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Trump administration reportedly drafting rules to target immigrants who use food stamps

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A new proposal being drafted by the Trump administration would reportedly allow immigration officials to consider an immigrants’ use of government programmes when deciding whether or not to grant them permanent status.

The draft rule, seen by Reuters, is a sharp departure from current US law, which prevents immigration officials from taking immigrants’ use of public benefits like food assistance and health insurance subsidies into account when reviewing their application. The rule would not apply to permanent residents seeking citizenship, but would affect the hundreds of thousands of immigrants who apply for permanent status in the US each year.

The proposed rules, drafted by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), argue that legal immigrants who use public programmes are a burden on the state.

“Non-citizens who receive public benefits are not self-sufficient and are relying on the US government and state and local entities for resources instead of their families, sponsors or private organisations,” the document states, according to Reuters.

It continues: “An alien’s receipt of public benefits comes at taxpayer expense and availability of public benefits may provide an incentive for aliens to immigrate to the United States.”
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-reportedly-drafting-rules-215348342.html
 
dobieg said:
More Trump winning.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-reportedly-drafting-rules-215348342.html
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You realize that you're being worked by those above you to point fingers at those below you. The entire budget for SNAP was 70.9 B in 2016

Meanwhile the CBO estimates the GOP tax bill will add 1.4 T to the deficit by 2027.

Better make sure we shove off those damned foreigners before they get the chance to make it in America, though. Who in tarnation would come here without already owning a Range Rover to store their giant bags of groceries that they paid for with our 'Murican dollars? Who?
 
Winston said:
You realize that you're being worked by those above you to point fingers at those below you. The entire budget for SNAP was 70.9 B in 2016

Meanwhile the CBO estimates the GOP tax bill will add 1.4 T to the deficit by 2027.

Better make sure we shove off those damned foreigners before they get the chance to make it in America, though. Who in tarnation would come here without already owning a Range Rover to store their giant bags of groceries that they paid for with our 'Murican dollars? Who?
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Ahhh so you admit you want to give immigrants welfare paid for by the American taxpayer.
 
I don't have a problem with this.
If a legal immigrant wants permanent status they should not be on food stamps.

I have a feeling the numbers will be miniscule at best.
 
I don’t have a problem with this being one of the factors they look at in determining whether or not to grant permanent resident status.
 
Winston said:
You realize that you're being worked by those above you to point fingers at those below you. The entire budget for SNAP was 70.9 B in 2016

Meanwhile the CBO estimates the GOP tax bill will add 1.4 T to the deficit by 2027.

Better make sure we shove off those damned foreigners before they get the chance to make it in America, though. Who in tarnation would come here without already owning a Range Rover to store their giant bags of groceries that they paid for with our 'Murican dollars? Who?
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Funny, that is around the cost of what Illegal Immigration is over the course of 7-10 years.

Oh yes, every immigrant is the next Steve Jobs meme, LOL. Keep pushing it, no one really believes your lies anymore.
 
HOw much people could we feed for 165 billion that is going to the military? Killing brown people and making them starve across the world is more important than feeding people in this country.

Republicans are complete and utter scumbags, and the people that continue to support them are showing the country what they are as well
 
PhysicalRemoval said:
Funny, that is around the cost of what Illegal Immigration is over the course of 7-10 years.

Oh yes, every immigrant is the next Steve Jobs meme, LOL. Keep pushing it, no one really believes your lies anymore.
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Okay, so where do you get your information from? I'm under the impression that illegal immigrants are a net positive to the economy. For example, they pay payroll taxes and never receive the benefits.

Also good to get your true intentions above board. Just so we're clear. I think libertarians are a bunch of liars as well.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
HOw much people could we feed for 165 billion that is going to the military? Killing brown people and making them starve across the world is more important than feeding people in this country.

Republicans are complete and utter scumbags, and the people that continue to support them are showing the country what they are as well
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What? "Killing brown people?"

Where do you come up with such things?

This is just a little incentive for people (immigrants) to earn their own way. That's what they immigrated here for, right? To take part in the American Dream? That means supporting oneself and their family.

The draft (we don't even know if it's true) didn't say anything about taking food or services away from them -- it just said that making use of the services could negatively impact their applications for final citizenship.

No one is going to starve.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
HOw much people could we feed for 165 billion that is going to the military? Killing brown people and making them starve across the world is more important than feeding people in this country.

Republicans are complete and utter scumbags, and the people that continue to support them are showing the country what they are as well
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Not our job to "feed the world" more over all it does it breed more dependents people until a Malthusian collapse.

Winston said:
Okay, so where do you get your information from? I'm under the impression that illegal immigrants are a net positive to the economy.[
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Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY

If you pay in ONE dollar, but take out 8, How much have you paid in? -7 Dollars.

