Transgender toddler.

[seymourflops]

@Nomad4Ever I'm not ignoring your posts. I'll respond later when I have time to answer fully.

Right now I'm taking "brain breaks" by debating giving short answers to posts with less depth.

 

[seymourflops]

What does gay marriage have to do with a trans toddler?

Do you understand that people do not choose to be trans or gay? People are born that way and it isn't a choice. Did you choose your sexuality, gender, eye color, hair color, and your visual acuity? When did you make these choices? Why did you tell when you made these choices?

What is the gay/LGBT agenda because nobody knows what it is, except for equal rights for LGBT people that heterosexuals and CIS people already enjoy.

I made the choice to be heterosexual. I remember the day clearly.

 

[Lisa]

Ive posted the studies multiple times.. I'm not going to find them again. Maybe someone else will post. You either believe, or not. But its true.

I wouldn't agree on blockers on hormones, but as long as you acknowledge life changing decisions prior to 18, I dont care enough to argue it again.

We have gone over this before. Starting to transition after 18 has much worse outcomes because the body has matured in the wrong physical gender, but somehow you are convinced because of conservative blogs that most trans teens grow out of it, despite the facts. The biggest question is why do you care when you have almost no knowledge of gender identity or even a functional understanding of the core concepts?

I made the choice to be heterosexual. I remember the day clearly.

Please tell me how and when you made that choice. Do you have the forms that you filled out to register that decision?

 

[Nomad4Ever]

I made the choice to be heterosexual. I remember the day clearly.

Puberty is one hell of a drug.

 

[buck]

I'm not religious and can't seem to find any data on it myself. So I guess I don't believe. Best I could find was this story of a 17 year old. Though arguably if you can join the military you should be able to make any choice any other adult can. So I'd argue 17 is fine. Personally 16 or younger is probably too young.

13 to 17 year olds are getting surgery. That i have a problem with.

Do you support gender transition after 18?

I would say they are adults and they can do what they like. I would like to see some high quality studies and potentjally different treatment protocols before I would say I "support" it. For example, affirmation and provisng hormones on first visit, is, imo, a problem.

 

[buck]

Hormone blockers have been given to cis children when puberty arrives too early. This is nothing new, yet the social conservatives don't lose their minds over that (nor should they--they are not those kids' doctors).

Big difference between... But, that wasn't the argument. They are life altering drugs given well before 18, which is what I replied to.

 

[buck]

but somehow you are convinced because of conservative blogs that most trans teens grow out of it, despite the facts.

Yes, you are still confused. You believe the multiple studies i provided, often completed by professionals and doctors actually in the field.and often of.the political left are "conservative blogs".

Lol. I don't follow any "conservative blogs" that I know of. You just like making crap up.. all the time. Nearly non stop.

I mean my God, you thought the MOJj out of the UK was a terf. Lol.

 

[Mr Person]

I made the choice to be heterosexual. I remember the day clearly.

Idiotic lie.

(That, or you're bisexual but "chose" to only act on attractions to women)

 

[Lisa]

Yes, you are still confused. You believe the multiple studies i provided, often completed by professionals and doctors actually in the field.and often of.the political left are "conservative blogs".

Lol. I don't follow any "conservative blogs" that I know of. You just like making crap up.. all the time. Nearly non stop.

I mean my God, you thought the MOJj out of the UK was a terf. Lol.

The UK is TERF island. It's very politically biased. That is why trans people are getting the medication in the EU or illegally online because the NHS has a 2+ year backlog.

Government lies, media profit and trans suffering turned the UK into 'TERF island'

Many around the world have asked why Britain is so transphobic. There are many theories but the reason isn’t complicated.

www.pinknews.co.uk

Your ideas are not supported by the facts. You pick and choose bits of information that support what you want to believe.

 

[seymourflops]

Please tell me how and when you made that choice. Do you have the forms that you filled out to register that decision?

Sure.

In these days there were no forms to fill out. Are they doing that in public school these days? No wonder the Asians are murdering us on standardized tests.

Anyway, I was ten or so and the pilot of I dream of Jeannie aired (in syndacation). At one point Capt Nelson said "Ah Jeannie, I don't know how to thank you."

Jeannie stepped up to him in her harem outfit and said, "I will teach thee ."

I didn't know exactly what she was going to teach him. But I sure as heck knew I wanted to learn it also.

 

[seymourflops]

Idiotic lie.

(That, or you're bisexual but "chose" to only act on attractions to women)

You have a lot if hostility on that topic.

Since you recognize that another explanation is possible for my statement, why not ask me if I'm bisexual but chose to only act on attractions to women?

Instead of just blurt posting that I'm an idiotic liar?

