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[uptower]

 

[CLAX1911]

Do you actually believe these misrepresentations of facts you passionately post?

Usaid was never foreign aid that's a fact. Yes I believe facts even if you call them whatever you want to deny it.

 

[CLAX1911]

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[Nickyjo]

Sure it does. Because if secession was legitimate, then the North went to War against the South illegally. The 10th Amendment. The North was already traitor to the Constitution in refusing to accept the Dred Scott decision by the Supreme Court. And then helping fund the murderer John Brown to attack Virginia at Harpers Ferry.

Yeah, silly northerners singing “John Brown’s Body” as they marched.

You probably would have hated the movie Spartacus, til the end when the slaves were crucified. Do you have a picture of John Wilkes Booth hanging in your house?

The 'no trial'of Jeff Davis proves the North didn't want to be labeled as the real traitor.

Lees

Is yours a campaign to bring back slavery? Juneteenth is next month. Why not start your campaign then? And if I remember correctly, the South started the war by firing on Fort Sumter.

But tell me, if the South was justified in seceding and fighting a war to preserve slavery, was Nat Turner justified in his rebellion as well?

 

[Xilnik]

Usaid was never foreign aid that's a fact. Yes I believe facts even if you call them whatever you want to deny it.

As usual, you make bold claims out of left field that don't hold up in reality. USAID is explicitly a foreign aid agency; its name literally stands for the United States Agency for International Development. Its funding goes toward humanitarian assistance, disaster relief, health programs, and economic development abroad. It has provided assistance with global HIV/AIDS treatment, food security programs, and emergency assistance for natural disasters.

 

[CLAX1911]

As usual, you make bold claims out of left field that don't hold up in reality.

My claims were that reality is reality what are you talking about?

USAID is explicitly a foreign aid agency;

Foreign influence agency. It's about indoctrinating people to think America is good.

its name literally stands for the United States Agency for International Development.

Its funding goes toward humanitarian assistance, disaster relief, health programs, and economic development abroad.

Well there is the red cross IFRC And DERF. We can dismantle USAID and fund these things. Without the weird foreign influence crap also likely billions laundered

It has provided assistance with global HIV/AIDS treatment, food security programs, and emergency assistance for natural disasters.

So dismantle USAID and the hidden laundering and put the money in PEPFAR an organization that funds HIV/AIDS relief. And not the creepy propaganda crap both foreign and domestic.

Usaid is pointless. Everything you've credited them with is handled better by others.

 

[Nickyjo]

My claims were that reality is reality what are you talking about?

Foreign influence agency. It's about indoctrinating people to think America is good.

Indoctrinating? What’s wrong with medical and other assistance. Our military presence in hundreds of bases tells people we are an empire, often willing to crush movements we don’t like. USAID is a bit of an antidote to that.

Well there is the red cross IFRC And DERF. We can dismantle USAID and fund these things. Without the weird foreign influence crap also likely billions laundered

So dismantle USAID and the hidden laundering and put the money in PEPFAR an organization that funds HIV/AIDS relief. And not the creepy propaganda crap both foreign and domestic.

Usaid is pointless. Everything you've credited them with is handled better by others.

And your proof of this is…? If USAID has problems, fix them, or replace the agency. Somehow I don’t think that was Trump’s or Musk’s intent. Musk left kids to die as sure as if he killed then with his chainsaw.

 

[CLAX1911]

Indoctrinating? What’s wrong with medical and other assistance.

There are already many organizations that do that without the credit indoctrination

Our military presence in hundreds of bases tells people we are an empire, often willing to crush movements we don’t like. USAID is a bit of an antidote to that.

It would have never existed if it was.

And your proof of this is…? If USAID has problems, fix them, or replace the agency. Somehow I don’t think that was Trump’s or Musk’s intent. Musk left kids to die as sure as if he killed then with his chainsaw.

If doesn't need replacing. List the kids that died.

 

[Tangmo]

They had the chance to try Jeff Davis before a real court of law, not a military tribunal. They balked. Why? They feared he would be found not guilty. They feared the blame of 800,000 lives would lay at the feet of the North...as it should. Go away Jeff Davis, and we will pretend it never happened.

