Trump Can’t Quit the Victim Act

[devildavid]

C'mon baby, let's do the twist. So when trump says the mexicans are murderers, rapists, drug dealer and such, it's not an attack it's an opinion but when people give their opinion of trump, it's an attack. We can always count on you to defend trump and you can keep defending him as he goes down the tubes of relevance.

The right wing nutters don’t know what the word opinion means. But they love to use it as an excuse to attack and troll their perceived enemies. They can dish it out, but they can’t take it.

 

[Mycroft]

C'mon baby, let's do the twist. So when trump says the mexicans are murderers, rapists, drug dealer and such, it's not an attack it's an opinion but when people give their opinion of trump, it's an attack. We can always count on you to defend trump and you can keep defending him as he goes down the tubes of relevance.

sigh...

 

[Bodecea]

No. It's because he's a danger to the corrupt political system we've endured for decades.

As Hitler was a danger to the German republic.

 

[ataraxia]

So...people attacked Trump...he counter punched...and now those people are attacking him more.

In all the years I have been witnessing presidents and presidential candidates, I have seen them attacked plenty from all sides. But I have never seen one as combative, quarrelsome, petty, loud, and shockingly rude as Trump- or one which escalates the situation, rather than diffusing it, the way Trump does. It's like watching a spoiled rotten toddler. We were seeing that even in his days with his spats with Rosie O'Donnell. He is petty and just can't let things go. Even minor conflicts with him quickly escalate to battle-to-the-death in short order. That is not a good temperament in a president.

At best, let's say he is different. Maybe that's why he is treated differently.

 

[WillyPete]

All true. But, though this infuriates my wife when I say it, I can’t help but be fascinated by Trump. He is a low-life, lonely man, likely a rapist and admitted molester of women. He is also an obvious crook, based on his several previous frauds, and based on current fleecing of his lambs-to-the-slaughter supporters. But is there a more fascinating political phenomenon in our recent history? The demagogue Huey long at least delivered on some of his promises. George Wallace had his consciousness raised and apologized for his racism, Jessie Jackson repented for his anti-Semitic remark. But Donald soldiers on, unwilling even to admit that he has ever asked God for forgiveness. And his supporters don’t care, some of them willing to hang the unthreatening Mike Spence when Trump suggests it. The Trump phenomenon is the closest we’ve come to fascism. Who couldn’t be fascinated by it?

That AND the psychosis that led to his nomination, because none of the issues you describe were unknown when they put him up.

Trump's own mental workings are "interesting" like any self-justifying monster, but just think of the gang that looked at that mess and said THIS is the future of our political party.

Hilldog and Obama really got the goofs all spun up.

 

[Mycroft]

As Hitler was a danger to the German republic.

Not really. False analogy.

But hey...you get kudo's for playing the Nazi card.

Here's your kudo...

You are dismissed.

 

[gboisjo]

Last time I counted trump used the term "witch hunt" was four million times.

Trump trades on repetition of phrases such as "witch hunt" while his body language scream guilt.

 

[Peacenik]

All true, but he's not the world's greatest conman, because you, I and many other thinking Americans were not ignorant and foolish enough to fall for his bullshit. I knew he was full of shit years before the scumbag ever ran for office.

His loyal worshipers can't even tell the difference between sending a donation to a candidate who you want to win an election, and emptying your wallet for a bloated anti-American liar who is playing on the ignorance and infatuation of his gullible followers by making up a BIG LIE.

Who is the world's greatest con man if not Trump?

Many very intelligent and well educated people became Trump supporters. It is not so easy as name-calling and a false belief that intelligence is the deciding factor between supporting Trump or opposing him.

Trump is a talented slick-talking fraud and con man. He BS'd his way into the highest office in the world, and has escaped even being charged with any crime even though it is apparent he has committed many. He plays the media like a Stradivarius and exerts more control over the mainstream news cycle than any other person. (Despite deriding it at every turn.)

Of course he is the world's greatest con man. Name-calling and pretending it's all about intelligence is false.

