Trump again goes racist before NRA

[hanger4]

Please print the official rules so we can all double check your claim.

Why ?? You don't seem to think Warren should substantiate her claims, so you have no credibility asking others too.

 

[haymarket]

You've been reduced to repeating refuted points, so nevermind.

Refuted points? Like what? I have asked over and over and over and over agains for verifiable evidence that Warren LIED when she related family lore that was told to her and not one person can produce such evidence.

 

[Jack Hays]

Refuted points? Like what? I have asked over and over and over and over agains for verifiable evidence that Warren LIED when she related family lore that was told to her and not one person can produce such evidence.

The only evidence of "lore" is her claim. That cannot be a defense.

 

[haymarket]

Why ?? You don't seem to think Warren should substantiate her claims, so you have no credibility asking others too.

Do you know what a fallacy is? You just engaged in one. The issue is NOT if Warren has proved her story about family lore being told to her. The issue is the claim of LIAR that some of the political far right have alleged about her.

 

[haymarket]

The only evidence of "lore" is her claim. That cannot be a defense.

Can you reprint the official rules about family lore of their ancestry so we can all be on the same page about what can and what cannot be used?

 

[ttwtt78640]

Refuted points? Like what? I have asked over and over and over and over agains for verifiable evidence that Warren LIED when she related family lore that was told to her and not one person can produce such evidence.

Since when is hearsay evidence that must be refuted? Asking us to prove a negative is surely fun but hardly logical.

 

[Jack Hays]

Can you reprint the official rules about family lore of their ancestry so we can all be on the same page about what can and what cannot be used?

You have missed the point. There is no evidence beyond her claim that such "lore" existed. The claim of "lore" could very well be just another lie to cover her first lie.

 

[hanger4]

Refuted points? Like what? I have asked over and over and over and over agains for verifiable evidence that Warren LIED when she related family lore that was told to her and not one person can produce such evidence.

And you've been told over and over again her claims were called into question by both left and right. She's refused to set the record straight.

 

[haymarket]

Since when is hearsay evidence that must be refuted? Asking us to prove a negative is surely fun but hardly logical.

The information that was passed from one generation to another in the Warren family is NOT A NEGATIVE. It is no different that information about family lore that is passed on in millions upon millions upon millions of families throughout American history.

 

[haymarket]

And you've been told over and over again her claims were called into question by both left and right. She's refused to set the record straight.

She owes NOTHING to anybody about proving or disproving political attacks made against her by political figures.

 

[haymarket]

You have missed the point. There is no evidence beyond her claim that such "lore" existed. The claim of "lore" could very well be just another lie to cover her first lie.

Again, this is just another way of saying Warren is a LIAR. And neither you nor anyone else has offered any evidence to prove that charge.

And that is the point.

 

[ttwtt78640]

The information that was passed from one generation to another in the Warren family is NOT A NEGATIVE. It is no different that information about family lore that is passed on in millions upon millions upon millions of families throughout American history.

You asked to prove that hearsay allegedly passed along for generations was false. If I assert that I was told by my ancestor that your ancestor told them that I could have their estate on my 18th birthday would you just accept that?

 

[hanger4]

She owes NOTHING to anybody about proving or disproving political attacks made against her by political figures.

You're right she owes nobody anything. She can just let her baggage pile up when she has it within her power to put it all to rest.

If she runs in 2020 for the Dem nomination this baggage looms large. Hillary 3.0 as it were. LOL

 

[haymarket]

You asked to prove that hearsay allegedly passed along for generations was false. If I assert that I was told by my ancestor that your ancestor told them that I could have their estate on my 18th birthday would you just accept that?

Which would set up conflicting property claims which would be a legal matter. There is no conflicting claims of property in the Warren case. Her claim about her family ancestry effects neither you nor I nor anyone else and is irrelevant to our lives.

 

[haymarket]

You're right she owes nobody anything. She can just let her baggage pile up when she has it within her power to put it all to rest.