Your buddy "Jeff Davis" aka Jefferson Davis the racist fascist actively renounced his citizenship.

Given only a citizen could be tried for treason Davis was not tried for treason. He was not tried at all which was a big error. An error is when you don't know you've made a mistake. An error is when the Union has no clue that a cancer metastasizes into what we have in the present time. The Union should have foreseen the bad times ahead in the South that did occur and persist into the present and expanded nationwide.

All of 'em should have been shot at sunrise and hanged at sundown. The Mr. Nice Guy Union post civil war blew it as we know since but as we reflect and analyze today especially. Virtually all the Confederacy lovers also love Putin and Russia in the present time.

 

[Lees]

I imagine that slaves couldn’t have cared less about a Constitution that declared them to be 3/5ths human. But how was the South not given its protections under the Constitution? Did they show their reverence for the Constitution while not prosecuting lynch mobs, maintaining segregation, denying Blacks the vote for generations?

Your post remind me of the old saying, “Save your Confederate money boys, the South will rise again.!”

The South was not given it's protections under the Constitution in that the North would not enforce the Fugitive Slave Law in the Constitution. The North allowed the underground railroad to exist which was illegal. The North allowed murderer John Brown to walk free in the North knowing he was wanted for the murder of 5 Southern sympathizers in Kansas. The North allowed John Brown to meet with politicians and big money men in the North that would help fund his attaack on the South at Harpers Ferry. The North boasted that the Constitutional question of slavery would be settled for good in the Dred Scott decision. But when it didn't go their way, they created laws to circumvent the Supreme Court decision. And even before the Dred Scott decision, Horace Greeley, an influential newpaper reporter, considered the Constitution a covenant with death and hell. Which he constantly voiced in his articles. etc. etc. etc.

Lees

 

[Tangmo]

Just keep breathing that smoke they blow up your backside.

Your posts are at the same margin of society as always.

Trump spends no time any more on the Confederacy. Not since his training wheels presidency in which he briefly dabbled in the Confederacy but not since and I dare say, never any more.

Your posts are alone and isolated in their own personal Lost Cause revisited to include your very old and worn down stuff about the North causing and starting the civil war. Nobody else anywhere around is hot on this dusty trail of bones other than you.

 

[Lees]

You mean the man that freed the Southern slaves and laid the foundation for the freedom of Northern slaves?

That Lincoln?

No that's the yankee mythological Lincoln. The one that never existed.

I'm talking about the real Lincoln, who never freed any slave and was willing to enslave the negros forever if the South wouldn't secede. The original 13th Amendment known as the Corwin Amendement. What a man. So, why is the Lincoln Memorial not being removed?

Lees

 

[Lees]

But it's not. Texas v. White, 1869.

Yes, it is. See post #(738) concerning the 10th Amendment.

Texas vs White did not settle the secession question. Secession has never been argued before the Supreme Court. It no doubt would have been in the trial of Jeff Davis, but we already have seen how that went.

Lees

 

[Lees]

Your buddy "Jeff Davis" aka Jefferson Davis the racist fascist actively renounced his citizenship.

Given only a citizen could be tried for treason Davis was not tried for treason. He was not tried at all which was a big error. An error is when you don't know you've made a mistake. An error is when the Union has no clue that a cancer metastasizes into what we have in the present time. The Union should have foreseen the bad times ahead in the South that did occur and persist into the present and expanded nationwide.

All of 'em should have been shot at sunrise and hanged at sundown. The Mr. Nice Guy Union post civil war blew it as we know since but as we reflect and analyze today especially. Virtually all the Confederacy lovers also love Putin and Russia in the present time.

No, the North would not recognize the secession of the Southern States. Which is why they would have tried him for treason. The reason they did not try him for treason is they feared the verdict of not guilty. Making the North guilty before the whole world of the 800,000 lives lost in that war. To say nothing of the destruction. They couldn't have that.

Lees

 

[Tangmo]

Yes, it is. See post #(738) concerning the 10th Amendment.

Texas vs White did not settle the secession question. Secession has never been argued before the Supreme Court. It no doubt would have been in the trial of Jeff Davis, but we already have seen how that went.

