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TRENDING: At rally, Beck positions himself as new leader for Christian conservatives

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CNN the Communist News Network reported the crowd size at "tens of tousands" when the government is counting heads at bewtween 300,000 and 600,000. HA-HA-HA (we're ba-a-a-ck)
 

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CNN the Communist News Network reported the crowd size at "tens of tousands" when the government is counting heads at bewtween 300,000 and 600,000. HA-HA-HA (we're ba-a-a-ck)

Who is back?
 

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The difference between a religion and a cult is that the religion is recognized by the state.

The difference between a religion and a cult, in the eye of Evangelicals, is in holding to the essentials of the faith. Mormons don't.
 

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Yes, but most of evangelical Christianity considers mormonism a cult.

The difference between a religion and a cult, in the eye of Evangelicals, is in holding to the essentials of the faith. Mormons don't.

I thought the difference between a religion and a cult was more like this:

cult - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com

Technical particulars and pedantry aside, that's essentially the definition I was raised with.
 

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If I had any idea what the hell you were actually trying to say, I'd reply.

Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan
Don't worry, the fact that Beck is a Mormon will be what ultimately defeats any effort on his part to organize and guide Christian conservatives.

Sorry, I took this as you wouldn't want to see Christian Conservatives united, and as something that should be defeated.
 

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I thought the difference between a religion and a cult was more like this:

cult - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com

Technical particulars and pedantry aside, that's essentially the definition I was raised with.

Evangelicals basically believe that everything outside their beliefs is a cult. That may/may not include catholicism, depending on the evangelical group in question.
 

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I am not a fan of Beck, but I really thought there was a lack of passion in the audience for this rally. I know its hard to be absolutely certain, but I thought there was a time when Beck was droning on and on when he tried to rev them up, but there seemed to be little response. I mean being the Tea Party is fun. Its full of dumping on the people in power and venting angry thoughts.

But Beck's long rambling speech did not seem to move people like complaining about liberals. What compounded all this was Beck speech really wasn't very good. It was all over the place between sacrifice for future generations, founding fathers, no need for someone to rule us, how God should rule us. No central point other than go to church the next day.

There was nothing in Beck's speech that was scary. But what I did hear was BORING! I think you saw it from the audience response that's I am not the only one who thought that.

I'm hearing many moving stories on the radio from those who were there. This was not and wasn't meant to be a Rahh Rahh, get out the vote rally. It was not a Tea Party rally.
The people who were there and are able to have their voices heard were moved by the whole thing. If people were bored, I'm sure MSNBC, NBC or CNN will find those people and make sure they get air time.
 

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Re: TRENDING: At rally, Beck positions himself as new leader for Christian conservati

That has to do with the topic.....how?

i was wondering about glue fumes.
 

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Re: TRENDING: At rally, Beck positions himself as new leader for Christian conservati

The only problem with this analysis is that Beck is Mormon, not Christian.
 

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I'm hearing many moving stories on the radio from those who were there. This was not and wasn't meant to be a Rahh Rahh, get out the vote rally. It was not a Tea Party rally.
The people who were there and are able to have their voices heard were moved by the whole thing. If people were bored, I'm sure MSNBC, NBC or CNN will find those people and make sure they get air time.

Looks like they had a broad cross section of people too.

Glenn Beck crowd: Not so white as advertised
 

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The only problem with this analysis is that Beck is Mormon, not Christian.

The mainstream media is not so good at sorting out the differences between the genres.
 

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TRENDING: At rally, Beck positions himself as new leader for Christian conservatives – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs


Sorry folks whenever I hear someone like this suddenly having a religious epiphany I'm very skeptical. Gold anyone at 300 percent mark up? If you can't see this guy for what a phoney he is I feel sorry for you.

Danger Will Robinson!

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Worse yet... Beck actually believes what he says.

ricksfolly
 

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The difference between a religion and a cult, in the eye of Evangelicals, is in holding to the essentials of the faith. Mormons don't.
which faith? whose interpretation of the words? EVERY religion that originated as an offshoot of catholicism was at one time considered a cult. The catholic church itself was formed from a collection of cults, it took 300 years and orders from Constantine to make the catholics more unified in their beliefs. Many protestant faiths are more Paulist than Christian.

Beck is a Mormon, but I know a lot of Mormons who wish he wasn't.

Being recognized by the state isn't what defines religion either. Any group can form a church and file for tax exemption. That is as far as the state should go...
 

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Evangelicals basically believe that everything outside their beliefs is a cult. That may/may not include catholicism, depending on the evangelical group in question.

Over the years, there have been many anti-Catholic pushes within the Evangelicals. My sense is that, at present, most mainstream Evangelicals are okay with us blood-drinking, semi-pagans.

A few years back, I was at a Catholic funeral, which is essentially a mass for the deceased, and the pastor of the one of the biggest evangelical churches in our area was there because the deceased was his (our) neighbor and friend. The pastor was fine with everything until the taking of communion, (breaking dread, drinking wine) -- he got up with a disturbed look and left the mass early.

I've read several books on the subject and wrote a paper on it in college. -- The anti-Catholic pamphlets and rhetoric by evangelicals are based on a lack of knowledge about the history and traditions of the Catholic church, and, of course, cherry-picking lines of scripture.

I was cornered once by an Evangelical who wanted to inform me that us Catholics just 'made up' a lot of stuff like Limbo and Purgatory. "None of that is in the Bible", he says, and the Catholics just made it all up. The conversation came to an abrupt end when I pointed out that Christmas and Easter weren't specifically mentioned in the Bible and his wedding band was a pagan tradition.
 

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which faith? whose interpretation of the words? EVERY religion that originated as an offshoot of catholicism was at one time considered a cult. The catholic church itself was formed from a collection of cults, it took 300 years and orders from Constantine to make the catholics more unified in their beliefs. Many protestant faiths are more Paulist than Christian.

Beck is a Mormon, but I know a lot of Mormons who wish he wasn't.

Being recognized by the state isn't what defines religion either. Any group can form a church and file for tax exemption. That is as far as the state should go...

I agree. I learned while living in Utah that "cult" is in the eye of the beholder. I'm sure that the LDS leaders consider him quite an embarrassment. They prefer to keep a low, Disney-sanitized, profile.
 

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Over the years, there have been many anti-Catholic pushes within the Evangelicals. My sense is that, at present, most mainstream Evangelicals are okay with us blood-drinking, semi-pagans.

My boyfriend in high school was Catholic, which caused a high level of drama with my extremely fundamentalist parents and grandparents. So, I one-upped that by marrying a Mormon. ;)
 

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My boyfriend in high school was Catholic, which caused a high level of drama with my extremely fundamentalist parents and grandparents. So, I one-upped that by marrying a Mormon. ;)

Well played!
 

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Re: TRENDING: At rally, Beck positions himself as new leader for Christian conservati

The only problem with this analysis is that Beck is Mormon, not Christian.

I consider Mormons Christians. But also a problem is that it wasn't just Christians that are part of the Black Robe Regiment. It was Christians, Jews and Muslims (I'm not sure if the minor religions were there).
 

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I consider Mormons Christians. But also a problem is that it wasn't just Christians that are part of the Black Robe Regiment. It was Christians, Jews and Muslims (I'm not sure if the minor religions were there).

which black robe regiment? Revolutionary war, or the modern one that Glenn Beck is on about?
Mormonism didn't exist during the war, started in the early 1800's....
I doubt many Mormon leaders will join Beck for anything, except maybe his excommunication for bearing false witness...
 
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