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How, exactly, is good friday more offensive (less inclusive?) than Christmas? If you are honest about removing religious connotations then go whole hog and rename Christmas first. Actually, even holiday (holy day?) could be quite offensive to the extremely non-religious. So let's change that to Special Day (capitalized to show that it is a super-duper special day but whiie never saying why).
Seasons are just too limited, since there are only four of them and we like our ten federal Special Days, so let's use the Julian date to identify when these Special Days occur in that year and adopt the Special Day jjj format. For 2017 we have Special Day 001 (new year's day really), Special Day 002 (new year's day obsreved), Special Day 016 (MLK Jr. day), Special Day 051 (presidents' day) and etc.
Each month (better change those month names, just in case anyone is offended by the Roman-centric names being used and while we're at it lets take the opportunity to get rid of all those Viking-centric weekday names as well) should get one Special Day and that day should be determined by a random drawing to avoid offending anyone with weekdayphobia.
Who cares? Is it your position government should play favorites with religion?
What contortions? It's a renaming of a day. I feel as if the response from people like you are FAR more making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Inclusiveness =/= guilt.
As opposed to you, whose real intent is to boss everyone around with your particular flavor of religion? That's somehow better?
You're the one with the problem here. The town did it and you're the one with the complaint. You're the one trying to boss people around based on your religious views.
Answer me this...are you Catholic? Protestant? Orthodox? Let's say, for the sake of this argument, you're Protestant. Would you support changing Columbus Day to Infallible Pope Day? Of course you wouldn't and as a Catholic, neither would I. My religious views are mine and they will not be changed, but I have no right to expect my government to push my beliefs onto others. By renaming it to Spring Holiday, it is merely an acknowledgement that there are many people in this country who do not wish your religious beliefs pushed onto them.
The problem you are having is you WANT your religious beliefs to be catered to, at the expense of anyone else. I'm sorry, we just do not agree this should be acceptable.
Can't say I disagree. People need to just deal with it. We celebrate Christmas, Easter and Columbus Day here. Don't like it, fine. Don't celebrate.
They're not giving to another. They're removing the favoritism enjoyed by Christianity and making it inclusive for all. Spring holiday doesn't exclude you, but now it also doesn't exclude anyone else.So why should the government take away from one, and give to the other. That's favoritism, is it not?
Christians don't recognize Spring or Fall? Really? As a Catholic, I find this news quite shocking.Include everything and everyone except the Christians. Again, how's that not favoritism?
Of course it is. That's absurd. Just because Christians have been bossing around others for decades, that doesn't mean they aren't bossing others around. That argument makes no sense.Leaving things as they are isn't bossing anyone around.
Because you're wanting to impose your religious views on others. Just because it's how it may have been done for a long time, it doesn't change the fact it is imposing religious views. That argument is ridiculous.How is no change bossing anyone about anything?
You didn't answer my question about Infallible Pope Day.The end result, if allowed to continue long enough, is purging not only religion from the public square but also history, as we've seen from the dismantling of Civil War monuments. I do believe that this was a topic in the book 1984.
It would be catering to those who are Christian, for whom the day was originally named. Good Friday is a Christian observance, so it excludes everyone who is not Christian. By renaming it "Spring Holiday", it now becomes a holiday which can be observed by all people of all faiths (or non-faiths).How is leaving things as they are catering to anyone?
Who cares? Is it your position government should play favorites with religion?
What contortions? It's a renaming of a day. I feel as if the response from people like you are FAR more making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Inclusiveness =/= guilt.
As opposed to you, whose real intent is to boss everyone around with your particular flavor of religion? That's somehow better?
You're the one with the problem here. The town did it and you're the one with the complaint. You're the one trying to boss people around based on your religious views.
Answer me this...are you Catholic? Protestant? Orthodox? Let's say, for the sake of this argument, you're Protestant. Would you support changing Columbus Day to Infallible Pope Day? Of course you wouldn't and as a Catholic, neither would I. My religious views are mine and they will not be changed, but I have no right to expect my government to push my beliefs onto others. By renaming it to Spring Holiday, it is merely an acknowledgement that there are many people in this country who do not wish your religious beliefs pushed onto them.
The problem you are having is you WANT your religious beliefs to be catered to, at the expense of anyone else. I'm sorry, we just do not agree this should be acceptable.
I never said Columbus Day was religious.Columbus Day has nothing to do with religion. Trying to compare them is silly.
