Trump’s Push to Reopen Schools Is Going to Backfire

[Josie]

How are school districts supposed to afford those things? Teachers already have kids packed in their classes. There are students that leave class each day for additional help and teachers that come into classes each day to give other students help.

Trump said fully open. That was his threat.

Trump Threatens to Cut Funding if Schools Do Not Fully Reopen - The New York Times

Fully opened cannot be done with social distancing standards in most schools across the country.

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Thanks for the link.

Yeah, there’s no way school districts are going back to normal yet. I haven’t heard of one that isn’t implementing at least some of the CDC guidelines.

 

[Omniscient]

 

[Helix]

And it's Democrats in other places, isn't it?

look at the ****ing tweet in the OP. this asshole is causing it. there is no reason to do this instead of distance learning.

i know that you like Republicans and try to play the "both sides do it" stuff. this is a Republican president putting big pressure on governors to open schools, and they're caving in and doing it. this is going to kill people. it could kill you. it could kill my wife. it could kill my kid, and it could kill me. this **** is not a joke, and that orange asshole's mismanagement of the crisis has made the US one of the hardest hit nations on the planet. and then they reopen the ****ing schools when it's peaking?

what
the
actual
****.

:roll:

 

[Josie]

look at the ****ing tweet in the OP. this asshole is causing it. there is no reason to do this instead of distance learning.

i know that you like Republicans and try to play the "both sides do it" stuff. this is a Republican president putting big pressure on governors to open schools, and they're caving in and doing it. this is going to kill people. it could kill you. it could kill my wife. it could kill my kid, and it could kill me. this **** is not a joke, and that orange asshole's mismanagement of the crisis has made the US one of the hardest hit nations on the planet. and then they reopen the ****ing schools when it's peaking?

what
the
actual
****.

:roll:

The reality is that both sides ARE involved here, Helix. Both sides are always involved in everything. There is never a moment when one side is all wrong and the other side is angelic. This isn't the "Cheeto man bad - Democrats all good" Oreo-cookie stuff that you've been spouting for months now. Do we have a dumbass Republican president who is pressuring governors? Yes. Do we have Republican Congressmen threatening funding to schools that don't have in-person learning? Yes. Do we also have Democratic governors giving in to the pressure? Yes. Do we have Democratic state boards of education that think we need to have in-person learning? Yes. Do we also have Democratic school districts that agree with the CDC and want to have in-person classes? Yes. Do we have Democrat teachers who want in-person learning? Yes. Do we have Democrat principals, superintendents and school board members who want in-person learning? Yes.

This isn't a black and white situation. It's not a "all Republicans want students, teachers, parents and grandparents to die" and "all Democrats want to save everyone". It's a complex situation. There are a huge number of factors that go into these decisions and your viewpoint is incredibly simplistic and not at all reality.

 

[Luce]

The reality is that both sides ARE involved here, Helix. Both sides are always involved in everything. There is never a moment when one side is all wrong and the other side is angelic. This isn't the "Cheeto man bad - Democrats all good" Oreo-cookie stuff that you've been spouting for months now. Do we have a dumbass Republican president who is pressuring governors? Yes. Do we have Republican Congressmen threatening funding to schools that don't have in-person learning? Yes. Do we also have Democratic governors giving in to the pressure? Yes. Do we have Democratic state boards of education that think we need to have in-person learning? Yes. Do we also have Democratic school districts that agree with the CDC and want to have in-person classes? Yes. Do we have Democrat teachers who want in-person learning? Yes. Do we have Democrat principals, superintendents and school board members who want in-person learning? Yes.

This isn't a black and white situation. It's not a "all Republicans want students, teachers, parents and grandparents to die" and "all Democrats want to save everyone". It's a complex situation. There are a huge number of factors that go into these decisions and your viewpoint is incredibly simplistic and not at all reality.

It is in fact a black and white situation, if you look past the parties.

People in power pushing for children to be put in positions that will endanger them for no reason should be tarred and feathered.

People in power who bow to pressure to do the above should also be tarred and feathered.

People who do not do either of these two things may in fact be fit for office.