 

[Mr Person]

You have a lot if hostility on that topic.
Since you recognize that another explanation is possible for my statement, why not ask me if I'm bisexual but chose to only act on attractions to women?

Blah blah blah. "It's a choice" is an old homophobic refrain. You're now offering it on top of the AGW denier crap you pushed while pretending to want to be educated; ditto the COVID truthing swill.

Your posts are transparent.

Whatevs.

 

[buck]

The UK is TERF island. It's very politically biased. That is why trans people are getting the medication in the EU or illegally online because the NHS has a 2+ year backlog.

Must be nice to live in a world, where you can just ignore official govt statistics and claim those official stats are just the rantings of terfs).

 

[grip]

Funny that you mention that. So by the thinking of some folks if your child decides he/she is a tree they are a tree, or a dog or a cat. It's all about what you think you are, science means nothing except for climate change and Covid shots.

I try to respect what other people want to be designated as but it's awful hard for me to not see someone's original birth sex/gender after 50 yrs of social programming.

 

[Lisa]

Must be nice to live in a world, where you can just ignore official govt statistics and claim those official stats are just the rantings of terfs).

It is born out by facts. The NHS is very transphobic and people are dying because of it. France is much better in that regard. I've heard someone from the Netherlands say the wait time for HRT can be 3-4 years, so they go overseas and pay cash instead.

 

[buck]

It is born out by facts. The NHS is very transphobic and people are dying because of it. France is much better in that regard. I've heard someone from the Netherlands say the wait time for HRT can be 3-4 years, so they go overseas and pay cash instead.

lol.. ROFL.

 

[Lisa]

lol.. ROFL.

That reply is conclusive.

You don't even believe that transgdered people are born trans. You also think that trans teens grow pout if it if you ignore it long enough despite the facts. There is no point in having a discussion with you because you deny basic facts and refuse to accept that psychological gender identity exists. We have had these same discussions in multiple threads and your replies are the same, and very wrong.

 

[buck]

That reply is conclusive.

You don't even believe that transgdered people are born trans. You also think that trans teens grow pout if it if you ignore it long enough despite the facts. There is no point in having a discussion with you because you deny basic facts and refuse to accept that psychological gender identity exists. We have had these same discussions in multiple threads and your replies are the same, and very wrong.

Yeah.. I laughed because it was full of nonsense and excuses. It just wasn't even worth a response.

Now, in your latest response, you lie about all sorts of (alleged) positions I hold. You even got to throw out an accusation that I am "ignoring facts". Which is just priceless considering the current discussion about official stats out of the MOJ. Even more, I am the one that has posted more studies than anyone on the subject to support my positions.

 

[Phys251]

Big difference between...

Irrelevant for your purposes. Hormone blockers have been prescribed for years. Cis, trans, it is none of your business.

But, that wasn't the argument. They are life altering drugs

They are being prescribed by doctors with medical expertise. Theirs will be trusted. Not your ignorant opinion.

 

[Lisa]

Irrelevant for your purposes. Hormone blockers have been prescribed for years. Cis, trans, it is none of your business.



They are being prescribed by doctors with medical expertise. Theirs will be trusted. Not your ignorant opinion.

I'd like for Buck to explain how he plans to treat trans children and teens until they turn 18 because denying them effective medical care would be a gross example of malpractice that would be deadly. We all know that he doesn't like the diagnosis of transgender but he is more concerned abiout the 15% who the treatment does work for and wants to ignore the 85% of people, both teens, and adults, that do benefit from the current med/psych approach.

 

[Phys251]

I'd like for Buck to explain how he plans to treat trans children and teens until they turn 18 because denying them effective medical care would be a gross example of malpractice that would be deadly. We all know that he doesn't like the diagnosis of transgender but he is more concerned abiout the 15% who the treatment does work for and wants to ignore the 85% of people, both teens, and adults, that do benefit from the current med/psych approach.

As I said, it's none of his business. What goes on between a child's legs is solely the issue of that child, their caretaker, and the doctor.

 

[Lisa]

As I said, it's none of his business. What goes on between a child's legs is solely the issue of that child, their caretaker, and the doctor.

His entire argument on this issue is to data-mine claims from various conservative sources and then present them as a supposed coherent argument that current transgdered care for teens and adults is not effective, despite the obvious facts to the contrary, just because of his uninformed transphobic opinions.

 

[buck]

Irrelevant for your purposes.

It's relevant.

 

[Lisa]

It's relevant.

Not to others, it isn't. Your ideas are not based on medical facts or reality.

 

[buck]

Not to others, it isn't. Your ideas are not based on medical facts or reality.

That's not accurate. I have posted the changes happening in Sweden, Finland, and most recently in Australia. Many laws popping up in the US too. So, it's obviously relevant to others too.