No one is trying to erase him from history. We don't have a Benito Mussolini day, or a John Hanson day, but no one pretends they didn't exist. No one is trying to erase Columbus from history, but when you actually view history, you'd see there's really just not that much to justify Columbus being recognized as having a day in his honor and there's many things we can point to which suggest he doesn't deserve any such thing.Trying to deny the importance of and erase from history the man known as Columbus...also silly.
Whenever you hear a liberal talking about cultural diversity and sensitivity it normally means something insensitive is about to happen to Christians.
The latest case in point: Bloomington, Indiana - the home of Indiana University and a nesting place for a gaggle of intolerant liberals.
Mayor John Hamilton recently announced that are renaming two paid holidays for city workers -- in an effort to respect "differing cultures."
Columbus Day will henceforth be known as "Fall Holiday" and Good Friday will be known as "Spring Holiday."
Town Renames "Good Friday" for the sake of "Cultural Sensitivity" — Todd Starnes
You (and rocket88, Redress, azreg, Fiddytree, TheGoverness, roughdraft274, calamity, Slyfox696, Kobe and some others) might want to catch a clue. MickeyW posted the story and the excerpts from it. Not one word in the OP comes from MicheyW and I don't see that he has offered his opinion on the story as of yet. Apparently the ones triggered here are the gaggle that lacked the wherewithal to realize they were reading the words of the author of the article linked in the OP, not the poster who started the thread. :roll:I'm sorry you've been triggered by people who aren't respecting your religion. Would you like for us to make you a safespace so you don't have to hear people say "fall holiday" and "spring holiday"?
Actually per the article, some of the people getting paid for these holidays are the ones that whined that they were somehow being harmed by the naming of these two days on said calendar. Personally I think the request is asinine and just another cased of city leaders throwing away common sense and the fact they represent far more than just the small but vocally whiny people so damaged by all of this. I'm going to keep an eye on this one, I would not be surprised if the decision gets reversed once public reaction comes in.Does anyone get either of these days off?
Other than maybe under contracts which allow Good Friday off as a religious observance?
If not, I don't see why it would be important for this little town to "rename" them. Or conversely, at least in the case of Columbus Day, why re-naming it locally would be an offense to anyone other than maybe the Italian-American community.
Not like it's going to affect any calendar purchases. :shrug:
I suspect there will be some fall-out and bad reactions to this story. Might even see this undone, as it is catering to a small but vocally whiny minority and not reflective of the desires of the community at large. And really you'd think some of these cities and towns that give into this kind of thing would have learned some lessons about these kinds of "causes" from other cities and communities that have already gone down these kinds of crooked roads.
You (and rocket88, Redress, azreg, Fiddytree, TheGoverness, roughdraft274, calamity, Slyfox696, Kobe and some others) might want to catch a clue. MickeyW posted the story and the excerpts from it. Not one word in the OP comes from MicheyW and I don't see that he has offered his opinion on the story as of yet. Apparently the ones triggered here are the gaggle that lacked the wherewithal to realize they were reading the words of the author of the article linked in the OP, not the poster who started the thread. :roll:
Actually per the article, some of the people getting paid for these holidays are the ones that whined that they were somehow being harmed by the naming of these two days on said calendar. Personally I think the request is asinine and just another cased of city leaders throwing away common sense and the fact they represent far more than just the small but vocally whiny people so damaged by all of this. I'm going to keep an eye on this one, I would not be surprised if the decision gets reversed once public reaction comes in.
In my experience civil servants are pretty much the only people who do get these days off. Naturally the fact that most citizens don't get these days as paid and off, did not stop the whiny minority crying about what the name of the holiday they get to have off and be paid for is. I never cease to be amazed as the needy selfishness of some people. Send the poor souls a box of Klenex and skip renaming said paid holidays "off" for these poor poor victimized cranks.:2razz:Does anyone get either of these days off?
Other than maybe under contracts which allow Good Friday off as a religious observance?
If not, I don't see why it would be important for this little town to "rename" them. Or conversely, at least in the case of Columbus Day, why re-naming it locally would be an offense to anyone other than maybe the Italian-American community.
Not like it's going to affect any calendar purchases. :shrug:
Fantastic for Calamity! Meanwhile, Calamity failed (as did others) to catch onto and make the leap to realize that the "triggered" people in this instance are the ones who were so victimized by the names Columbus Day and Good Friday. You see they not only needed a safe room to recover from their grievous injuries, but two holidays renamed for them. The poor poor souls. A box of Klenex would have sufficed IMO. :2razz:Calamity is good with calling it Christmas, Easter and Columbus Day, but I won't cry a river if we call it Winter, Spring and Fall Holiday either. We can call Memorial Day, just before summer holiday; 4th of July, mid-summer holiday, and Labor Day, end of summer Barbecue Day for all I ****ing care.
