Trump cannot back down from Canada

[concernedpuma]

That's a different subject. I'm not ready to launch into a different subject so soon.

I was just trying to nail down the details of the last topic, namely about whether Canada was flooding the global market (which so far does not appear to be the case). Would need still more information (and a little breathing room) before I was ready to launch into a new debate.

In the process of trying to nail that last topic down, I have learned more about Canada's quotas and pricing and the kinds of dairy products both our countries are dealing with. I can see why each side has become frustrated as the other side tries to jockey its way into a better position domestically and globally.


It seems both our countries try to limit imports from the other country. They just have different mechanisms to do it.

Jeeeeesus God! Is there nothing President Trump can do without criticisms? I feel sorry for him, and almost as sorry for the spikes in his every road from folks who find negativism as a constructive path. to help the US.
Regards,
CP

 

[Bucky]

Just bear in mind that Trump is a reality tee vee show host and he thinks everything is a reality show, which means that NOTHING is actually REAL to him at all.

Chuckle. Canada almost voted in reality Tv star Kevin O'Leary as PM. chuckle.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

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[Checkerboard Strangler]

Chuckle. Canada almost voted in reality Tv star Kevin O'Leary as PM. chuckle.

No, they didn't. Stop fronting, dude.

And I notice you have absolutely NOTHING to say about the real world issues of distribution in Canada's outlying areas. This is just a reality show to you too.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Chuckle. Canada almost voted in reality Tv star Kevin O'Leary as PM. chuckle.

Not even close he pulled out of the Conservative party leadership race about halfway through. Before any vote was taken

 

[iguanaman]

Jeeeeesus God! Is there nothing President Trump can do without criticisms? I feel sorry for him, and almost as sorry for the spikes in his every road from folks who find negativism as a constructive path. to help the US.
Regards,
CP

He's lying about helping America. Get that thru your head. He's only interested i helping himself and his friends like Putin. He spits on the average American daily.

 

[Amelia]

That's a different subject. I'm not ready to launch into a different subject so soon.

I was just trying to nail down the details of the last topic, namely about whether Canada was flooding the global market (which so far does not appear to be the case). Would need still more information (and a little breathing room) before I was ready to launch into a new debate.

In the process of trying to nail that last topic down, I have learned more about Canada's quotas and pricing and the kinds of dairy products both our countries are dealing with. I can see why each side has become frustrated as the other side tries to jockey its way into a better position domestically and globally.


It seems both our countries try to limit imports from the other country. They just have different mechanisms to do it.

Jeeeeesus God! Is there nothing President Trump can do without criticisms? I feel sorry for him, and almost as sorry for the spikes in his every road from folks who find negativism as a constructive path. to help the US.
Regards,
CP

Why did you post that to me?

My post didn't mention Trump.

That's a rhetorical question. I really don't care why you posted that to me. Trump earns the criticism. But that has nothing to do with my post and I'm pretty sure I don't want to talk about Trump with you.

 

[concernedpuma]

Chuckle. Canada almost voted in reality Tv star Kevin O'Leary as PM. chuckle.

O'Leary in 2020, or sooner if Canadian Parliament can do so. Could anyone be worse than Trudeau? Quebec Libre! what happened to that? Wasn't that is old man's deal?
Regards,
CP

 

[iguanaman]

Soooo much information packed into this thread. I need to bookmark it.

Not that the Trumper's care about information. They get everything they know from his mouth and that is not much.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Hey Bucky, howzabout you actually debate the issues?
Here's a MAP with fuel costs and travel time for a typical dairy truck departing Calgary to Fort McPherson, which is one of those remote towns you'd have to service.



Now explain to all your Trump friends how an American dairy plans to enjoy that service route.
See, once all this nonsense actually winds up on a goddamn MAP with the costs, suddenly all the cute and glib quips about how America's being treated unfairly and how Twumpy's gonna teach all those Canucks a lesson suddenly turn sour.

Go on, buddy...hop in your Twumpy American dairy truck and service that route for us!

God, I wish we could all be in a convention hall and I had visual aids on a screen.
Bucky and his Twumpy friends would be sneaking out of the room in five minutes.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Just bear in mind that Trump is a reality tee vee show host and he thinks everything is a reality show, which means that NOTHING is actually REAL to him at all.

