"Top Secret America" is a project nearly two years in the making that describes the huge national security buildup in the United States after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
Every nation on this planet has its secrets or blood in its hands. There is nothing creepy about this. I am pretty sure there was a lot of secret agents, etc before Bush. There is nothing wrong with that.
I'm a good citizen - I don't stick my nose in anything that's labeled 'top secret' because when the **** hits the fat - I don't want to be standing in front of it.
They do. As do their employers. The general public does not need to know.Nah, it is creepy. This organization doesn't even know what it does and it is in complete disarray. Who knows what the hell these public employed private companies are doing?
I defy you to show me evidence that govt contractors "don't know what they're doing". Having been one for awhile, I can assure you that we most certainy did.They don’t even know what they are doing and expanding rapidly..
What is bothersome, exactly?This doesn’t bother you? What would if that didn’t?
They do. As do their employers. The general public does not need to know.
I defy you to show me evidence that govt contractors "don't know what they're doing". Having been one for awhile, I can assure you that we most certainy did.
What is bothersome, exactly?
The only real issue is communication between govt organizations.
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Ben Kenobi’s voice "These are not the droids your looking for" .. lol
No I don't think integration of private enterprise and government leads to less government. It leads to crony capitalism and it is deeply fascist what your saying actually. I did link an interview with the reporter who explains all they found after the 2 year investigation.
I dislike private companies with their own prerogatives making use of top secret information derived from governmental private information of individuals. Which would be a clear violation of privacy rights to anyone with a conscience.
Can you explain to me the difference between a citizen under contract with the government having a top secret clearance and a citizen in the employ of the government having top secret clearance?
I think your referring to corporations having top secret clearance .. unlike the law I do not look at corporations with private for profit motives outside interests the same as an individual. They are not ethically the same.
Corporations do not have top secret clearances. They employ people that do so that they can do top secret work.
??? How does this dispute what I said? Individuals get top secret clearances. Private businesses employ people with top secret clearances to do top secret work. They must adhere to certain federal guidelines in order to get top secret contracts, but that does not mean that a "top secret clearance" is issued to a corporation. WTF would that mean, anyway? It's the individuals that do the work, the individuals who require the clearances.
At the risk of the clearance and going to prison, sure. They certainly *could*. ANY individual could do that with any information they obtain through their job. But that is the whole point of getting a clearance, to mitigate that risk.Look clearly the corporations are involved with particular employees with two allegiance. It is intellectually dishonest to make claim they could not use the information whatever it is for the profit of the corporation.
No, you don't know what's going on specifically because you do not have top secret clearance. That's kind of the point. If you did know specifically what was going on, then that would mean all that "private information" you're so concerned about would be public knowledge. The businesses under govt contracts are answerable to the government. Who is then answerable to US.Of course they are not answerable to the public so we don't know what is going on specifically.
No, Blackwater doesn't answer to the public. They answer to their employers who then answer to the public.Its like the military depending on "blackwater" to do the same job.. only Blackwater is a private organisation and doesn't answer to the public.
What should be an outrage? You've yet to reallly clarify what it is exactly that we should all be so concerned about. That the government issues top secret clearances?It truly is mind boggling how you just mindlessly accept this as appropriate. I don’t imagine any amount of evidence would convince you of otherwise. To a normal person this should be quite an outrage.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates and CIA Director Leon Panetta are concerned about the role private contractors play in intelligence operations, The Washington Post reported Tuesday.
In the second installment of a series about the sprawling U.S. intelligence apparatus, the Post estimated that nearly one-third of the 854,000 Americans with top-secret security clearances are private contractors.
Panetta told the Post he agrees that is a problem.
"For too long, we've depended on contractors to do the operational work that ought to be done" by CIA employees, Panetta said.
Panetta also said he was concerned that corporations owe more responsibility to their shareholders than to their country, "and that does present an inherent conflict."
Gates agreed, telling the Post, "You want somebody who's really in it for a career because they're passionate about it and because they care about the country and not just because of the money."
Gates and Panetta were interviewed during the Post's two-year investigation into the mushrooming growth of U.S. intelligence and counterterror operations since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001
I'm still not getting why it's so concerning. Does it really matter if the people are actual govt employees or private contractors if they're doing the same things?
What is the difference? If the contractors mess up, they lose the contract. It's in their best interest to do what the govt wants them to do in the manner in which the govt wants them to do it.
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