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Trump campaign cutting ties with pollsters after internal numbers leaked

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Trump campaign cutting ties with pollsters after internal numbers leaked

The Trump campaign has now done the only logical thing: it has fired that polling company.


The Liar-in-Chief.


They blame it on leaks. The truth, is that the Trump administration is anathema to honesty. Don't like the polling numbers? Fire the pollster. Keep firing pollsters until one smart cookie gives you the results you want to hear. It's the same modality with Trump aides. They have a streak of honesty left in them? Get rid of them. More loyal to America than to TheDon? Show them the door. This behavior is symptomatic of this criminal administration.

Related: That’s One Way to Deal with Bad Poll Numbers… Just fire the pollster.
 
the campaign should just fire all of them and use Rasmussen for everything. his cult already does that. Rasmussen can tell him that he's winning in every state except California (but competitive there, too,) and against every potential candidate. then he can relax in front of fox and fools while waiting for his next taxpayer money - funneling trip to one of his properties.
 

You don't want to be the messenger delivering bad news to the Trump Administration.
 
From the story:

“All news about the President’s polling is completely false. The President’s new polling is extraordinary and his numbers have never been better,” the statement said.
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All news is completely false!!!

If you can read that and not think of this guy, you're a better person than I.

 
I have no faith in polls, not even "aggregates." :shrug:

Again, I took statistics and the main thing I learned was that polls can be manipulated in any number of ways. This includes, but is not limited to; how participant's are selected, the locales they are selected from, the numbers of "different representative groups" being questioned, and the form in which each question is framed. Then, how applicable are the polling numbers to the issue(s) the numbers are being used to "reflect" on.

I choose to maintain my own views and opinions on candidates and vote my own mind. I am not swayed by anyone else's "numbers." I could be the ONLY person who voted the way I did and would be content.

So whatever Trump does in this arena, makes no difference to me. Come 2020 it will all depend on if he does or does not still have my support. :coffeepap:
 
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JasperL said:
From the story:



All news is completely false!!!

If you can read that and not think of this guy, you're a better person than I.

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:lamo

It's literally amazing!

Because they snuck-in getting an unlikely & improbable win, due to everything aligning perfectly, they believe they are destined to do it again! :doh
 
I thought it was bad to leak poll information.
 
This amounts to shooting the messenger. Whoever gets hired to replace this polling company will be sure not to make the same mistake.

Lesson: If Trump wants to hear he is leading all over the country, you f'n tell him he is leading all over the country. Cash the checks quickly, too.
 
Chomsky said:
:lamo

It's literally amazing!

Because they snuck-in getting an unlikely & improbable win, due to everything aligning perfectly, they believe they are destined to do it again! :doh
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It's like doing this the first time you play basketball...


...and just assume that's how it's always going to go.
 
For the record, I have nothing against Republicans going into 2020 assuming they'll win. If trump fires every pollster until he gets the results he wants to see, then he has my full support.
 
Cardinal said:
It's like doing this the first time you play basketball...


...and just assume that's how it's always going to go.
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The night before the election, 538.com gave HRC a 71% chance of prevailing. That meant that Trump had somewhere between a 1-4 and 1-3 chance of pulling-off an upset. Those were fairly realistic odds, as 1 in 3 and 1 in 4 upsets occur often in life. In fact, they occur 1 out of 3 or 4 times! :2razz:

But what I want to know is, now that Trump has completely enclosed himself in a bubble, surrounding himself with sycophants and propagandist media, does he have an accurate objective assessment of himself and the electorate around him?

At times he shows excellent public relations chops, and at others he comes-off as a buffoon. His taking the immigrant family's babies and shutting-down the government were two seriously grave misreadings of the body politic. So is he in-touch today? We don't know. His strength seems to be in floating ideas, reading the public reaction, then recanting and pulling back. But I'm not sure he's in-touch as far as the electorate outside of his base, and he may be liable to screw-up outside them enough to lose.
 

It's hard to say. It seems like he believes that all he needs is to repeat the formula: give the base their red meat and he'll surf to another victory. But the 2020 election will have a completely different dynamic than in 2016, and his solid 44.5% almost certainly won't be enough.
 
I agree with a few other posts here that I’m glad to see Fabrizio go and Parscale squirm.
 

That's why a war is so essential.
 
Dittohead not! said:
He does seem to want one, doesn't he? I wonder if he realizes that his buddy, Putin, commands a nation that is an ally to Iran? Someone should tell him.
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Even if he does realize that Putin is buddy buddy with Iran, I wager he thinks he is so smart that he can handle the issue just by sending Vlad one of those "beautiful letters".
 
His base numbers from 2016 will absolutely not do it!

There's no way the Dems will lay low this time, like in 2016. Trump's going to have to pick up his numbers, in order to prevail. Whether through stronger base turnout, or elsewhere. I predict a higher turnout for the Dem candidate, and Trump will need to do likewise.
 
Dittohead not! said:
He does seem to want one, doesn't he? I wonder if he realizes that his buddy, Putin, commands a nation that is an ally to Iran? Someone should tell him.
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Ironically, as bad as Trump needs a war, his subservience to Putin may preclude one. This may be an example of Putin's influence over him being a good thing.
 
No doubt trump would have rather had these pollsters, lined up and shot at dawn....It must suck for him he can't do stuff like Kim Jon or Validimer does
 

His most senior adviser, who also happened to be his 3rd and last campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, is one of the best pollsters in this country. She has faith in polls. I'm sure Trump appreciates your support of his denial of polls, but I guarantee you the person who knows far more about them than you do isn't discounting the internal polls as you are.
 
I was never a fan of Trump. I didn't like his populist rhetoric, but I thought that was just his campaigning style. Then he was elected and I thought, OK campaign is over, now DJT will get down to business and become president. He'll become the chief executive.

I could not have been more wrong.

First, he surrounded himself will people who literally had no experience in government. People were put in charge of things for which they had no idea what the job entailed. Then he filled his cabinet with the same thing, people who literally had no qualifications for the post.

It is well known now that Trump has no idea what he is doing. He is ignorant and has no interest in changing that. He doesn't read. He doesn't listen, and he doesn't follow anyone's advice. When an expert in a given issue says something Trump doesn't want to hear, his dismisses them like so much garbage.

He has a propensity to agree with the last person he spoke with on any given topic, and he makes policy decisions on that basis.

Amazingly sad.
 
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