Trump changed our national discourse. There was certainly a level of disrespect between the parties prior to his rise, but he made that far worse. Prior to Trump it was considered unacceptable for a major office candidate to call opponents derogatory names. Now the practice has been adopted by many. Trump did that with his BS. Before Trump, a scandal such as Hollywood Access would have sunk a candidate. Not so, any more. His brashness and slick-talking BS are so powerful he is immune to major scandals.

He has become so powerful that the power itself is becoming his undoing. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. He thinks he can get away with anything and therein lies his inevitable downfall. And that is only logical that the world's greatest con man would have the world's greatest fall. It's only a matter of time and details as to how it plays out.

But do not make the mistake of thinking he is an idiot or that his followers all are. That is simply not true.

The poison of American politics is dehumanizing the other side. That happens on both sides and it is a huge mistake. America can have a much better future with more respect and meaningful dialog. That needs to be our goal. Nobody ever said nation building was easy.

 

[WillyPete]

Who is the world's greatest con man if not Trump?

No, he did it all in the open and depended on his criminal organization and political protection to see him through.

It could have worked perfectly, but he just had to have the spotlight too.

The GOP are the world's biggest suckers, so I see the temptation.

 

[Peacenik]

That (bolded above) seems to be a distinction without a difference.

It merely affirms a belief that not all Trump supporters are gullible. Some are, some are not. Just like the general public. Some people are gullible, some are not. How does one ascertain a level of gullibility and determine whether the term applies or not? It's a judgement call, not an absolute.

One can be gullible on some occasions and not on others. It is not as if a person either is or isn't at all times.

Also, to get taken in by the world's greatest con man does not require being gullible. Simply utilizing a particular brand of infotainment and listening to rumors can lead to supporting a crook of a candidate.

 

[ttwtt78640]

It merely affirms a belief that not all Trump supporters are gullible. Some are, some are not. Just like the general public. Some people are gullible, some are not. How does one ascertain a level of gullibility and determine whether the term applies or not? It's a judgement call, not an absolute.

One can be gullible on some occasions and not on others. It is not as if a person either is or isn't at all times.

Also, to get taken in by the world's greatest con man does not require being gullible. Simply utilizing a particular brand of infotainment and listening to rumors can lead to supporting a crook of a candidate.

I never claimed that all Trump supporters were idiots or gullible. My comments addressed those who sent Trump donations based on Trump’s specific claims of victimhood - the premise of this thread.

 

[Rawley]

You must have a rich private life.

Incredibly rich.

 

[Quag]

Who is the world's greatest con man if not Trump?

There is n way he is even close to the worlds greatest what he is is the worlds best known con man. He had had much success with his cons but they invariably collapse, soemtimes he gets out first sometimes he doesnt.

 

[Peacenik]

No, he did it all in the open and depended on his criminal organization and political protection to see him through.

It could have worked perfectly, but he just had to have the spotlight too.

The GOP are the world's biggest suckers, so I see the temptation.

Name calling is detrimental to a functional democracy. Here is what is going on:

The GOP is vulnerable to effective propaganda. The propaganda is designed to take advantage of a mindset which favors Christianity, heterosexuality, second amendment rights and white male power. It is very slick professional propaganda generated by huge well funded organizations called 'think tanks.' (Heritage Foundation, Cato Institute, etc) The funding sources are secret, but are well known to be very wealthy conservative and libertarian power players.

This began in earnest after the Powell Memo, which outlined a strategy for large corporations to spend funds to shape public opinion following the power rise of the left in the 60's to oppose the Vietnam War and dangerous consumer products such as the Chevrolet Corvair and big tobacco.

This is now aided by many conservative right wing talk pundits who have found that dehumanizing the left is very popular among those susceptible to right wing propaganda, and thus very lucrative for the talk pundits. How much is Tucker Carlson worth? There we have it.

 

[Peacenik]

There is n way he is even close to the worlds greatest what he is is the worlds best known con man. He had had much success with his cons but they invariably collapse, soemtimes he gets out first sometimes he doesnt.