 

[Moderate Right]

Well, it's not just children in the building. Obviously.

It's the children who have a better chance of being closer together. It would be fairly easy for the adults to social distance and wear masks.

 

[Helix]

The reality is that both sides ARE involved here, Helix. Both sides are always involved in everything. There is never a moment when one side is all wrong and the other side is angelic. This isn't the "Cheeto man bad - Democrats all good" Oreo-cookie stuff that you've been spouting for months now. Do we have a dumbass Republican president who is pressuring governors? Yes. Do we have Republican Congressmen threatening funding to schools that don't have in-person learning? Yes. Do we also have Democratic governors giving in to the pressure? Yes. Do we have Democratic state boards of education that think we need to have in-person learning? Yes. Do we also have Democratic school districts that agree with the CDC and want to have in-person classes? Yes. Do we have Democrat teachers who want in-person learning? Yes. Do we have Democrat principals, superintendents and school board members who want in-person learning? Yes.

This isn't a black and white situation. It's not a "all Republicans want students, teachers, parents and grandparents to die" and "all Democrats want to save everyone". It's a complex situation. There are a huge number of factors that go into these decisions and your viewpoint is incredibly simplistic and not at all reality.

The reality is that the president is a COVIDiot moron who has so badly mismanaged this crisis that both of our lives are literally on the line because of it. Let that sink in for a bit.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

But but but, liberals say that kids under 10 don't spread germs. So, why can't they open?

Which ones?

Where?

I've only seen Trumpco customers posting the idea that the little balls of snot and germs won't spread covid.

 

[Josie]

It is in fact a black and white situation, if you look past the parties.

People in power pushing for children to be put in positions that will endanger them for no reason should be tarred and feathered.

People in power who bow to pressure to do the above should also be tarred and feathered.

People who do not do either of these two things may in fact be fit for office.

Some of those people in power are Democrats. So, no, not a black and white situation. Is it mostly Republicans who are pushing it? Yes. Is it only Republicans pushing it? No.

 

[Luce]

Some of those people in power are Democrats. So, no, not a black and white situation. Is it mostly Republicans who are pushing it? Yes. Is it only Republicans pushing it? No.

I am not disagreeing.

I am saying that the people who are pushing it should be dipped in tar and dusted with feathers.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Fauci said kids should can go back to school with proper precautions.

Aren't we supposed to do what Fauci says?

US coronavirus: K-12 schools and colleges can reopen, but safety should come first, Fauci says - CNN

Yes.

Do you honestly and earnestly believe that Fauci said every school everywhere should open now?


There're guidelines for when it's safe to re-open.

We didn't wait until we met the guidelines last time, but we re-opened anyway.
We got another spike.

Maybe if we use the guidelines as intended for deciding when to re-open this time,
it'll work out better.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

It's the children who have a better chance of being closer together. It would be fairly easy for the adults to social distance and wear masks.

LOLOLOLOL

Oh wait.

You're serious.

Let me laugh even harder.

LOLOLOLOL



You have zero clue what it's like in an elementary school, do you?

You sure ain't no teacher.

That's some very silly and exceptionally unrealistic bull****.

 

[Moderate Right]

Which ones?

Where?

I've only seen Trumpco customers posting the idea that the little balls of snot and germs won't spread covid.

Don't read much, do you? Lefties all over DP have been saying that kids under 10 don't spread germs. It makes me laugh at their ignorance.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Don't read much, do you? Lefties all over DP have been saying that kids under 10 don't spread germs. It makes me laugh at their ignorance.

I ain't seen a one.

I seen plenty or Trumpco customers pushing that bull**** as a reason why we can go ahead and open schools.


You are just mistaken

:shrug:

 

[Moderate Right]

LOLOLOLOL

Oh wait.

You're serious.

Let me laugh even harder.

LOLOLOLOL



You have zero clue what it's like in an elementary school, do you?

You sure ain't no teacher.

That's some very silly and exceptionally unrealistic bull****.

Ummmmmmmmmmmm, I have school age kids so, yes, I know. Kids are close together but there's basically only one teacher in every room and they can wear masks and social distance at other times. There is no need for teachers to congregate close to each other but, hey, it's you lefties who say if everyone wore masks there would be no worries.

