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Trump’s “Christian” supporters do not follow a central message of Jesus (2 Viewers)

watsup said:
You are still wrong. I did some Google research and, just as I had expected, the great majority of Christians do indeed consider Matthew 25 to be an admonition by Jesus to INDIVIDUALS and not to nations. The problem with using the Bible as a reference is that it can be interpreted in different ways and each person doing so believes that their particular interpretation is the one that is directly supported by God, just as you are doing. Sorry, but that is the sin of pride to believe that you have direct access to the knowledge of your God. For instance, in this particular case (and that of slavery), you are clearly wrong as outlined by most other Christians, but your pride will not allow you to go back and consider their claims as being more feasible. This sin of pride is a real problem for Christians in each of them believing that they are totally correct in their particular interpretations of the Bible.
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Yet it says 'nations'. (Matt. 25:32)

I have no problem using the Bible as a reference. You have just confessed that you do. Which means you don't really care what the Bible says. You simply want to project what you think, upon the Bible. Yet all the while you have been posturing yourself as a great 'expositor of the Bible'. And you have supposedly proved your position from the Bible. But, you have been found out to be a liar. And so now you question the use of the Bible as a reference.

What a waste of time you are. Oxy...moron.

Lees
 
Completely agree. Jesus literally says to give away all your money and follow him. And that it's easier for a camel to get through an eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter Heaven. Yet Trump supporters are often Right Wing extremists who worship material wealth over all. The hypocrisy is endless with these people.

Oh and Jesus says to render to Caeser what belongs to Caesar. Yet Republicans will do everything to avoid paying taxes and support rich people using loopholes and off shore accounts to avoid paying taxes.
 
Lees said:
Yet you claim to be an expositor of the Bible which is Supernatural. Oxy...moron.

Lees
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Actually, the Bible is a book written by rather primitive men in regards to overall knowledge of the world. Science mistakes are rife. Genesis is clearly the myths of a primitive society. There may have been a Jesus, but the "miracles" that he supposedly performed are also nothing but myths. And people can't "resurrect" from the dead. The Bible can only be "believed" rather than proven with factual evidence because it's just a bunch of stories like Aesop's fables.
 
watsup said:
Actually, the Bible is a book written by rather primitive men in regards to overall knowledge of the world. Science mistakes are rife. Genesis is clearly the myths of a primitive society. There may have been a Jesus, but the "miracles" that he supposedly performed are also nothing but myths. And people can't "resurrect" from the dead. The Bible can only be "believed" rather than proven with factual evidence because it's just a bunch of stories like Aesop's fables.
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and that is your review of the Greatest Book ever written.

you prolly never read the book or understood it; try that first and come back. God is waiting for you, the issue is, you know God is in that book..............and you are running from God.

watsup is not fast enuf though.

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Lees said:
Yet it says 'nations'. (Matt. 25:32)
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There seem to be some reading comprehension problems coming into play here. Let's take another look: " "Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate PR "Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate PEOPLE one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats."

It quite clearly says that he is separating PEOPLE from one another. The only reason that "nations" is mentioned is to show that basically all the PEOPLE of all the nations will be judged. This can't be more clear. You really need to get back with some of your fellow Christians and see if they can explain this to you because you are clearly wrong.


Lees said:
But, you have been found out to be a liar.
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So now this fine "Christian" person, you, decide to resort to personal insult instead of staying on topic. That's okay, basically every "Christian" who has ever shown up here has done the same when it is shown that they don't know what they are talking about. Join the crowd.
 
watsup said:
Actually, the Bible is a book written by rather primitive men in regards to overall knowledge of the world. Science mistakes are rife. Genesis is clearly the myths of a primitive society. There may have been a Jesus, but the "miracles" that he supposedly performed are also nothing but myths. And people can't "resurrect" from the dead. The Bible can only be "believed" rather than proven with factual evidence because it's just a bunch of stories like Aesop's fables.
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But that's not what the Bible says. I didn't say you had to believe it. You don't. That's fine. I do.

Lees
 
watsup said:
There seem to be some reading comprehension problems coming into play here. Let's take another look: " "Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate PR "Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate PEOPLE one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats."

It quite clearly says that he is separating PEOPLE from one another. The only reason that "nations" is mentioned is to show that basically all the PEOPLE of all the nations will be judged. This can't be more clear. You really need to get back with some of your fellow Christians and see if they can explain this to you because you are clearly wrong.




So now this fine "Christian" person, you, decide to resort to personal insult instead of staying on topic. That's okay, basically every "Christian" who has ever shown up here has done the same when it is shown that they don't know what they are talking about. Join the crowd.
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(Matt. 25:32) "And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats.."

It is clear that nations of people are being separated. Can't be more clear.

And this occurs after the 2nd Coming of Christ...correct?

Lees
 
watsup said:
Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate PEOPLE one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
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Two different translations. The one above is the one I found and it is repeated quite often in a Google search.


Lees said:
Matt. 25:32) "And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats.."

