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Trump’s first task is herculean: closing the border. Here are his plans.

You're not paying attention.
They cross the border legally. They're on holiday or visiting friends or family or going shopping. Do you think having a Hispanic name and accent disqualifies you from crossing the border? There's towns on the border where people cross back and forth trading dinner nights.
Oh, and then there's the student visas. They graduate and there's the job fairs and recruiting drives run by people who don't care much about federal paperwork that has no consequences for them.
What, did you think 20,000 pedestrians a day at San Ysidro alone are just standing wide-eyed and slack-jawed until the border agent gets impatient and tells them to go ahead?

I've crossed the border myself. It used to go much faster. They can make it go even slower than it already is on the return trip. It does require paperwork. Overstaying your time is possible but there's plenty of low hanging fruit to get here before worrying about the harder stuff. As I said right now we can't even get an immigration hold on a rapist sitting in a city jail for drunk driving.
 
He did decent attempt the first time but will go much harder this time. So yes I do think he will.
Decent attempt at what? Republicans controlled both houses of Congress and the White House and did diddly-squat. The day after the Democrats won the mid-terms Trump declared it was a national emergency and conjured up caravans of illegals.
Listen up. Trump doesn't want to stop the supply of cheap labour. That's just a political slogan. The people Trump needs don't want that so Trump doesn't want it.
Like I said, he might build that wall because it'll be something to placate the howling magatry but won't affect illegal immigration.
Remember, most illegal immigrants cross the border legally.
 



Those poor Hollywood pedophiles will just have to find another way to get all the children they lust after so heartily.



Hopefully there will be some legislative help here as well. Americans are sick of hearing about fellow citizens being killed by someone who is in the country illegal and who has already been released for prior crimes with charges pending before then engage in the rape, murder, drunk driving or drug use that harms Americans.



If we stop funding Ukraine, we could fund about six walls.



It would be so nice to see our fellow citizens who are suffering in the grip of homelessness largely caused by drug and alcohol abuse to get that easy access to fentanyl removed. Perhaps our downtowns, parks and common spaces would actually be available for all of us to feel safe and use again.

Then again there is the human trafficking angle which again involves thousands of women and children. We must put an end to this. Finally Mexico is a great neighbor with great people but they are unable to handle these cartels. Let's stop the cartels and we can not only MAKE AMERICAN GREAT AGAIN, we can MAKE MEXICO GREAT AGAIN!

Closing the borders? I thought y'all were going to wreck the economy with tariffs alone. Good luck, American economy!
 
Your dismissal is noted. As are your lack of real reply.

Building a wall won’t address the majority of illegal immigration, drug trafficking, or sex trafficking because those already come through legal points of entry.
 
Building a wall won’t address the majority of illegal immigration, drug trafficking, or sex trafficking because those already come through legal points of entry.

Did you read the link I posted about his use of military, declaration cartels as terrorist organizations and so on?
 
Building a wall won’t address the majority of illegal immigration, drug trafficking, or sex trafficking because those already come through legal points of entry.
Trump is not fixing immigration period. Another con job by Donald strictly for votes
 
Strange narrative for a guy who just won an election over indictments, judgements, assassination attempts and with a switcharoo plus the media being fully in the thank for Harris.

If that doesn't require any thinking then I'll have to not think like that a lot more often.

No more strange than a similar narrative for Joe Biden when he won the election by with many more votes than trump, in spite of his obvious senility.

It cuts both ways.
 



Those poor Hollywood pedophiles will just have to find another way to get all the children they lust after so heartily.



Hopefully there will be some legislative help here as well. Americans are sick of hearing about fellow citizens being killed by someone who is in the country illegal and who has already been released for prior crimes with charges pending before then engage in the rape, murder, drunk driving or drug use that harms Americans.



If we stop funding Ukraine, we could fund about six walls.



It would be so nice to see our fellow citizens who are suffering in the grip of homelessness largely caused by drug and alcohol abuse to get that easy access to fentanyl removed. Perhaps our downtowns, parks and common spaces would actually be available for all of us to feel safe and use again.

Then again there is the human trafficking angle which again involves thousands of women and children. We must put an end to this. Finally Mexico is a great neighbor with great people but they are unable to handle these cartels. Let's stop the cartels and we can not only MAKE AMERICAN GREAT AGAIN, we can MAKE MEXICO GREAT AGAIN!

Fortunately, he probably isn't going to do any of that. You got conned. Again.

In his campaign for 2016, he ran on criticizing Obama's trade deficits and promised to turn them into a trade surplus.

Instead, he had even larger trade deficits than Obama every single year he was in office.

He promised to eliminate the national debt. But instead, he added more to the national debt than any other president in history.

He didn't build the wall, and Mexico didn't pay for it.

His campaign promises already served their purpose. They don't have anything to do with what he actually intends to do.

What he will do is play a lot of golf while profiting off of emoluments, and selling out to the highest bidder at the expense of the American people.

Just like he did last time.
 
Fortunately, he probably isn't going to do any of that. You got conned. Again.

In his campaign for 2016, he ran on criticizing Obama's trade deficits and promised to turn them into a trade surplus.

