Trump approval rating: New poll released after US strikes on Iran

[Chomsky]

It was a hard pivot from the narrative about Trump being the President for peace, they probably were confused.

Well, the polls I saw showed a slight negative in whether we should attack Iran. So that may have been reflected in today's poll.

 

[Chomsky]

Yeah. Democrats are going to have to get their shit together, though. It's been a little lackluster thus far with them.

Who knows? We've been in uncharted waters so long I can't even hazard a guess. I don't know if I need another paddle? Or, a life preserver!

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Sorry. Korea & 'Nam were technically "conflicts". We just colloquially call them "wars". Just as I colloquially called Trump a "Wartime President".



I might agree.

The difference between a war and all that other post WW2 crap is, wars must be officially declared by Congress, AND wars must include concrete plans and timetables for victory AND plans for the events that come in the wake of said victory.
All of the above is anathema for well heeled defense contractors because victory spells the end of the money streams and post-victory plans cost a lot of taxpayer money and Congress critters blanche at that thought.

A real war is dirty, bloody and marked by responsibility, solid objectives and discipline.
Everything else inside of that is more discipline followed by somber moral responsibility and accountability.
And that's no fun at all, which is why it is much more popular to invent executive off ramps and workarounds that dismiss all that un-fun stuff.

When we were in the runup to Iraq II Dick Cheney waxed poetic about a "seventy year commitment" which gave everyone at Northrup Grumman, Halliburton, Raytheon, Carlisle, Lockheed and General Dynamics (and a ton of others) huge boners of Uncle Milty proportions.
That wasn't a war, it was a gravy train.

 

[Chomsky]

39K and 58K, respectively, American military personnel want a word. That’s just semantics, Israel and Iran lobbed missiles and bombs for 12 days…

Don't try to shame me, here.

There's proper technical terms for these conflicts, and that's what I used to refute your argument.

Remember, I'm the one that used the term "War". You disputed it. I'm fine calling our mid century conflicts the Korean & Nam Wars, and usually do. But if you want to go all technical on me, you've been advised of the proper technical terms.

 

[phoenix2020]

You were very kind to do those simple internet searches for @RetiredAtLast . Probably not the results he hoped for.

Thanks. To be frank, I expected him to immediately scamper off into the darkness so I really did it for myself and other posters looking for references. There is little value in gathering information for people like @RetiredAtLast. Why would a photocopier care for such things?

 

[Chomsky]

The difference between a war and all that other post WW2 crap is, wars must be officially declared by Congress,

AND wars must include concrete plans and timetables for victory AND plans for the events that come in the wake of said victory.
All of the above is anathema for well heeled defense contractors because victory spells the end of the money streams and post-victory plans cost a lot of taxpayer money and Congress critters blanche at that thought.

A real war is dirty, bloody and marked by responsibility, solid objectives and discipline.
Everything else inside of that is more discipline followed by somber moral responsibility and accountability.
And that's no fun at all, which is why it is much more popular to invent executive off ramps and workarounds that dismiss all that un-fun stuff.

When we were in the runup to Iraq II Dick Cheney waxed poetic about a "seventy year commitment" which gave everyone at Northrup Grumman, Halliburton, Raytheon, Carlisle, Lockheed and General Dynamics (and a ton of others) huge boners of Uncle Milty proportions.
That wasn't a war, it was a gravy train.

Rexedgar is aware of the bolded, which is why his response was to emotional appeal.

In terms of debate, he'll either have to accept the technical definition of the term, or allow for colloquial undefined use - in which case I prevail.

But geezus, we're colloquially opining as to whether the President gets support when joining an ongoing war.

Which brings up another interesting technicality? Did either Israel or Iran declare war? I don't believe so.

 

[Rexedgar]

Don't try to shame me, here.

There's proper technical terms for these conflicts, and that's what I used to refute your argument.

Remember, I'm the one that used the term "War". You disputed it. I'm fine calling our mid century conflicts the Korean & Nam Wars, and usually do. But if you want to go all technical on me, you've been advised of the proper technical terms.

You’re wrong on this, way wrong.

I got your “emotional appeal” right here!

