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Top US general doubts Iran proof

Maximus Zeebra said:
We all know there is no proof of Iran involvement...
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Quite presumptuous. "We all" don't know any such thing, one way or the other. We do know that the remains of some EFP/IEDs have been traced to Iranian manufacturers. We don't know whether or not the Iranian government has been complicit in the furnishing of these devices to elements of the insurgency in Iraq.
 
The General might as well turn in his resignation now. We have seen what happens to the Generals that disagree with what Bush says.
 
oldreliable67 said:
Quite presumptuous. "We all" don't know any such thing, one way or the other. We do know that the remains of some EFP/IEDs have been traced to Iranian manufacturers. We don't know whether or not the Iranian government has been complicit in the furnishing of these devices to elements of the insurgency in Iraq.
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There is absolutely no doubt that this is something the Bush administration is staging, the NIE of the US disagree with the Bush government, the general do and the whole world knows that there was no WMDs in Iraq, many knew even before that war.
 
Is a little basic analysis so difficult, so hard to do that you have to resort to inane claims like this? Reality doesn't come in sound bites, take some time to figure out whether what you're claiming is true or not.

"We know that the explosively formed projectiles are manufactured in Iran," Gen Pace said while visiting Australia.

"But I would not say by what I know that the Iranian government clearly knows or is complicit."
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"There's no contradiction that the weapons are there and they were provided by the Quds force," an Iranian paramilitary unit, Bush said.

He added: "We know that. And we also know that the Quds force is a part of the Iranian government. That's a known. What we don't know is whether or not the head leaders of Iran ordered the Quds force to do what they did."
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Tony Snow, President George W. Bush’s press secretary, insisted that the administration and General Pace were “not on separate pages”.

Mr Snow said that the apparent differences were because the general, who was airborne yesterday and could not be contacted, had been very precise in his use of language.

While the US did not have a “signed piece of paper” from the Iranian leadership authorising the weapons supply, al-Quds was “part of the Army and part of the Government”, he said.
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Is the semantical issue here really that difficult to understand?
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
BBC NEWS | Americas | Top US general doubts Iran proof


We all know there is no proof of Iran involvement... Its like trying to frame a murder on someone using green socks because a so called witness saw the murderer having either green or blue socks.
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Source: the BBC. Enough said. :liar2

Beyond that though, the point of this article and this post defies common sense.

Gen Peter Pace (from your source):

"What [the evidence] does say is that things made in Iran are being used in Iraq to kill coalition soldiers."

Yeah, what a gigantic leap it is to guess the weapons being made in Iran's tightly run dictatorship that keep showing up in Iraq along with Iranian military members (being repeatedly caught with terrorist cells) might indicate the Iranian government is involved.

:lol:
 
And now you guys will complain that we're going to start a new war with Iran and pull everyone into WWIII.You guys just can't shut up can you?

We're not looking for a damn war with Iran.The point is the idea that they could become a threat and they're helping our enemies is a SLIGHT problem.
 
RightatNYU said:
Is a little basic analysis so difficult, so hard to do that you have to resort to inane claims like this? Reality doesn't come in sound bites, take some time to figure out whether what you're claiming is true or not.

Is the semantical issue here really that difficult to understand?
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Your problem is that you are listening to the administration..

Great, Bush said it, now I have proof. :roll:
 
aquapub said:
Source: the BBC. Enough said. :liar2

Beyond that though, the point of this article and this post defies common sense.

Gen Peter Pace (from your source):

"What [the evidence] does say is that things made in Iran are being used in Iraq to kill coalition soldiers."

Yeah, what a gigantic leap it is to guess the weapons being made in Iran's tightly run dictatorship that keep showing up in Iraq along with Iranian military members (being repeatedly caught with terrorist cells) might indicate the Iranian government is involved.

:lol:
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BBC is credited with being the most credible international news source in the world, more than one can say about the US propaganda channels FoxNews etc.
Even CNN seems radical at times. To Europeans CNN seems rightwing. To the world, Europeans seem rightwing.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Yeah, sure.. The US government claimed Iraq had WMDs before going to that war, and, hey, they didnt.
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Psssst. That was Iraq. We're now talking about Iran. The difference is the last letter of each country's name.
 
aquapub said:
Intellectual dishonesty is the mother of liberal rhetoric.
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I hope you go to Iran, nothing would be better for Europe...