Your "Impression" is a lie, sold by people who want "Cheap" labor (its not cheap, its subsided by you) and by people want to import voters.


For example, they pay payroll taxes and never receive the benefits.
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Oh, that is just too funny. If you are paid in cash, how are you paying your payroll tax? You are not.

And they clearly receive welfare.

Cashing in: Illegal immigrants get $1,261 more welfare than American families, $5,692 vs. $4,431

https://fairus.org/issue/publicatio...n-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers



Also good to get your true intentions above board. Just so we're clear. I think libertarians are a bunch of liars as well.
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Really? That is funny coming from what your side believes, which as the above shows is just not true.
 
Winston said:
You realize that you're being worked by those above you to point fingers at those below you. The entire budget for SNAP was 70.9 B in 2016

Meanwhile the CBO estimates the GOP tax bill will add 1.4 T to the deficit by 2027.

Better make sure we shove off those damned foreigners before they get the chance to make it in America, though. Who in tarnation would come here without already owning a Range Rover to store their giant bags of groceries that they paid for with our 'Murican dollars? Who?
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First of all, that CBO estimate is what they call an estimate and the CBO is know to be off by oodles, more than once. Second of all, the two have nothing to do with each other. We shouldn't be the sugar daddy for the world's poor. If they want to come to the US then they should be able to take care of themselves without government assistance.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
HOw much people could we feed for 165 billion that is going to the military? Killing brown people and making them starve across the world is more important than feeding people in this country.

Republicans are complete and utter scumbags, and the people that continue to support them are showing the country what they are as well
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We are not the world's sugar daddy for the poor.
 
Mycroft said:
If immigrants want a free ride...at taxpayer expense...I suggest they go to Canada or the EU. The free ride is over in the US.

If they want to pay their own way, contribute positively to society...then they are welcome.
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Even Mexico is deporting Central Americans because they are not wanted there.
 
PhysicalRemoval said:
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY
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You accuse me of bias and then link to the Washington Examiner, a conservative outfit, utilizing loaded language to appeal to the emotions of a conservative audience.

If you pay in ONE dollar, but take out 8, How much have you paid in? -7 Dollars.

Your "Impression" is a lie, sold by people who want "Cheap" labor (its not cheap, its subsided by you) and by people want to import voters.
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It looks like your first Washington Examiner article stands on a FAIR study. FAIR is a non-profit that explicitly states it aims to reduce both legal and illegal immigration. FAIR has been accused of being a hate group. So, FAIR published a study fearmongering immigrants, when they have the stated goal of reducing immigration on their website? Color me shocked. Did the Heritage Foundation recently publish a study showing how great Tax Cuts work?

wiki said:
The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) currently classifies FAIR as a hate group, citing the white supremacist beliefs of its founder. In 1982, John Tanton wrote "As Whites see their power and control over their lives declining, will they simply go quietly into the night? Or will there be an explosion."[15] Later, in a 1993 memo to another board member, Tanton said that "Projections by the U.S. Census Bureau show that midway into the next century, the current European-American majority will become a minority … This is unacceptable; we decline to bequeath to our children minority status in their own land." These statements among other documents led the SPLC to believe that the true intent of Tanton's anti-immigration advocacy was to "to limit the number of nonwhites living in the U.S.", hence the classification as a hate group.
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Oh, that is just too funny. If you are paid in cash, how are you paying your payroll tax? You are not.
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Your stereotypes are showing. Every illegal I've ever worked with was on the payroll.

And they clearly receive welfare.
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Cashing in: Illegal immigrants get $1,261 more welfare than American families, $5,692 vs. $4,431

https://fairus.org/issue/publicatio...n-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers

The article lumps in legal immigrants on welfare with illegal immigrants, to appeal to your emotions. They are distorting the facts to make people believe that illegal immigrants are disproportionately bleeding the tax-payer. Also, people who are on welfare are not undesirable people.

The dream of the immigrant is for the children. Some first generation immigrants could be on some sort of assistance while they are raising a family. I see no problem with that. Especially considering it is basically an investment in a productive citizen. Because it's all about the children to them. They moved here so their children can have a fair shot at making it in the world. And that bears out here:

  • All immigrant groups, including those whose members typically arrive in the United States with low levels of education, show strong intergenerational progress on educational attainment, and second-generation Americans from most groups meet or exceed the education levels attained by the children of native-born Americans.
  • The children of college-educated immigrants tend to perform exceptionally well in the higher education, achieving graduate degrees and occupying top-tier occupations at higher rates than children of native-born Americans.

Pew Research also shows that despite a conservative narrative, newly arrived immigrants are more likely to be college educated than American born citizens.

Also I find your Washington Examiner reporting incomplete, based upon the fact that immigrants are twice as likely to own and start a business.

Aren't conservatives pro-business, pro-economy? In order to grow the economy you need a growing, industrious population. Which immigration ignites both.
 
