Trump approval rating at all-time high

[Conservative]

Please cite the law that says the money you contributed to Medicare in taxes was your money and not as I point out, paying into the system for those that were drawing Medicare at the time.

Also, 180 a month is nothing for health insurance. Typical premiums for a young family these days run 12k to 18k a year. For someone your age, it would be 3 times that much or more.

You paid into a socialized medicine program while you worked. That then qualified you for that socialized medicine program. It is no different than any other socialized medicine program on earth in that people pay taxes for. You just like to construct your own alternate reality that somehow for you its different...

I don't have to quote a law, I can show you my bank account and the withdrawals. Socialized medicine when I retired?? I was forced into this program not by choice which you seem to ignore. Have a good one, this is a waste of time and has nothing to do with the OP. Your massive support for the liberal massive central govt/ defies logic and common sense

 

[Conservative]

you said you were forced and that you didn't receive a due benefit....sorry, can't have it both ways...you were certainly free to choose not to take on that bill.

Are you really this clueless or is this an act? I choose when to take SS not so with Medicare. Cannot believe how poorly educated the left is

 

[Conservative]

who says we are only talking about federal funds? Hospitals and schools indeed get federal funds...do you know what they are funded through? They also receive state funds..but they do receive federal.

They get federal funds but not for what you think, why don't you find out where those funds go and stop making an ass out of yourself

 

[ClaraD]

Are you really this clueless or is this an act? I choose when to take SS not so with Medicare. Cannot believe how poorly educated the left is

you decided to take both of them...it isn't automatci...but I was referring to your employer based insurance...not Medicare. If you don't want Medicare, you don't sign up for Social Security...you can opt out as well...my step father did.

 

[ClaraD]

They get federal funds but not for what you think, why don't you find out where those funds go and stop making an ass out of yourself

you said they don't receive federal funds...you do realize that fed funds are from taxpayer money right? I don't need to find out why the hospital got them...not my concern..not my concern why the schools get them either.....you however, stated they don't get federal tax payer money...at least you admit your error finally.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

I think he really believes he was paying private insurance rates...what he doesn't realize is that a group rate is deeply discounted and even with that deep discount, the employer pays part of that premium for him. A private insurance premium for me would cost around $1500 a month...just for me.

Why would insurance cost one person $1500 when, for many decades of private enterprise, it cost only a small fraction of that?

 

[Chomsky]

I don't have to quote a law, I can show you my bank account and the withdrawals. Socialized medicine when I retired?? I was forced into this program not by choice which you seem to ignore. Have a good one, this is a waste of time and has nothing to do with the OP. Your massive support for the liberal massive central govt/ defies logic and common sense

No you weren't. You are not required to sign-up for Medicare. You made that choice.

 

[Chomsky]

You are quite literally delusional if you think the taxes you paid for Medicare is for your use. You paid for Medicare recipients at the time. Right now, I am paying for your Medicare.

Exactly. The Medicaid, Medicare, and SS taxes are just that: Taxes!

No one "pays in" to SS, as the colloquial term seems to imply. Rather, you pay a tax on your income. In the case of SS, you receive benefits based upon your income - not how much you "paid in".

 

[HashBucket]

. It's not you - it's me.

Oh gawd.
That's what an ex wife said to me once.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I think he really believes he was paying private insurance rates...what he doesn't realize is that a group rate is deeply discounted and even with that deep discount, the employer pays part of that premium for him. A private insurance premium for me would cost around $1500 a month...just for me.

And the premium that I paid per month was $75.00, until the single payer universal healthcare insurance program I am covered by changed the structure of payments so that it was $0.00 per month (with the employers picking up what the employees had previously paid).

I don't have to tell you that, when it came time to negotiate new collective agreements, the employers put forth the fact that their costs had gone up and the fact that the employees' deductions had gone down in order to decrease the size of the increase in wages they might have to cough up (I don't have to tell you that because you have more than three functioning brain cells [there are others on DP that I might feel it necessary to tell it to]).