 

[Moderate Right]

I ain't seen a one.

I seen plenty or Trumpco customers pushing that bull**** as a reason why we can go ahead and open schools.


You are just mistaken

:shrug:

You ain't seen one because you haven't been looking. They are everywhere.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Ummmmmmmmmmmm, I have school age kids so, yes, I know. Kids are close together but there's basically only one teacher in every room and they can wear masks and social distance at other times. There is no need for teachers to congregate close to each other but, hey, it's you lefties who say if everyone wore masks there would be no worries.

Having school aged kids mean you know how much kids and teacher interact physically in a classroom setting?

I don't believe you.

As evidence, I cite you post where you say it'd be easy for teachers to stay away from students.

 

[americanwoman]

Don't read much, do you? Lefties all over DP have been saying that kids under 10 don't spread germs. It makes me laugh at their ignorance.

Quote them.

 

[Josie]

It's the children who have a better chance of being closer together. It would be fairly easy for the adults to social distance and wear masks.

No, it's not going to be easy for teachers to stand feet away from their students. It will be easy to socially distance from other teachers. For me, anyway. I'm an introvert.

 

[roguenuke]

Thanks for the link.

Yeah, there’s no way school districts are going back to normal yet. I haven’t heard of one that isn’t implementing at least some of the CDC guidelines.

Look, I'm not saying some schools can't or shouldn't open with kids in classrooms within a limited, safe capacity (will almost certainly be a hybrid system this year though). That can be done.

But schools shouldnt be opened for students in any capacity based on the threat of losing funding, but rather on a clear assessment of their area, of what works for that school district and the students and staff within it, of what's safe to do. And all students and parents need to have some online options available. As well as contingency plans.

This is one of the major reasons I won't vote for Trump. Because I have agreed with him on certain issues. I dont agree with his reasoning, his attitude, his remarks, his implementation on almost every issue, even most of those where I actually could agree with the basic stance. He is such a horrible person, and not a leader. He's the kind of leader no Chief would seriously want to follow because you may get your way with your division/department/unit for a while by simply sucking up, but eventually he's going to want you to do something really stupid that you know will cause issues and could get someone hurt and there won't be any way to tell him no without then getting on his ****list simply for doing the right thing.

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[Luce]

I am unsure why classrooms are even desirable at this point. Remote learning works well enough to use at least for the duration of the plague.

 

[roguenuke]

Ummmmmmmmmmmm, I have school age kids so, yes, I know. Kids are close together but there's basically only one teacher in every room and they can wear masks and social distance at other times. There is no need for teachers to congregate close to each other but, hey, it's you lefties who say if everyone wore masks there would be no worries.

So they're all over here saying this yet you can't provide a couple of quotes from them?

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[Josie]

Look, I'm not saying some schools can't or shouldn't open with kids in classrooms within a limited, safe capacity (will almost certainly be a hybrid system this year though). That can be done.

But schools shouldnt be opened for students in any capacity based on the threat of losing funding, but rather on a clear assessment of their area, of what works for that school district and the students and staff within it, of what's safe to do. And all students and parents need to have some online options available. As well as contingency plans.

Agreed. All of the school districts I know have all of the options in place.

This is one of the major reasons I won't vote for Trump. Because I have agreed with him on certain issues. I dont agree with his reasoning, his attitude, his remarks, his implementation on almost every issue, even most of those where I actually could agree with the basic stance. He is such a horrible person, and not a leader. He's the kind of leader no Chief would seriously want to follow because you may get your way with your division/department/unit for a while by simply sucking up, but eventually he's going to want you to do something really stupid that you know will cause issues and could get someone hurt and there won't be any way to tell him no without then getting on his ****list simply for doing the right thing.

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Preaching to the choir.

 

[Fruityfact]

Some of those people in power are Democrats. So, no, not a black and white situation. Is it mostly Republicans who are pushing it? Yes. Is it only Republicans pushing it? No.

Your both siderism is pathetic.

 

[EnigmaO01]

All Floridians have the option of remote learning.

So they can stay home alone if you have to work?