I think we have already gone a step too far. Setting aside that Columbus Day is not a religious holiday, I'm not religious at all and never have been. So I have little patience for all these Special K Princes and Princesses that get "triggered" by Christmas trees, nativity scenes and displays of Christian heritage in our history and traditions. And as we can see with Columbus Day they don't limit their triggering to just religious holidays and traditions. They set about making sure that "it" is all about them and thus society at large must bend to comfort them and their multitude of issues that trigger them. What is ironic to me is that some folks fail to notice the connection between where we are today, oh say on our college campuses? Where everything triggers all the snowflakes and they need their safe spaces in order to cope. The fact that we started catering to this mindset a few decades ago pretty much assured that we are where we are at today.I'm no longer a practicing Catholic and haven't been for decades - I greatly dislike organized religion as it presents itself today. But that doesn't mean I'm not a person who respects those who are deeply religious and practicing.
That said, it always bothers me when society continuously and "religiously" picks away at Judeo-Christian traditions and symbols in our society. Seems all other religions are to be respected and honoured, but not Christians. Perhaps it's because politicians fear being murdered in their council chambers should they dare attack Muslims but no problem attacking Christianity and its traditions because Christians will mostly just turn the other cheek.
One day, however, I believe that will change and secular society will have gone a step too far.
I never said Columbus Day was religious.
No one is trying to erase him from history. We don't have a Benito Mussolini day, or a John Hanson day, but no one pretends they didn't exist. No one is trying to erase Columbus from history, but when you actually view history, you'd see there's really just not that much to justify Columbus being recognized as having a day in his honor and there's many things we can point to which suggest he doesn't deserve any such thing.
Aside from "I hate change", do you have a legitimate argument for keeping Columbus Day and not renaming it?
That's pedantic. Seasons are one thing, already recognized holidays and renaming them to exclude the Christian holiday in favor of something allegedly more 'inclusive' is bs.They're not giving to another. They're removing the favoritism enjoyed by Christianity and making it inclusive for all. Spring holiday doesn't exclude you, but now it also doesn't exclude anyone else.
Why do you think a loss of special favors means those special favors are going to another?
Christians don't recognize Spring or Fall? Really? As a Catholic, I find this news quite shocking.
Inventing some alleged 'bossing' to justify what you want is ridiculous.How are Christians being excluded?
Of course it is. That's absurd. Just because Christians have been bossing around others for decades, that doesn't mean they aren't bossing others around. That argument makes no sense.
It's not imposing anything on anyone. Everyone can chose to observe the holiday or not. Completely up to them.Because you're wanting to impose your religious views on others. Just because it's how it may have been done for a long time, it doesn't change the fact it is imposing religious views. That argument is ridiculous.
Because that's ridiculous and not worthy of an answer.You didn't answer my question about Infallible Pope Day.
So now you want to ban all holidays? Well, that's where this is going isn't it? Or perhaps nothing but 'generic' holidays? Both of those are beyond ridiculous.The end result is about not endorsing any one religion over another. Just because Christians are losing ONE of the recognized holidays (and only by one town, but we'll extrapolate it out to society at large), it still doesn't change Christmas and Easter are not going anywhere. It doesn't change the fact everything grinds to a halt on the day after Thanksgiving because of Christmas or that everything grinds to a halt in the last week of December for Christmas. It doesn't change the fact so many schools are in recess during Easter week.
So removing something from someone isn't an attack? That's a flawed argument.You are trying to put forth the idea that Christianity is under attack in America, simply because all of the special privileges and recognition they've always enjoyed are starting to be scaled back. That's just silly.
It would be catering to those who are Christian, for whom the day was originally named. Good Friday is a Christian observance, so it excludes everyone who is not Christian. By renaming it "Spring Holiday", it now becomes a holiday which can be observed by all people of all faiths (or non-faiths).
Again, this is the problem so many people have with Christians. Christianity has received special privileges in this country for the longest time and now that some efforts are being made to put everyone on an equal footing, Christians think they are being persecuted. Being treated as equal is not being persecuted.
