.
 

Note, I am not defending Trump's proposals.

But he *has* to go about campaigning this way now, by continually capitalizing going forward on what has worked so far with Republican base voters. He is where he is in the polls because of that rhetoric to date, agree with him or not. Look at it this way, this is the bed he has made. To deviate from this path now suggests an even bigger problem.

Assuming it is Trump vs. Hillary, this ad will be key points of discussion in a general election debate (because it is just a regurgitation of what he has been saying all along.)
 

Simply dropping the word Muslim and substituting "devise better vetting procedures" for "figure out what is going on" would do nicely.
 

Yep, changing his issue positions to please the MSM, political pundits or party elites is exactly what Trump must not do.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Simply dropping the word Muslim and substituting "devise better vetting procedures" for "figure out what is going on" would do nicely.
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Well, perhaps, but he did not drop the word "Muslim" and so is targeting only them.
 
JasperL said:
Well, perhaps, but he did not drop the word "Muslim" and so is targeting only them.
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So, we agree? Perhaps even using "terror hot spots" would be better, but the policy of better immigration control (immiigration reform?) is a popular idea among most candidates and voters.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
So, we agree? Perhaps even using "terror hot spots" would be better, but the policy of better immigration control (immiigration reform?) is a popular idea among most candidates and voters.
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Agree with what? And again, he didn't say "terror hot spots" and so would ban Muslims, and only them, from anywhere on the planet. I can only agree or not with the plan as it is. I have in other threads discussed my general views on immigration. This isn't the place, since his ad is very specific, and there is no chance he misspoke or is being misunderstood.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Simply dropping the word Muslim and substituting "devise better vetting procedures" for "figure out what is going on" would do nicely.
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Yeah it makes me wonder who the **** approved the ad? Its one thing to say "ban all muslims" through words, but this is television. Everyone knows you can't actually do that. I just can't believe he didn't tone it down for the T.V. spots. I guess he's not serious about winning after all.
 

Dude gets more free commercials simply by how much media licks his boots every time he leaves his front door.
 

Hillary knows that you cannot make college free for all, but saying that she supports it gets her attention and addresses an issue. Political campaigns are about image - selling the sizzle but not the steak. Trump is steering the menu discussion to immigration, war on terror and jobs without much meat at all - lots of sizzle and no (very little?) steak.
 
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David_N said:
Oh dear lord.. :shock:
Trump debuts 1st TV ad | Fox News

Well, it does appear that Trump is going to truly fight tooth and nail:

Relevant: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ake-america-great-by-keeping-the-darkies-out/
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So, now we'll see how well xenophobia, delusion, and hyperbola actually sell. We already know that there is a ready market.

Doesn't the slogan "make America great again" imply that America is not great now? Does such a putdown actually sell as well? I suppose we'll find out.
 
JasperL said:
Well, perhaps, but he did not drop the word "Muslim" and so is targeting only them.
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Sure, because euphemisms and filters is part of the PC program that Trump and his supporters are revolting against. We believe that the language controls hurt America. And we also believe that far to many Americans are far too squeamish. Not muslims are not the problem, muslims are the problem, and we believe in calling a spade a spade.

It is only after we talk honestly about our problems, and much more importantly think honestly about our problems, that we will be able to solve them. Worrying about offending the weak, hurting their feelings with words, is a luxury that we can no longer afford according to the vast majority of the Trump Army.

Another thing: Listen in on the focus groups. What you will hear a lot of is stuff like " Well, I dont agree with Trump on banning Muslims but I love that he is thinking this way and talking this way, trying to solve problems and talking to us honestly about it, so I refuse to be offended". Being offended is a sign of weakness with this crowd, and we are sick and tired of feeling like America and Americans are weak. This is a direct result in part of the way Obama operates, of how we believe he feels about America. But a lot more too, most people we know are very stressed these days, the economy and a whole bunch of other stuff does not work very well (like Washington for instance)....but this is America, when the going gets tough the tough get going and we want to be tough.

The first job is mucking out Washington.
 
You can make college free for all on the receiving end, you just have to massively raise taxes. That doesn't actually lower the cost of college. Where Hillary and Bernie fail is that they never produce any ways to lower the cost of college (and there are plenty of ways to do that).
Which means you can wind up with idiots who have no business pursuing a secondary degree wasting everyone's time and money but not dropping out and getting a job because they're "going to school".
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Simply dropping the word Muslim and substituting "devise better vetting procedures" for "figure out what is going on" would do nicely.
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In other words, "come up with a different policy that is not discriminatory and sounds rational." Yes, I would agree, that would do nicely.
 

Sending fewer people to university would be one of the best ways to lower the cost to the nation. 20% of the people we send are not qualified and usually fail out, leaving them with debt most of the time. We can start with them. Bernie and Hillary want to hand out more "free" candy though...." sure, go to college, have fun, the nation will pay for it, we dont want you to have any skin in the game" and they should add " because we are stupid like that".

No.
 
MrT said:
In other words, "come up with a different policy that is not discriminatory and sounds rational." Yes, I would agree, that would do nicely.
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That is what candidates do in the general (attracting independents?) election campaign stage, we are still in the primary (herding zealots?) campaign stage.
 
I watched it. Doesn't it feeling like a hollywood movie trailer? I guess I am surprised with how conventional it is. And with how dark it is. Dont know about that, Trump needs to be selling hope.
 
MrT said:
That violating many of our countries core principles for an indefinite time period because we need to "figure out what's going on" is repeated and supported by so many individuals is quite frightening as well.
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Which principles would it be violating?

America has had a selective immigration policy for most of its existence. Furthermore, American law (specifically U.S. Code 1182) already has necessary precedent for Trump's proposals. There's nothing unconstitutional about it, and it's consistent with the right to self-determination of any sovereign nation, of which control of one's borders is an essential element.
 

US Code 1182 provides a lot of classes of individuals that are exempted from entrance. Do you notice one class of individuals that is conspicuously absent? A class based purely on religion. And that is because one of the principles violated by Trump's proposal is the notion that we are a nation free from dictates by the Government to pursue or avoid pursuing specific types of religion.
 
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