Instead, he had even larger trade deficits than Obama every single year he was in office.

He promised to eliminate the national debt. But instead, he added more to the national debt than any other president in history.

He didn't build the wall, and Mexico didn't pay for it.

His campaign promises already served their purpose. They don't have anything to do with what he actually intends to do.

What he will do is play a lot of golf while profiting off of emoluments, and selling out to the highest bidder at the expense of the American people.

Just like he did last time.
Of course trump and wealthy minions will push to privatize institutions in order to enrich each other
 
Even if Congress passed laws decriminalizing all end users, effectively ending the drug war and rebudgeting those funds, the costs are ****ing prohibitive
 
Building a wall won’t address the majority of illegal immigration, drug trafficking, or sex trafficking because those already come through legal points of entry.
95% of containers are not inspected.
 
He did decent attempt the first time but will go much harder this time. So yes I do think he will.

Given that he failed to tackle this problem when the Republicans had control of Congress, and woke up after Schumer and Pelosi were in control may have taught him a lesson. And perhaps he learned that guys like Rodger Stone and Steve Bannon and Paul Manafort are no way to run a government.

Maybe.
 
The sanctuary cities have actively stood in the way of CBP and ICE. The answer is to tie funding to compliance of federal laws.
That's nice. But they're getting **** all for state and local police backup, at least around here.
 
Immigration is a federal matter.

Sanctuary cities are those cities taking federal money but ignoring federal law.

Do you states still have the right to demand federal money but not use it for federal enforcement?
States and cities don't "ignore" federal law.
They simply do not have to enforce it or aid in its' enforcement.

It's a States Rights issue. So sayeth the Supreme Court.

Your boy is gonna have to hire 10s of thousands of ICE agents and spent untold millions more tracking all those illegals down. Wonder where he's gonna get all that money.

And then there's the hit the economy is gonna take when we lose all those workers that we actually need.

Completely moronic.
 
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Did you read the link I posted about his use of military, declaration cartels as terrorist organizations and so on?

None of that will stop the vast majority of drug trafficking, which is done by US citizens through legal entry points.
 
Did you read the link I posted about his use of military, declaration cartels as terrorist organizations and so on?
What do you imagine that will accomplish?
 
Yes, there are only 24 hours in a day.
It's like the people making sweeping promises have never had to do logistics or stick to budget. I wonder if it's because they're all charlatans.
 
It's like the people making sweeping promises have never had to do logistics or stick to budget. I wonder if it's because they're all charlatans.
Comes from never having done an honest day's work in their lives.
 
Trump is not fixing immigration period. Another con job by Donald strictly for votes

You could be right and that just means that the next person after him will take an ever more strident position since it is a strong priority for the American people that immigration be fixed. You guys can sit there and shrug your shoulders just like how you do for drugs, the homeless, crime and everything else. Maybe he will fail but the point is at some point if a government cannot serve it's people, it will not exist.

No more strange than a similar narrative for Joe Biden when he won the election by with many more votes than trump, in spite of his obvious senility.

It cuts both ways.

Oh you're one of those remaining people who still think he "won" it? I guess the fact that all those votes never materialized for Obama, Clinton or Harris was just a coincidence.

Fortunately, he probably isn't going to do any of that. You got conned. Again.

In his campaign for 2016, he ran on criticizing Obama's trade deficits and promised to turn them into a trade surplus.

Instead, he had even larger trade deficits than Obama every single year he was in office.

He promised to eliminate the national debt. But instead, he added more to the national debt than any other president in history.

He didn't build the wall, and Mexico didn't pay for it.

His campaign promises already served their purpose. They don't have anything to do with what he actually intends to do.

What he will do is play a lot of golf while profiting off of emoluments, and selling out to the highest bidder at the expense of the American people.

Just like he did last time.

Yet the policies of the Democrat party and their governance was so bad that they will take him with all that failure over another four years with Harris.

That's pretty bad. I mean that's like you gave me a venereal disease but you're still better than crazy eyes over there with the cackle.

States and cities don't "ignore" federal law.
They simply do not have to enforce it or aid in the enforcement.

It's a States Rights issue. So sayeth the Supreme Court.

Your boy is gonna have to hire 10s of thousands of ICE agents and spent untold millions more or tracking all those illegals down. Wonder where he's gonna get all that money.

And then there's the hit the economy is gonna take when we lose all those workers that we actually need.

Completely moronic.

You can dogmatically repeat yourself. SOMEONE has to control immigration in some fashion. Trump has talked about bringing the military home from abroad and using it to defend our own borders vs those of Japan, Europe and so on. Something will get done at some point.
 
What do you imagine that will accomplish?

So that's a no then since the objectives and outcomes were in that article. You don't read. Got it.
 
None of that will stop the vast majority of drug trafficking, which is done by US citizens through legal entry points.

You could be right and then in 2028 the guy saying he will go Singapore death penalty on drug mules will win.

Saying a government can never serve it's people just means even more strident and extreme reform will happen. Keep talking and you'll remember the good ol' days where you remember Trump as more like Mitt Romney compared to his successors.
 
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