This is what other countries do.

Canada and mexico both have income requirements for immigrants or people wanting to migrate to their countries.
in fact you have to prove that you have the skills to get a job and you are not going to be a burden on the rest of society.

there is nothing unusual about this.
 
PhysicalRemoval said:
Not our job to "feed the world" more over all it does it breed more dependents people until a Malthusian collapse.




Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY

If you pay in ONE dollar, but take out 8, How much have you paid in? -7 Dollars.

Your "Impression" is a lie, sold by people who want "Cheap" labor (its not cheap, its subsided by you) and by people want to import voters.




Oh, that is just too funny. If you are paid in cash, how are you paying your payroll tax? You are not.

And they clearly receive welfare.

Cashing in: Illegal immigrants get $1,261 more welfare than American families, $5,692 vs. $4,431

https://fairus.org/issue/publicatio...n-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers





Really? That is funny coming from what your side believes, which as the above shows is just not true.
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Undocumented Immigrants receive few social benefits, and SNAP recipients are primarily for undocumented children http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

The biggest benefits that undocumented immigrants receive is through public education, and fire and police
Donald Trump says illegal immigration costs $113 billion a year | PolitiFact

Trump is fear mongering. The costs of these programs from undocumented immigrants is paltry, and primarily goes to families with children who are DREAM or DACA eligible
 
Winston said:
You accuse me of bias and then link to the Washington Examiner, a conservative outfit, utilizing loaded language to appeal to the emotions of a conservative audience.



It looks like your first Washington Examiner article stands on a FAIR study. FAIR is a non-profit that explicitly states it aims to reduce both legal and illegal immigration. FAIR has been accused of being a hate group. So, FAIR published a study fearmongering immigrants, when they have the stated goal of reducing immigration on their website? Color me shocked. Did the Heritage Foundation recently publish a study showing how great Tax Cuts work?
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So you can not attack the facts, just the source, Great to see you have no arguments.


Your stereotypes are showing. Every illegal I've ever worked with was on the payroll.



Cashing in: Illegal immigrants get $1,261 more welfare than American families, $5,692 vs. $4,431

https://fairus.org/issue/publicatio...n-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers

The article lumps in legal immigrants on welfare with illegal immigrants, to appeal to your emotions. They are distorting the facts to make people believe that illegal immigrants are disproportionately bleeding the tax-payer. Also, people who are on welfare are not undesirable people.
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Wrong, people coming here who can not support themselves are highly undesirable, your side wants them as voters.

The dream of the immigrant is for the children. Some first generation immigrants could be on some sort of assistance while they are raising a family. I see no problem with that. Especially considering it is basically an investment in a productive citizen. Because it's all about the children to them. They moved here so their children can have a fair shot at making it in the world. And that bears out here:




  • All immigrant groups, including those whose members typically arrive in the United States with low levels of education, show strong intergenerational progress on educational attainment, and second-generation Americans from most groups meet or exceed the education levels attained by the children of native-born Americans.
  • The children of college-educated immigrants tend to perform exceptionally well in the higher education, achieving graduate degrees and occupying top-tier occupations at higher rates than children of native-born Americans.

Pew Research also shows that despite a conservative narrative, newly arrived immigrants are more likely to be college educated than American born citizens.

Also I find your Washington Examiner reporting incomplete, based upon the fact that immigrants are twice as likely to own and start a business.

Aren't conservatives pro-business, pro-economy? In order to grow the economy you need a growing, industrious population. Which immigration ignites both.
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Of course they do, preferential treatment of college applications.

Entrepreneurship
Immigrants and natives have very similar rates of entrepreneurship — 12.4 percent of immigrants are self-employed either full- or part-time, as are 12.8 percent of natives.

Most of the businesses operated by immigrants and natives tend to be small. In 2015, only 16 percent of immigrant-owned businesses had more than 10 employees, as did 19 percent of native-owned businesses.

https://cis.org/Report/Immigrants-United-States

So long as it benefits Americas, not a small elite with their imported coolies.

No..If you know anything about GDP per captia you would know that immigration makes everyone poorer as it reduces wages, increases costs of living.








http://www.nber.org/papers/w23077

Machines>Immigrants, never mind they do not drive up costs, burden welfare/taxpayer services and do not chance the make up of the nation/voter rolls.

Which is why your side always pushes immigration.

https://nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2018/01/23/americans-want-less-immigration/

More signs you are losing. I know its upsetting your lies are expose and Americans are securing the future, but its just the way things work.
 
ludin said:
This is what other countries do.

Canada and mexico both have income requirements for immigrants or people wanting to migrate to their countries.
in fact you have to prove that you have the skills to get a job and you are not going to be a burden on the rest of society.

there is nothing unusual about this.
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Its only unusual because leftists are so use to getting their way after screaming and name calling.
 
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