 

[ALiberalModerate]

I don't have to quote a law, I can show you my bank account and the withdrawals. Socialized medicine when I retired?? I was forced into this program not by choice which you seem to ignore. Have a good one, this is a waste of time and has nothing to do with the OP. Your massive support for the liberal massive central govt/ defies logic and common sense

Again, you have yet to answer this. If there were no Medicare and you could keep that 1.4% of your income that went to Medicare taxes, would you be able to afford subsidized health coverage in the private sector today. In this scenario, there is no Medicare. Thus you would need to go on the individual market and purchase health coverage from Humana, BCBS or another major health insurer with a network in your area. Could you afford that coverage until the day you die?

 

[Conservative]

you decided to take both of them...it isn't automatci...but I was referring to your employer based insurance...not Medicare. If you don't want Medicare, you don't sign up for Social Security...you can opt out as well...my step father did.

Signing up for SS??? Your father opted out of SS??? Is this an example of the education system that taught you?? You don't opt out of SS and why would anyone after paying 35 years into Medicare opt out of Medicare and pay for another insurance plan?? This argument of yours remains bogus showing how biased, partisan and out of touch with reality. It also has nothing to do with the thread topic

 

[Conservative]

you said they don't receive federal funds...you do realize that fed funds are from taxpayer money right? I don't need to find out why the hospital got them...not my concern..not my concern why the schools get them either.....you however, stated they don't get federal tax payer money...at least you admit your error finally.

Suggest you find out what the hospital gets in federal funds before making claims that you do. You really don't have any idea what taxes you pay or their purpose, why don't you research your state and local tax dollars and find out where they go?

 

[Conservative]

No you weren't. You are not required to sign-up for Medicare. You made that choice.

Again, I contributed for 35 years into Medicare paying for premiums I was not eligible to use and now in retirement you believe I should sign up for private insurance and forgo a return on that investment?? How typically liberal of you. Apparently the liberal ideology tells you that you being forced to contribute to SS and Medicare for your work decades and then just forget about those contributions when you retire to fund whatever it is the bureaucrats want to use the money for. That fails in all aspects of logic and common sense

 

[Conservative]

Again, you have yet to answer this. If there were no Medicare and you could keep that 1.4% of your income that went to Medicare taxes, would you be able to afford subsidized health coverage in the private sector today. In this scenario, there is no Medicare. Thus you would need to go on the individual market and purchase health coverage from Humana, BCBS or another major health insurer with a network in your area. Could you afford that coverage until the day you die?

If there was no Medicare that I was forced to contribute to or No SS that I was forced to contribute to I learned personal responsibility and would have contributed to my own retirement fund. And of course all those premiums I paid for the 35 years of service would have gone into that retirement account. I certainly could have afforded thos insurance plans starting 35 years ago. You cannot seem to grasp the reality that for 35 years I paid premiums into Medicare never using them. I am paying for a supplemental premium now therefore still not using those 35 years of premiums. Stop the left wing bull**** and think for a change. I choose who to help and you don't like it. Tough ****

 

[MTAtech]

Suggest you find out what the hospital gets in federal funds before making claims that you do. You really don't have any idea what taxes you pay or their purpose, why don't you research your state and local tax dollars and find out where they go?

All hospitals get federal funds, not only via Medicaid and Medicare patients but through ACA patients too who receive federal subsidies. In fact, Trump country rural hospitals couldn't stay open without Medicaid.
However, none of this has anything to do with the thread. You always try to hijack threads to take them to the same place -- your distain for social programs and government intervention. However, we see how Republicans don't even believe that, with a two trillion dollar bailout of the economy -- something that you argued against a decade ago as "socialist."