You should be shamed, IMO.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[Rogue Valley]

Business optimism collapses under Trump

A June survey of business executives found that confidence in the U.S. economy has halved since the beginning of the year.

www.newsweek.com

 

[TangoNoCash]

Perfect flight . Someone buy this moron a thesaurus.

 

[ncguy]

Perfect flight . Someone buy this moron a thesaurus.

A thesaurus is far from sufficient to fix all of Trump's many mental deficiencies

 

[TamleeB]

The midterms are going to be a bloodbath for Republicans.

What a shame.

You truly believe that the midterms will be a “bloodbath for Republicans”? I am bookmarking your assertion.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[Peter]

You truly believe that the midterms will be a “bloodbath for Republicans”? I am bookmarking your assertion.

Go right ahead.
If the current shitshow that is the US doesnt result in a bloodbath for Republicans then I begin to wonder just how bad things need to get before Trump gets stopped.

 

[TamleeB]

Go right ahead.
If the current shitshow that is the US doesnt result in a bloodbath for Republicans then I begin to wonder just how bad things need to get before Trump gets stopped.

Last I heard impeachment seemed to be on the table again. I think it sounds like another great plan by the Democrats. I do hope they move forward with that magnificent, well thought out plan. Let’s see how America reacts to yet another impeachment.

 

[TangoNoCash]

Last I heard impeachment seemed to be on the table again. I think it sounds like another great plan by the Democrats. I do hope they move forward with that magnificent, well thought out plan. Let’s see how America reacts to yet another impeachment.

They rightfully threw it out because he wasn’t trying to bribe a foreign country or overthrow an election again.

 

[Peter]

Last I heard impeachment seemed to be on the table again. I think it sounds like another great plan by the Democrats. I do hope they move forward with that magnificent, well thought out plan. Let’s see how America reacts to yet another impeachment.

It all depends on what they impeached him for.
Are you against impeachment under any circumstances?

 

[TamleeB]

It all depends on what they impeached him for.
Are you against impeachment under any circumstances?

Of course not. What do you believe currently they are using as a catalyst for impeachment?
I guess abuse of power is out

House shelves effort to impeach Trump over Iran strikes

The U.S. House has voted overwhelmingly to set aside an effort to impeach President Donald Trump over the military strikes in Iran. A lone Democrat, Rep.

apnews.com

 

[Peter]

Of course not. What do you believe currently they are using as a catalyst for impeachment?
I guess abuse of power is out

House shelves effort to impeach Trump over Iran strikes

The U.S. House has voted overwhelmingly to set aside an effort to impeach President Donald Trump over the military strikes in Iran. A lone Democrat, Rep.

apnews.com

There's plenty of things to choose from.

Using the armed forces in the US for a start.

 

[TamleeB]

There's plenty of things to choose from.

Using the armed forces in the US for a start.

Like I said. I am all in on another impeachment. I truly hope the Dem’s go that route.

 

[Chomsky]

You’re wrong on this, way wrong.

I got your “emotional appeal” right here!

You should be shamed, IMO.

If you've a cite proving me wrong, feel free to produce it. Or, would you prefer I cite it?

 

[Chomsky]

Perfect flight . Someone buy this moron a thesaurus.

No! He would get even more confused.

 

[The Brad Dad]

RCP has him at 46.9 and Gallup has him at 45%, but keep hope alive

You’re kinda right and mostly wrong. A president’s personal polling doesn’t necessarily correlate to election wins anymore because of the polarization of the country. However that he’s underwater on so many of his own key issues can point to really soft support heading into the midterms. And then there’s the recession he’s creating that’s on the way. Sitting presidents of a recession don’t tend to do well.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

RCP has him at 46.9 and Gallup

Gallup has him at 40%, not 45%. (Apologies for the cutoff, I was deleting my incorrect link for Gallup and it deleted too far.)

Presidential Approval Ratings -- Donald Trump

Do you approve or disapprove of the way Donald Trump is handling his job as president?

news.gallup.com

RCP skews right but I'm not seeing one across the board rating anyway. Where do you get 46.9?

, but keep hope alive

We're hoping America makes it through all this crap.

 

[Peter]

Like I said. I am all in on another impeachment. I truly hope the Dem’s go that route.

How would you feel if a Dem President used US troops on US soil?