That's fair, I wonder if Trump supporters think Canada has a hidden palace filled with money it stole from US through bad trade deals and that there is an evil factory in Burlington Ontario designed to steal American jobs and powered solely by burning American flags.

 

[concernedpuma]

He's lying about helping America. Get that thru your head. He's only interested i helping himself and his friends like Putin. He spits on the average American daily.

God help you, my friend. That approaches paranoia. Do you not read the positive results of a Capitalist society, and see positivity? Perhaps, you aren't a Capitalist, but I am.
Regards,
CP

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Tell us all how a US dairy is going to MAKE MONEY with their new Canadian service territory, where it's typically one person for every 72 square miles.
Go on, tell us...tell us all, we're dying to hear the plan.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

That's fair, I wonder if Trump supporters think Canada has a hidden palace filled with money it stole from US through bad trade deals and that there is an evil factory in Burlington Ontario designed to steal American jobs and powered solely by burning American flags.

That is precisely how Twumpians think, because they CAN'T think.
Whatever Twump tee vee tells them to think, that's WHAT they think.

 

[Bucky]

No, they didn't. Stop fronting, dude.

And I notice you have absolutely NOTHING to say about the real world issues of distribution in Canada's outlying areas. This is just a reality show to you too.

Not at all. I am concerned about American farmers being abused by Canada. A lot of farmers in America are committing suicide because of this.

Trump is being fair. Allow ultrafiltered milk and skim milk powder to enter Québec tariff-free. That used to be how it was. THAT IS THE ONLY REQUEST.

Trade agreements between the United States and Canada govern what kinds of tariffs the countries can impose on each other’s goods. While NAFTA eliminated many tariffs between the countries, some large tariffs on dairy remained.

But ultrafiltered milk hit the market after NAFTA’s 1994 enactment. As a result, it could enter Canada without facing big tariffs.

Ontario farmers, frustrated with the arrangement, last April dramatically cut the prices on Canadian ultrafiltered milk. Other provinces plan to follow suit, posing a dire threat to U.S. farms.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-test-president-trump/?utm_term=.4ce26e0a9f0a

Canadians price drop caused massive losses to American farmers. $150 million + to be exact.

 

[Bucky]

Hey Bucky, howzabout you actually debate the issues?
Here's a MAP with fuel costs and travel time for a typical dairy truck departing Calgary to Fort McPherson, which is one of those remote towns you'd have to service.

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Now explain to all your Trump friends how an American dairy plans to enjoy that service route.
See, once all this nonsense actually winds up on a goddamn MAP with the costs, suddenly all the cute and glib quips about how America's being treated unfairly and how Twumpy's gonna teach all those Canucks a lesson suddenly turn sour.

Go on, buddy...hop in your Twumpy American dairy truck and service that route for us!

God, I wish we could all be in a convention hall and I had visual aids on a screen.
Bucky and his Twumpy friends would be sneaking out of the room in five minutes.

My friend, all the U.S wants to to be able to sell skim milk power to canada tarriff free and Canada not manipulating the market.

 

[Yes_Minister]

God help you, my friend. That approaches paranoia. Do you not read the positive results of a Capitalist society, and see positivity? Perhaps, you aren't a Capitalist, but I am.
Regards,
CP

Still seems like mercantilism to me and other countries do not like it when you try to impose a mercantilist system on them.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Not at all. I am concerned about American farmers being abused by Canada. A lot of farmers in America are committing suicide because of this.

Trump is being fair. Allow ultrafiltered milk and skim milk powder to enter Québec tariff-free. That used to be how it was. THAT IS THE ONLY REQUEST.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-test-president-trump/?utm_term=.4ce26e0a9f0a

Canadians price drop caused massive losses to American farmers. $150 million + to be exact.

How much of the problems with the dairy market in Wisconsin are due to over production though?

 

[Bucky]

How much of the problems with the dairy market in Wisconsin are due to over production though?

Yes overproduction is a problem but part of the problem is Canada exporting their milk, which is not really an export, it is dumping a surplus.