 

[ALiberalModerate]

If there was no Medicare that I was forced to contribute to or No SS that I was forced to contribute to I learned personal responsibility and would have contributed to my own retirement fund. And of course all those premiums I paid for the 35 years of service would have gone into that retirement account. I certainly could have afforded thos insurance plans starting 35 years ago. You cannot seem to grasp the reality that for 35 years I paid premiums into Medicare never using them. I am paying for a supplemental premium now therefore still not using those 35 years of premiums. Stop the left wing bull**** and think for a change. I choose who to help and you don't like it. Tough ****

Let's take every cent you paid into Medicare your entire working life and let's assume you put that money into an IRA and invested it into index funds that got you a 7% return on it. In 35 years of working, even if you were a high income worker the entire time, you would have a little less than $80,000 in that account.

Congratulations, you paid for health insurance premiums from age 65 to age 67. By the time you were in your late 70s, your risk to insurers would be so high that every cent you had in that IRA would go to just one year of premiums. So you would go without health insurance for the majority of your retirement. That's reality. The fact is, what you paid into Medicare was about 1.4% of your earnings each year. That isn't enough to pay for your healthcare in retirement even if you got a good return on that. Why is that hard for you to understand?

Moreover, why did the fact you had to contribute to SS mean you could not contribute to a retirement fund as well? I have been contributing to a 401k my entire adult life.

 

[ttwtt78640]

No, I don't think you do. What federal taxes fund teachers, fire departments, hospitals? What federal taxes fund state and local highways and infrastructure? What taxes fund national defense, Congress, the VA, HHS, Commerce, etc?

Waiting for why you think it is appropriate to deduct your state and local taxes from your federal return thus reducing your federal tax liabilities?

Because that is federal law. Why is using that deduction any different than using any other deduction?

 

[MTAtech]

On the actual thread topic, currently, 45 percent approve of Trump’s job on the coronavirus and 52 percent disapprove, versus 41%-48% last month. That compares to 87% of NYers Approve of Cuomo’s Handling of the Coronavirus.

 

[MTAtech]

Why is using that deduction any different than using any other deduction?

Sounds like a Passover question.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Sounds like a Passover question.

Yep, it's not easy to say that federal taxation should be reduced and then attack folks for doing just that.

 

[Termn8or]

On the actual thread topic, currently, 45 percent approve of Trump’s job on the coronavirus and 52 percent disapprove, versus 41%-48% last month. That compares to 87% of NYers Approve of Cuomo’s Handling of the Coronavirus.

And those polls are every bit as accurate as those showing Hillary Clinton with a big lead and winning the election.

Liberals just don't get it.

 

[Jay59]

Let's take every cent you paid into Medicare your entire working life and let's assume you put that money into an IRA and invested it into index funds that got you a 7% return on it. In 35 years of working, even if you were a high income worker the entire time, you would have a little less than $80,000 in that account.

Congratulations, you paid for health insurance premiums from age 65 to age 67. By the time you were in your late 70s, your risk to insurers would be so high that every cent you had in that IRA would go to just one year of premiums. So you would go without health insurance for the majority of your retirement. That's reality. The fact is, what you paid into Medicare was about 1.4% of your earnings each year. That isn't enough to pay for your healthcare in retirement even if you got a good return on that. Why is that hard for you to understand?

Math challenged? You don't get 80K after 35 years, you get close to $1 Million. Keep it stupid simple, flat inflation, median income, 6% net return. That's 1.45% x 50K = $725 contributed monthly over 35 years, yielding $995,862.88, see below. You can pay premiums forever and accumulate money.

Investment Calculator

 

[marke]

And those polls are every bit as accurate as those showing Hillary Clinton with a big lead and winning the election.

Liberals just don't get it.

Polls are a tool degenerate political partisans have traditionally used to dishonestly mold public opinion rather than accurately report public opinion.

 

[Conservative]

Because that is federal law. Why is using that deduction any different than using any other deduction?

Why? because state and local taxes fund state and local programs none of which are federal gov't problems. Living in TX and not having high state and local taxes means if itemizing we are paying more than Blue states with their high state and local taxes