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Trump again goes racist before NRA

AlbqOwl said:
No, I think I have provided plenty of support for my conclusions. You, however, have provided none to rebut my opinion.

In a previous post you said nobody has provided proof that she lied about what she was told of her family heritage. I would agree with that.

But Elizabeth Warren is a woman of considerable means--estimated net worth around $8 million. She certainly could have afforded to do a comprehensive genealogy search on her ancestry and almost certainly would have done so given all the controversy about it. I'm pretty sure some of the folks who are interested in this topic have done so. If there was anything to substantiate her claim, she almost certainly would have come forward with it by now. Or one or more of her supporters would have done so.

There is a huge difference between citing the stories you were told by your parents and grandparents and in claiming minority status for yourself. Or sticking to the story after it becomes apparent that it isn't true.
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So you also subscribe to the medieval principle of assumed guilt until proven innocent. That is regrettable.
 
haymarket said:
Of course someone on the far right would take that position since much of their very ideology embraces racism and enjoys using its weapons.
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Not really. It's just not racist. Your statement would better read, "Of course someone from the far left cannot think rationally in regards to anything that involves a pet identity group."

If you actually cared about racism, you'd call out Warren for her racism of taking advantage of programs for minorities that she's not a part of, but we know you don't actually care.
 
haymarket said:
Apparently you subscribe to a system which operates on the medieval premise of presumed guilty until proven innocent. That is beyond sad.
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How many times must this be said haymarket, she made a claim of heritage and it's been called into serious question. It's her responsibility to substantiate her claim, hence a DNA test.
 
haymarket said:
Do you understand the basic idea behind the language principles of context and usage?

If you did, you would dare never make such an absurd comparison.
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Then your entire "Trump again goes racist" screed is BS. You can't have it both ways haymarket. A supposed racial slur is a racial slur regardless how it's used.
 
hanger4 said:
How many times must this be said haymarket, she made a claim of heritage and it's been called into serious question. It's her responsibility to substantiate her claim, hence a DNA test.
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Until we get it thru our heads that Trump is a racist and Warren is a pure as the driven snow Cherokee princess who could never tell a lie.
 
WCH said:
Harvard continued the lie until 1999.
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How is it a lie if she checked a box believing it was true?

Y'all are scared stiff of her.:lamo

Smart, well educated woman with a strong work ethic must intimidate the crap out of some people.:lamo
 
year2late said:
How is it a lie if she checked a box believing it was true?

Y'all are scared stiff of her.:lamo

Smart, well educated woman with a strong work ethic must intimidate the crap out of some people.:lamo
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Because people don't just accept the fact you're a Native American because you say so. If anyone did, it was purely to diversify their staff for federal record.

Warren bitches all day about the wealthy while basking in her millions. She's a fraud in so many ways and will never be POTUS.
 
haymarket said:
So you also subscribe to the medieval principle of assumed guilt until proven innocent. That is regrettable.
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That is such an absurd assumption on your part as well as so non sequitur to anything I said that it doesn't merit any other response. Thanks for understanding.
 
hanger4 said:
How many times must this be said haymarket, she made a claim of heritage and it's been called into serious question. It's her responsibility to substantiate her claim, hence a DNA test.
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She owes you and the right wing nothing. Apparently you subscribe to a system which operates on the medieval premise of presumed guilty until proven innocent. That is beyond sad.
 
hanger4 said:
Then your entire "Trump again goes racist" screed is BS. You can't have it both ways haymarket. A supposed racial slur is a racial slur regardless how it's used.
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Please print the official rules so we can all double check your claim.
 
WCH said:
So she lied again and the Harvard paper continued it for six years.
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You have not provided any verifiable evidence for one so called LIE.
 
WCH said:
Until we get it thru our heads that Trump is a racist and Warren is a pure as the driven snow Cherokee princess who could never tell a lie.
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Now you just invoked the racist slur against Warren.
 
AlbqOwl said:
That is such an absurd assumption on your part as well as so non sequitur to anything I said that it doesn't merit any other response. Thanks for understanding.
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It was YOUR false assumption I was speaking about.
 
haymarket said:
Yes, really - it is racist.
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I'm deeply sorry you can't make any cogent point without saying racist. However, it remains that the only person that may have acted in a racist manner is Warren, who pretended to be Native American to take advantage of their programs. And, yet again, you don't care about that, proving your position to be superficial.
 
Fishking said:
I'm deeply sorry you can't make any cogent point without saying racist. However, it remains that the only person that may have acted in a racist manner is Warren, who pretended to be Native American to take advantage of their programs. And, yet again, you don't care about that, proving your position to be superficial.
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Boom! Chukka-lukka-lukka!

:blowup::bomb:
 
Fishking said:
I'm deeply sorry you can't make any cogent point without saying racist. However, it remains that the only person that may have acted in a racist manner is Warren, who pretended to be Native American to take advantage of their programs. And, yet again, you don't care about that, proving your position to be superficial.
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Gentle correction. That didn't make Warren racist. It only made her probably dishonestly opportunistic.

What is racist is attributing criticism of that or poking fun at it as being somehow racist.

As others have pointed out, it could be interpreted that by attributing a noble Native American name to Elizabeth warren is insulting Indians. I suppose that could be attributed as racist, but I think that's a real stretch in this context.
 
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Fishking said:
I'm deeply sorry you can't make any cogent point without saying racist. However, it remains that the only person that may have acted in a racist manner is Warren, who pretended to be Native American to take advantage of their programs. And, yet again, you don't care about that, proving your position to be superficial.
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I have made thousands of points in discussions without using the word RACISM or RACISM or even RACE as the points behind made had nothing to do wit hit. If you do not believe me, simply do any search of my history here, read the posts and you will see I am correct.
 
haymarket said:
She owes you and the right wing nothing. Apparently you subscribe to a system which operates on the medieval premise of presumed guilty until proven innocent. That is beyond sad.
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You've been reduced to repeating refuted points, so nevermind.
 
WCH said:
You have no provided any that she didn't.
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Somebody who has been around as long as you knows damn well you cannot prove a negative, especially when I have no access to any of the particulars - nor do you or anyone else.

It is quite frankly - ABSURD - that you would resort to such a fallacious argument which is so easily exposed.
 
WCH said:
There's something wrong with you.
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Being a mortal, there is lots about me that is wrong. But my debate tactics on this issue are not one of them.

Demanding that people prove their claims of LIAR is what I have been doing here. And that is the way it is suppose to be in this country where a person is not judged guilty of an allegation and forced to prove their innocence. Particularly to their political opponents when the allegation is politically based.
 
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