In my experience civil servants are pretty much the only people who do get these days off. Naturally the fact that most citizens don't get these days as paid and off, did not stop the whiny minority crying about what the name of the holiday they get to have off and be paid for is. I never cease to be amazed as the needy selfishness of some people. Send the poor souls a box of Klenex and skip renaming said paid holidays "off" for these poor poor victimized cranks.:2razz:
I'm no longer a practicing Catholic and haven't been for decades - I greatly dislike organized religion as it presents itself today. But that doesn't mean I'm not a person who respects those who are deeply religious and practicing.
That said, it always bothers me when society continuously and "religiously" picks away at Judeo-Christian traditions and symbols in our society. Seems all other religions are to be respected and honoured, but not Christians. Perhaps it's because politicians fear being murdered in their council chambers should they dare attack Muslims but no problem attacking Christianity and its traditions because Christians will mostly just turn the other cheek.
One day, however, I believe that will change and secular society will have gone a step too far.
Should have named it Sharia Law Day and they would have received nationwide accolades from the leftists.
I'm sorry you've been triggered by people who aren't respecting your religion. Would you like for us to make you a safespace so you don't have to hear people say "fall holiday" and "spring holiday"?
Personally I would say that sounds like a real affront to Christians.
IMO, its just a way of people today seeking to break from the ways, traditions of the nation.
we have people who want to remake society today distance from society which came before them
It's not a legitimate one.Actually...hating change is a good reason.
It wasn't change for the sake of change. It was change to remove the name of a man who simply wasn't a very good man, nor did he really do what we give him credit for, from a day celebrated by all Americans.Change for the sake of Change is ****ing stupid.
You think deciding not to honor a terrible person is political correctness? So if there's a push to honor Joseph Stalin, and people come out against it, they are being politically correct?What is your reason for wanting it to change? Political correctness?!
Not to Americans. :shrug:As for importance: first lasting European contact with the new world, pretty Important or no?
They are not excluding Christians at all. That's absurd.That's pedantic. Seasons are one thing, already recognized holidays and renaming them to exclude the Christian holiday in favor of something allegedly more 'inclusive' is bs.
Inventing? You're joking, right? Christians have been using their religion to attempt to boss people around since the beginning of this country, from slavery to gender and racial oppression to modern day examples of denying homosexual marriage, Christians have been bossing people around for the longest time.Inventing some alleged 'bossing' to justify what you want is ridiculous.
Neither is Spring Holiday. :shrug:It's not imposing anything on anyone.
Of course it is. It's exactly what you're wanting. You're wanting an Infallible Pope Day, a day which appeals only to your religious sensibilities, except you want to call it Good Friday. It is the exact same thing.Because that's ridiculous and not worthy of an answer.
No one has said that. :shrug:So now you want to ban all holidays?
:lol:Well, that's where this is going isn't it?
Of course it's not a flawed argument. It's not about removing "something", it's about removing special privileges only Christians have been allowed to enjoy. If the federal government were to attempt to pass a law stating all Christians were no longer allowed free speech, then THAT removal would be an attack. But removing Christians from an elevated status and bringing them back down to the same level as everyone else is not an attack.So removing something from someone isn't an attack? That's a flawed argument.
No it's not, because I'm not anti-tradition. What I am is anti-discrimination. You, on the other hand, seem to have no problem with governmental discrimination so long as it favors you.It's pretty clear that you are anti-tradition
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Christians can enjoy Fall or Spring Holiday just like everyone else. But now everyone else can celebrate that day too.
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Right...as long as everyone tap dances around your religion, you have no problem. Not surprisingly you still haven't answered my question.If you want to invent a 'Fall Holiday' and / or a 'Spring Holiday', but leave the existing ones in place, I don't care, I'm fine with that.
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No, it's not going there. First of all, Easter is always on Sunday, so it will never affect governmental operations. Second of all, Christmas has not only not been reduced in importance, it has literally been expanded to be about two months long in society. It's not going anywhere.
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Whenever you hear a liberal talking about cultural diversity and sensitivity it normally means something insensitive is about to happen to Christians.
The latest case in point: Bloomington, Indiana - the home of Indiana University and a nesting place for a gaggle of intolerant liberals.
Mayor John Hamilton recently announced that are renaming two paid holidays for city workers -- in an effort to respect "differing cultures."
Columbus Day will henceforth be known as "Fall Holiday" and Good Friday will be known as "Spring Holiday."
Town Renames "Good Friday" for the sake of "Cultural Sensitivity" — Todd Starnes
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