Also, milk is being attacked by militant vegans in this country who are slandering dairy products as unhealthy food. Vegans are using alternative facts imo because dairy is very important in a human's diet.

 

[iguanaman]

God help you, my friend. That approaches paranoia. Do you not read the positive results of a Capitalist society, and see positivity? Perhaps, you aren't a Capitalist, but I am.
Regards,
CP

Trump is a crook and a fraud more than a capitalist and is not qualified for his office. His actions have hurt us in more ways than any help he claims to bring. We must have the rule of law or we have nothing. No man is above the law. When Trump abuses our capitalist system for his own gain and he must answer for it. Surely you know this as an American?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

That's fair, I wonder if Trump supporters think Canada has a hidden palace filled with money it stole from US through bad trade deals and that there is an evil factory in Burlington Ontario designed to steal American jobs and powered solely by burning American flags.

BLAMMO!!! Mic drop!!! :bravo:

 

[Bucky]

Trump is a crooked capitalist and is not qualified for his office. His actions have hurt us in more ways than any help he claims to bring. We must have the rule of law or we have nothing. No man is above the law.

He will likely last in office longer than Canada's pm. I am pretty sure of this.

 

[Amelia]

How much of the problems with the dairy market in Wisconsin are due to over production though?

Quite a bit, but overproduction from where?

2/14/2018: Farmers continue to navigate uncertain future in agriculture

Too much milk

Much of the United States now has too much milk, partly from dairy farms expanding their herds during high prices in 2014. Those prices have since plummeted to the point where some farms have lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in income a year.

The introduction of out-of-state milk into Wisconsin processing plants doesn't help the situation, farmers say. Smith says that many processors in the state have accepted milk from Michigan and as far away as Florida.

"Michigan increased its milk production by over 3.5 percent in the last year and they do not have the processing capacity to handle that, whereas Wisconsin has the processors and the infrastructure to handle the additional milk," Smith said.

According to the FDA's Interstate Milk Shippers, out of the nation's 727 dairy processors in 2017, Wisconsin was home to 125 dairy processing plants, followed by California with 80.

"A lot of this out-of-state milk is available for the processing plant to purchase at below market order prices, and that makes for cheap milk for some of the processors," Smith said.

Smith said it would take an act of legislation in order to prevent other states from dumping cheap milk in Wisconsin.

Canada's efforts to protect their producers and bolster their exports sure aren't helping, but neither are Trump's tariffs. The tariffs are hurting already suffering farms. Maybe in the long run the tariffs will help ... someone. But a lot more small Wisconsin farms might be collateral damage before we get to that better time.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Not at all. I am concerned about American farmers being abused by Canada. A lot of farmers in America are committing suicide because of this.

Trump is being fair. Allow ultrafiltered milk and skim milk powder to enter Québec tariff-free. That used to be how it was. THAT IS THE ONLY REQUEST.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-test-president-trump/?utm_term=.4ce26e0a9f0a

Canadians price drop caused massive losses to American farmers. $150 million + to be exact.

Total bullcrap. American dairy farmers enjoy price supports from Uncle Sam, and you know what? I don't even mind paying them either but this has nothing to do with Canada, which needs to support ITS dairy farmers for all the reasons I've listed already, NONE OF WHICH you have responded to.

Stop frontin, homie.

 

[iguanaman]

Yes overproduction is a problem but part of the problem is Canada exporting their milk, which is not really an export, it is dumping a surplus.

Also, milk is being attacked by militant vegans in this country who are slandering dairy products as unhealthy food. Vegans are using alternative facts imo because dairy is very important in a human's diet.

Wisconsin alone has more dairy cows than all of Canada. Perhaps we should look at our own subsidized dairy industry for its overproduction? No, you didn't think about that because Trump didn't tell you. There is nothing so useless as a Trump supporter, they all "know everything" while really knowing nothing just like their Dear Leader. Trade between nations is not a simple "kick some sand in Canada's face" and they will sign. It's complicated, far TOO complicated for Trump to grasp. It's like a 8 year old trying brain surgery.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/dairy-farmers-wisconsin-trump-1.4081391