Your dear bud "Jeff Davis" aka Jefferson Davis the hard core racist renounced his citizenship of the USA which meant he could not be tried for treason. This is why he was not tried, and also not tried anyway for anything. Indeed, the legal and Constitutional issues were complex and complicated and sometimes confounding, which is why you can play with them as you do in your Lost Cause posts that go nowhere.

 

[Tangmo]

No, the North would not recognize the secession of the Southern States. Which is why they would have tried him for treason. The reason they did not try him for treason is they feared the verdict of not guilty. Making the North guilty before the whole world of the 800,000 lives lost in that war. To say nothing of the destruction. They couldn't have that.

Your bud "Jeff Davis" renounced his citizenship in the USA which meant the victorious Union could not try him for treason.

Only citizens can be tried for treason and your bud "Jeff Davis" renounced his citizenship.

So now I'm afraid your Oppositional Syndrome opposes every thing anybody says that is fact and accepted as fact. Indeed, your posts have no case to make that Davis remained a citizen when his state of Mississippi seceded from the Union and he renounced his citizenship of the United States of America.

 

[Lees]

Your dear bud "Jeff Davis" aka Jefferson Davis the hard core racist renounced his citizenship of the USA which meant he could not be tried for treason. This is why he was not tried, and also not tried anyway for anything. Indeed, the legal and Constitutional issues were complex and complicated and sometimes confounding, which is why you can play with them as you do in your Lost Cause posts that go nowhere.

From: (Secession On Trial, Cynthia Nicoletti, Cambridge University Press, 2017) no page #. The first page in opening the book.

"The post-Civil War treason prosecution of Confederate president Jefferson Davis (1865-1869) was seen as a test case on the major constitutional question that animated the Civil War: the constitutionality of secession. The case never went to trial, however, because it threatened to undercut the meaning and significance of Union victory."

Lees

 

[Lees]

Your bud "Jeff Davis" renounced his citizenship in the USA which meant the victorious Union could not try him for treason.

Only citizens can be tried for treason and your bud "Jeff Davis" renounced his citizenship.

So now I'm afraid your Oppositional Syndrome opposes every thing anybody says that is fact and accepted as fact. Indeed, your posts have no case to make that Davis remained a citizen when his state of Mississippi seceded from the Union and he renounced his citizenship of the United States of America.

You're not paying attention. The North did not recognize the secession. Thus the North considered Davis guilty of treason. And they wanted to try him and hang him for it. They backed off fearing he would be found not guilty...making them guilty.

Lees

 

[Tangmo]

From: (Secession On Trial, Cynthia Nicoletti, Cambridge University Press, 2017) no page #. The first page in opening the book.

"The post-Civil War treason prosecution of Confederate president Jefferson Davis (1865-1869) was seen as a test case on the major constitutional question that animated the Civil War: the constitutionality of secession. The case never went to trial, however, because it threatened to undercut the meaning and significance of Union victory."

The Big Deal is whether a jury in Mississippi would convict your Mississippi chum "Jeff Davis" of treason.

A treason trial must be held in the locality where the offense occurred, which in the case of your chum "Jeff Davis" is in Mississippi that had seceded from the Union. Even to now Jefferson Davis is revered in Mississippi...


We see the lawyers on both sides, members of Congress, and newspaper editors demanding prosecution—but this is in the context of a story about how legal doctrine and the realities of jury selection shaped the prosecution of Jefferson Davis. There was concern over whether a jury selected from southern states would convict him. In the civil courts a treason trial must take place in the locality where the offense occurred. And the United States officials worried that Davis's argument about secession might carry the day.

Project MUSE - <i>Secession on Trial: The Treason Prosecution of Jefferson Davis</i> by Cynthia Nicoletti (review)

muse.jhu.edu

We're talking about a jury in Mississippi. For Jefferson Davis in his home county. And treason. So yeah, that would have undermined everything the Union was doing and about. An acquitted Davis would have been the conquering hero hailed throughout the South.


You can try this again later of course.

 

[SavannahMann]

Not because you say I am wrong.

Here is the 10th Amendment. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

When it says, 'powers not delegated', what does that mean? It means some powers were delegated. Correct? And the other powers not delegated remain with the States.

Where was the power of secession delegated to the U.S.?