Nothing would be worse for the US.

The US would loose all the influence they have not lost after going to Iraq, the US credability would be 0, the Euro would become the world currency, European credability would have a huge boost.

Great go ahead and discredit others intellectual honesty when you know nothing about yourself and how you come off.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
I hope you go to Iran, nothing would be better for Europe...

Nothing would be worse for the US.

The US would loose all the influence they have not lost after going to Iraq, the US credability would be 0, the Euro would become the world currency, European credability would have a huge boost.

Great go ahead and discredit others intellectual honesty when you know nothing about yourself and how you come off.
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Oh brother.
 
FierceEnigma12z said:
And now you guys will complain that we're going to start a new war with Iran and pull everyone into WWIII.You guys just can't shut up can you?

We're not looking for a damn war with Iran.The point is the idea that they could become a threat and they're helping our enemies is a SLIGHT problem.
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The problem is that the US illegitimately is in Iraq not that Iran is helping something I dont think they are. I think many people from Iran is in Iraq yes, I think people frm all over the middle east is in Iraq, but hey, if you werent there wrongly in the first place, you wouldnt need to complain would you?
 
Hatuey said:
Psssst. That was Iraq. We're now talking about Iran. The difference is the last letter of each country's name.
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Yeah, and after Iran, when 100.000 US soldiers have died, the middle east is on flame, China have invaded Taiwan and the Koreas are in trouble. After the US have managed to make the middle east far worse than it was in 2001, everyone will know what we know about Iraq now, US intelligence was fake or wrong.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Yeah, and after Iran, when 100.000 US soldiers have died, the middle east is on flame, China have invaded Taiwan and the Koreas are in trouble. After the US have managed to make the middle east far worse than it was in 2001, everyone will know what we know about Iraq now, US intelligence was fake or wrong.
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So was that of every intelligency who agreed with the CIA. The UK's included. You europeans aren't willing to accept that your leaders are just as guilty of what is happening in Iraq as American politicians are. Your hallucinations of European supremacy are laughable at best and eerily disturbing at worst. But go ahead. Negotiate with terrorists all you want. We'll just wait to read the headlines talking about the latest train or bus bombing in Europe.
 
Hatuey said:
So was that of every intelligency who agreed with the CIA. The UK's included. You europeans aren't willing to accept that your leaders are just as guilty of what is happening in Iraq as American politicians are. Your hallucinations of European supremacy are laughable at best and eerily disturbing at worst. But go ahead. Negotiate with terrorists all you want. We'll just wait to read the headlines talking about the latest train or bus bombing in Europe.
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Yeah, of course, Iran "is terrorists".. Why dont the US try diplomacy for once? Heh? Because it will not gain the US right? If they try diplomacy it might mean the US dont have to invade, so the US try to avoid such "supremacy".

Newsflash, the madrid bombing came because of the Iraq war, the London bombing came because of the Iraq war, that is what the purpetrators stated before/after the attacks for those alive.

The next big attack will take place in London or the US guaranteed. The first terrorist nuclear attack will take place in the US.. Good luck with all that, I prefer Europe not to get involved so we dont have to switch the hatred from the US towards us like the UK did.
 
Hatuey said:
So was that of every intelligency who agreed with the CIA. The UK's included. You europeans aren't willing to accept that your leaders are just as guilty of what is happening in Iraq as American politicians are. Your hallucinations of European supremacy are laughable at best and eerily disturbing at worst. But go ahead. Negotiate with terrorists all you want. We'll just wait to read the headlines talking about the latest train or bus bombing in Europe.
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No, we arent as guilty. We didnt push for war, especially after Hans Blix and his gang said Iraq had no such weapons.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Yeah, of course, Iran "is terrorists".. Why dont the US try diplomacy for once? Heh? Because it will not gain the US right? If they try diplomacy it might mean the US dont have to invade, so the US try to avoid such "supremacy".
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Are you out of your ****ing mind? The U.S. try diplomacy with terrorists? What do you sugest. We sit down with our mortal enemies like Nevil Chamberlain and find a way to please people who want our women to wear hijabs and our schools to be 24/7 Qu'ranic studies? In the words of TOT. **** off.