If she runs in 2020 for the Dem nomination this baggage looms large. Hillary 3.0 as it were. LOL

If the far right wing thinks they can make an issue out of this - no doubt they will pursue it. And expose themselves as racists in the process if they continue the use of the Indian nicknames as a pejorative. Which will most likely not deter them nor bother them and in the far right wing being a racist is somewhat of a badge of honor.

You want to associate yourself and your politics with such scum? - thats your decision.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Which would set up conflicting property claims which would be a legal matter. There is no conflicting claims of property in the Warren case. Her claim about her family ancestry effects neither you nor I nor anyone else and is irrelevant to our lives.

So race or ethnicity are simply subjective matters of no import and thus have never been used to make law or policy?

 

[haymarket]

So race or ethnicity are simply subjective matters of no import and thus have never been used to make law or policy?

If that is your opinion - you have a right to it. But that is your opinion.

 

[hanger4]

If the far right wing thinks they can make an issue out of this - no doubt they will pursue it. And expose themselves as racists in the process if they continue the use of the Indian nicknames as a pejorative. Which will most likely not deter them nor bother them and in the far right wing being a racist is somewhat of a badge of honor.

You want to associate yourself and your politics with such scum? - thats your decision.

It's already an issue and will stay an issue until Warren decides to clear it up.

"It was an issue she assiduously evaded during the 2012 campaign, other than to have her staff accuse people who exposed the truth (like me), of being “right wing extremists.”

"Here is the truth. Liz Warren has no Native American ancestry. A Cherokee genealogist studied all her family lines, and there is no Indian history."

"The so-called 1/32 Cherokee blood was a false claim, and now is an urban myth."

"The fact is that, while there may have been some rumors or stories in her family, Warren never lived as an Indian, never embraced that identity, never helped Indians or associated with them, and didn’t even claim Indian status when she registered with the Senate. The only time in her life that Warren fully embraced her supposed Native American identity was in a law professor directory used for hiring purposes when she was in her mid-30s and starting to climb the law school ladder, eventually landing at Harvard Law School."

Elizabeth Warren?s Cherokee Problem is back

 

[Jack Hays]

Again, this is just another way of saying Warren is a LIAR. And neither you nor anyone else has offered any evidence to prove that charge.

And that is the point.

She made a claim for which there is not the slightest bit of evidence. And then she offered an explanation of her claim, and there's not the slightest bit of evidence for her explanation, either. Fauxcahontas, indeed.

 

[haymarket]

She made a claim for which there is not the slightest bit of evidence. And then she offered an explanation of her claim, and there's not the slightest bit of evidence for her explanation, either. Fauxcahontas, indeed.

So you join Trump in the racist nicknames. That does NOT serve your cause well.

 

[haymarket]

It's already an issue and will stay an issue until Warren decides to clear it up.

Much of the right wing is racist in nature and practice and they have a particular bug up their butt about the entire issue. This is one of those dog whistles that screams loud and clear to the far right and means nothing to the vast majority of people because race is no big thing with them.

 

[hanger4]

Much of the right wing is racist in nature and practice and they have a particular bug up their butt about the entire issue. This is one of those dog whistles that screams loud and clear to the far right and means nothing to the vast majority of people because race is no big thing with them.

Moving goal posts

 

[akyron]

Advancement of the truth is always appropriate.

I am happy for you to be trying something new. Welcome to the other side.

 

[Casca XV]

Donald Trump got where he is today by demonizing his opponents with names - even if it meant going ugly. Today, before the NRA, Trump got in a racist cheap shot using the far right wing racist nickname of POCAHONTAS for Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts.

I guess Trump and the far right have already determined who the opponent will be, should be be around in 2020 to run for a second term.

Bill Maher called Warren that to her face. But you are right Trump should have used the term "Fakahontas."

 

[Slingshot Bob]

Much of the right wing is racist in nature and practice and they have a particular bug up their butt about the entire issue. This is one of those dog whistles that screams loud and clear to the far right and means nothing to the vast majority of people because race is no big thing with them.

Assuming you are left, just lol