And, all powers 'delegated' can be resumed. That's what 'delegated' means. Delegated does not mean surrendered. It means delegated. And that which has been delegated can be resumed.

And, the resumpition of those powers delegated, means all powers go back to the State. Which in turn means, the State that resumes those powers is no longer part of the United States.

Also called 'secession'.

Lees

It isn’t us saying you are wrong. It’s the Supreme Court.

 

[Tangmo]

You're not paying attention. The North did not recognize the secession. Thus the North considered Davis guilty of treason. And they wanted to try him and hang him for it. They backed off fearing he would be found not guilty...making them guilty.

There are legal and Constitutional arguments that Lincoln exercising his powers and authority as commander in chief did recognize secession as legal and Constitutional.


Ultimately, the most important argument against a treason conviction was that Davis could not commit treason against a nation without being a citizen of that nation. He argued that when Mississippi left the Union it took his citizenship with her. Moreover, when Mississippi and ten other states formed a new Confederacy, they demonstrated that they were not merely a disordered group of insurrectionists. They had created a new nation via secession. When Lincoln imposed a blockade under the terms of the 1856 Paris Treaty, he was indirectly recognizing the Confederacy as an independent nation. Finally, the Southern state secession ordinances and the Confederate constitution self-proclaimed their sovereignty from the beginning. By warring with the Confederacy as a nation, instead of an insurgency group, Lincoln was validating secession as legitimate.

Was Jefferson Davis a Traitor? – Abbeville Institute

www.abbevilleinstitute.org

Whether or not this is accurate, and I do not accept its view of Lincoln's actions, Davis renouncing his citizenship made treason an inapplicable charge against him in a Union court of law. Davis was a non citizen waging war against the Union.

There are long discussed arguments all over the place about everything that was the civil war. They are legally and Constitutionally disputed, complex, complicated and even confounding.

I'll continue to hang my hat on the Supreme Court finding secession unconstitutional in Texas v White that your contrarian assertions will never accept. Indeed, you have a contrarian and denial list of fantasies that are also invalid one after the other. Your whiffle ball rightwing posts do not change anything that 140 or so years have made dormant.

 

[Xilnik]

My claims were that reality is reality what are you talking about?

Foreign influence agency. It's about indoctrinating people to think America is good.



Well there is the red cross IFRC And DERF. We can dismantle USAID and fund these things. Without the weird foreign influence crap also likely billions laundered

So dismantle USAID and the hidden laundering and put the money in PEPFAR an organization that funds HIV/AIDS relief. And not the creepy propaganda crap both foreign and domestic.

Usaid is pointless. Everything you've credited them with is handled better by others.

USAID plays a vital role in providing aid to unstable regions, focusing on places where organizations like the Red Cross or PEPFAR often struggle to operate directly. Rather than competing with these groups, USAID often works alongside them to expand humanitarian efforts.

USAID undergoes strict audits and congressional oversight, ensuring transparency and accountability which is something independent organizations may not always be subject to. While all humanitarian efforts inevitably shape perceptions, that doesn’t mean their mission is purely political. Even Doctors Without Borders influences global views, but no one claims they exist solely for foreign influence.

Dismantling USAID wouldn't eliminate corruption; it would simply shift aid distribution to less regulated groups, potentially reducing effectiveness and accountability.

I get why you might believe USAID has committed fraud, especially with the way members of the DOGE misrepresented the facts. Rather than taking their claims at face value, it's worth looking at the actual oversight and audits that keep USAID accountable.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I'm not really interested in your clap trap about looking at a gesture and understanding it. I'm more interested in your motivations for lying about it.

LOL

ARE YOU AN EXPERT ON TRUE NAZI SALUTES™?

YES or NO?

If "yes," how did you become an expert on True Nazi Salutes™?


The "gestures" of Hitler, the neo-nazi scum, and Mushie are obviously the same gesture despite the minute differences.

The lie is that these gestures are meaningfully different.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

They are not going to die because they didn't get their trans Muppet shows. I SAID Was about foreign influence not foreign aid.

lol

out of morbid curiosity

in your imagination

Where did all the food USAID bought from US farmers go?​

 

[Simon W. Moon]

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lol your faith grows desperate lol

Miller is an unapologetic white supremacist propaganda propagator​