Newsflash, the madrid bombing came because of the Iraq war, the London bombing came because of the Iraq war, that is what the purpetrators stated before/after the attacks for those alive.
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Oh lord. Do you honestly think these are the only attacks Europe has had on it's soil and has done nothing about? What about the Munich Olympic games? What about Athens 1968? Swiss Airflight 330? The Chopin-Express?Air France Flight 139? All of these happened long before the Iraq war and your leaders still refused to do anything. For years you europeans have been constantly attacked and you have failed to do anything but bow down to the people attacking you.

The next big attack will take place in London or the US guaranteed. The first terrorist nuclear attack will take place in the US.. Good luck with all that, I prefer Europe not to get involved so we dont have to switch the hatred from the US towards us like the UK did.
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What? Do you read everything you type before you click "submit reply"? You should. It helps when it comes to not wanting to look like a complete imbecile.
 
I'd bet money that the WMDs are in the Bekka Valley of Syria, moved by the Iraqis, Sryians, and Russians prior to the war. As for going to war with Iran, the fact of the matter is we know they are supplying weapons and training to the insurgency. Question is: are the high members of the Iranian dictatorship ordering it. I dont know what is scarier, the fact that they do know about it, or the fact that they DON'T. But the one thing I do know is that if we do get into it with Iran, I hope it happens during the Bush admin. Sure it would give all those liberals something more to complain about and whine what a terrible president he was, but at least the threat would be taken care of before a Democrat takes office. By then there would be no hope of an intervention because all the Dems want to do is talk to them, that is their solution to everything "we have to talk to them, ask them to stop making nukes." You can't talk to people like that....when we talk all they hear is "blah blah, we're the Satan infide, kill us! kill us!" How do you talk with a man who wants "Israel wiped off the map" and who refuses help in making nuclear energy for electricity because he wants to do it in privacy? Not even a nuclear strike in Tel Aviv whether it be carried out by Iran itself or supplied by them, would push the Dems into action.

-And by the way your little estimate of 100,000 US deaths would be way off.
a conflict with Iran would not be primarily fought with ground troops. Other than commandos and spec. ops. we probably wouldn't even set foot in the country. It would mostly consist of precision bombing of pre-selected installations from the air and sea. The only nukes used (if used) would be low yield mini-nukes which detonate underground.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
The first terrorist nuclear attack will take place in the US.. Good luck with all that, I prefer Europe not to get involved so we dont have to switch the hatred from the US towards us like the UK did.
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This quote right here sums up all that is wrong with Europeans such as yourself. What a joke.

Absolute abdication of responsibility.:roll:

"I prefer France not to get involved with defending itself against the Nazis. Maybe if we just send them all our jews and collaborate, they will not switch their hatred toward us."
 
The reality of it is that we don't positively know one way or the other.

Iran could be providing insurgents with these weapons.

Or, Iran could have nothing whatsoever to do with it.

There is no concrete proof either way.

However, Much of the evidence that I have seen/heard/read points toward Iran providing weapons and such to those terrorists in Iraq.

If this is proven, I would probably support some kind of military action against the supply chains transporting said weapons. After all, those weapons have been killing our troops.
 
Hatuey said:
Are you out of your ****ing mind? The U.S. try diplomacy with terrorists? What do you sugest. We sit down with our mortal enemies like Nevil Chamberlain and find a way to please people who want our women to wear hijabs and our schools to be 24/7 Qu'ranic studies? In the words of TOT. **** off.



Oh lord. Do you honestly think these are the only attacks Europe has had on it's soil and has done nothing about? What about the Munich Olympic games? What about Athens 1968? Swiss Airflight 330? The Chopin-Express?Air France Flight 139? All of these happened long before the Iraq war and your leaders still refused to do anything. For years you europeans have been constantly attacked and you have failed to do anything but bow down to the people attacking you.



What? Do you read everything you type before you click "submit reply"? You should. It helps when it comes to not wanting to look like a complete imbecile.
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Iran is not terrorists.. You are confusing concepts here, that is your own doing, I am not going to teach you about this stuff. Iran is a nation btw.

Europe had terrorist attacks, yeah, but life goes on, just because 0.000001% of our poulation were killed in one terrorist attack doesnt mean we have to start world war 3, or focus every energy on terrorism and forget everything else. Thats the US way, not the European way, we are more laid back, ok? deal with it.

Who are you to judge other bases on opinions? Your opinions are imbacil to me, but yet I wouldnt call you that. You clearly do not know what an imbacil is.. :eek:
 
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