It is clear that nations of people are being separated. Can't be more clear.
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This one is also repetitive in a Google search, but it simply does not make sense. Jesus was obviously talking about individual people in the lead-up to this passage. There will be individual sheeps and goats in every nation, and it makes no sense to judge then as a whole rather than as individuals. It is individuals who feed and clothe “the least of these”, not nations as a whole. That is the only way that it makes sense.

And to repeat the main point of the OP, Trump is causing much suffering and distress among .”the least of these”, both in this nation and elsewhere in the world as he removes the safety nets that, for instance, keeps them fed. Furthermore, his so-called “Christian” followers look the other way and make excuses for him as he does so. Jesus weeps. Profusely.
 
Lees said:
I'm just showing you what it says, and how wrong your attempt is in trying to make it about abortion. And in the process it shows the feus is alive. "a life for a life" (Ex. 21:23) Sort of backfired on you....didn't it?

I'm saying that God instituted slavery. You asked so I answered. So slavery as instituted by God is right.

Lees
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Get out of my century.
 
watsup said:
Two different translations. The one above is the one I found and it is repeated quite often in a Google search.




This one is also repetitive in a Google search, but it simply does not make sense. Jesus was obviously talking about individual people in the lead-up to this passage. There will be individual sheeps and goats in every nation, and it makes no sense to judge then as a whole rather than as individuals. It is individuals who feed and clothe “the least of these”, not nations as a whole. That is the only way that it makes sense.

And to repeat the main point of the OP, Trump is causing much suffering and distress among .”the least of these”, both in this nation and elsewhere in the world as he removes the safety nets that, for instance, keeps them fed. Furthermore, his so-called “Christian” followers look the other way and make excuses for him as he does so. Jesus weeps. Profusely.
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Have you found one yet that removes (Matt. 25:31) or changes it to not mean the 2nd Coming of Christ?

(Matt. 25:31) "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory."

Pretty clear isn't it? Those verses you try and use against the Christian have nothing to do with the Christian or the Church age. They have to do with the time after Christ returns and sits on His throne setting up His Kingdom on earth and separating the sheep and goat nations.

Lees
 
Lees said:
Have you found one yet that removes (Matt. 25:31) or changes it to not mean the 2nd Coming of Christ?

(Matt. 25:31) "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory."

Pretty clear isn't it? Those verses you try and use against the Christian have nothing to do with the Christian or the Church age. They have to do with the time after Christ returns and sits on His throne setting up His Kingdom on earth and separating the sheep and goat nations.

Lees
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The Second Coming of Christ is a given in this discussion. I have never denied that the passages are about that. But that still doesn’t change the fact that, in context, it is quite clear that Jesus was talking about INDIVIDUALS with respect to taking care of “the least of these}. It simply makes no sense otherwise. Jesus expected each individual to do so if that person wanted to be a “sheep” instead of a goat at the Judgement. You need to check with some of your fellow Christians to try to understand this better.
 
watsup said:
The Second Coming of Christ is a given in this discussion. I have never denied that the passages are about that. But that still doesn’t change the fact that, in context, it is quite clear that Jesus was talking about INDIVIDUALS with respect to taking care of “the least of these}. It simply makes no sense otherwise. Jesus expected each individual to do so if that person wanted to be a “sheep” instead of a goat at the Judgement. You need to check with some of your fellow Christians to try to understand this better.
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Well, the 2nd Coming hasn't ocurred yet...has it?

Which means the verses you are using have nothing to do with the Christian or the Church. It's about the judgement of nations and how they treated the Jews during the Tribulation period.

No, I don't need to check with anyone. I simply believe what it says. You don't and you try to pervert what it says.

Lees
 
Lees said:
Well, the 2nd Coming hasn't ocurred yet...has it?

Which means the verses you are using have nothing to do with the Christian or the Church. It's about the judgement of nations and how they treated the Jews during the Tribulation period.

No, I don't need to check with anyone. I simply believe what it says. You don't and you try to pervert what it says.

Lees
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Believe what you want. It doesn’t make any sense in terms of the “least of these” lesson by Jesus in Matthew 25. Most other Christians verify that it refers to INDIVIDUALS and not to nations. It is you who is perverting it to your own “beliefs” rather than properly interpreting it.
 
watsup said:
Believe what you want. It doesn’t make any sense in terms of the “least of these” lesson by Jesus in Matthew 25. Most other Christians verify that it refers to INDIVIDUALS and not to nations. It is you who is perverting it to your own “beliefs” rather than properly interpreting it.
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No, I believe what it says. Your'sense plays no role.

Your sense is a perversion of Scripture.

Lees
 
Lees said:
No, I believe what it says. Your'sense plays no role.

Your sense is a perversion of Scripture.

Lees
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What you don’t see, to realize is that you are not arguing with me, you are arguing with all those fellow Christians who are saying that Matthew 25 refers to individuals and not to states as you claim. Are you calling all these fellow Christians perverse because they do not agree with your interpretation? Rather harsh, don’t you think?
 
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