I do not mean to say that this distinction is any kind of laudable one. And the question remains unanswered.

If Trump is not the world's greatest con man, then who is?

 

[Quag]

I do not mean to say that this distinction is any kind of laudable one. And the question remains unanswered.

If Trump is not the world's greatest con man, then who is?

Madoff definitely was far better at it than Trump but the greatest one would never be caught so we would never know

 

[Buckeyes85]

C'mon baby, let's do the twist. So when trump says the mexicans are murderers, rapists, drug dealer and such, it's not an attack it's an opinion but when people give their opinion of trump, it's an attack. We can always count on you to defend trump and you can keep defending him as he goes down the tubes of relevance.

I've been learning all new excuses for Trumpish behavior. But I think my favorite is the suggestion is that Trump debasing a whole group of people is not an "attack"- it's just his opinion. Cuz you know, voicing a negative opinion against someone is not an attack. And then when his opinions spark outrage and a response, those people calling him out are the attackers. And now he becomes the counter attacker. Perfect!

 

[SCrider]

Two thoughts: first, this is an unfortunate response because it suggests that Trump is so weak in character that other people keep him from showing his other side, something he is free to do anytime he wants.

Which speaks to my second point: there is no other side. This is who he is.

100% The guy is in his 70's he is who he is.

 

[Eriech]

That’s because he’s a corrupt, grifting, skum bag piece of shit.

No, that would be Biden.

 

[Eriech]

Victor Davis Hansen nails it

Was Trump Our Captain Queeg? › American Greatness

The Left, the NeverTrump Right, and many independents are tiring of Donald Trump’s recitations of prior, however justified, grievances at the hands of the media, the Democratic Party…

amgreatness.com

 

[Peacenik]

Look how much time you spend hating Trump, so sad!

A mutually respectful conversation requires two participants. We don't have that.

We won't be talking any more.

Have a nice life; and better luck next time!

My points were valid.

Trump is a slick talking con man. Multitudes fell for his shtick. Many are wising up.

Trump was all about getting people to hate one another; dehumanizing others to distract from his nonsense positions on things.

It is very refreshing to see people running away from Trump. It gives hope for a better USA future.

People need to stop dehumanizing their fellow Americans. We are all in this country together. We share our future together. We share our heritage and our challenges. We need to avoid making things personal. We should talk about the issues facing our nation. America is beginning to see through Trump's sad little petty victim act. That is a good thing!

 

[Queen Margo]

A mutually respectful conversation requires two participants. We don't have that.

We won't be talking any more.

Have a nice life; and better luck next time!

My points were valid.

Trump is a slick talking con man. Multitudes fell for his shtick. Many are wising up.

Trump was all about getting people to hate one another; dehumanizing others to distract from his nonsense positions on things.

It is very refreshing to see people running away from Trump. It gives hope for a better USA future.

People need to stop dehumanizing their fellow Americans. We are all in this country together. We share our future together. We share our heritage and our challenges. We need to avoid making things personal. We should talk about the issues facing our nation. America is beginning to see through Trump's sad little petty victim act. That is a good thing!

sheesh, and you think Trump is bad for not letting go...maybe you understand NOW!

 

[Queen Margo]

So you don't know anything about Joe Biden? Nancy Pelosi? AOC?

I think we can learn a whole lot about a person by watching them speak and observing their behavior.

Most adult Americans who paid any attention to the news knew that Donald was a jerk long before he announced for the presidency.

And he has confirmed all of that and more since then.

Trump has always been Trump. Better than somebody who puts on a false front and then blind sides us with the true being after the election.

 

[TXNormalGOP]

Observing the Trump haters actions and remarks has nothing to do with sending him money!

Do you really think it's ok for Trump to invite white supremacists to his home? He's a former president running for president. You really think that's ok?

 

[Rawley]

I've been learning all new excuses for Trumpish behavior. But I think my favorite is the suggestion is that Trump debasing a whole group of people is not an "attack"- it's just his opinion.

Like your party excusing Biden when he called tens of millions of American voters dangerous violent fascists?