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agreed, but that stuff seems to be out of style, especially in California.... the mob can vote on anything out there ( ballot initiatives) if they can find 500k signatures ( 800k for constitutional amendments)
no way in hell will they restrict voting on human rights or equal treatment though..... the only qualifier for a ballot initiative is signatures..content/substance is not restricted
All of those have recanted, I believe, and they also say the Bible doesn't directly speak against it. However, the Bible does speak against homosexuality. It's not the same, you compared apples and oranges.
All of those have recanted, I believe, and they also say the Bible doesn't directly speak against it. However, the Bible does speak against homosexuality. It's not the same, you compared apples and oranges.
At this point we weren't talking about legal issues. However, interracial marriage is not in the Bible as a sin, however, homosexuality is in black and white as not only being a sin, but an abomination.It doesn't matter whether they "recanted" or not (but no, many of them did not recant and believed that until they died). They held this beliefs, and there are still a lot of people in the South who hold the belief that the Bible is against interracial marriages. You have no place to tell them they are wrong just because you believe differently, otherwise you are a hypocrite telling others who believe the Bible speaks against temple prostitution/sex involving same sex partners and divorce, not homosexuality, same sex relationships, or same sex marriages. It is their interpretation of the Bible, and under the freedom of religion guaranteed by the Constitution, they have a right to that belief. But, their beliefs nor yours belong in our laws, so that is why restrictions on laws should be based on legitimate state interests, not the pure vote of the people nor tradition, but especially not what the Bible or any other religious beliefs say on an issue.
Do you proclaim to be "Christian" David? Please show where the man you claim to worship said anything about homosexuality. We will be waiting to see if you can support your imagined "Christian" beliefs.
As I understand it, this is not the case. There is, in fact a review process. It obviously isn't perfect, but it's there.
I have provided that numerous times on these boards actually. It is in Corinthians, Galatians, Leviticus, Romans, need I go on?
At this point we weren't talking about legal issues. However, interracial marriage is not in the Bible as a sin, however, homosexuality is in black and white as not only being a sin, but an abomination.
Leviticus...seriously? The whole....shellfish, clothing of two fibers abominations? I'm asking about the man you claim to worship....where did Jesus Christ ever condemn homosexuality? Please.....we will all wait for your response.
All of those have recanted, I believe, and they also say the Bible doesn't directly speak against it. However, the Bible does speak against homosexuality. It's not the same, you compared apples and oranges.
Actually the Bible speaks against same sex rape, not homosexuality. But that is a matter of interpretation. Some day you will recant when it becomes clear your interpretation is just as baseless as theirs was.
Actually the Bible speaks against same sex rape, not homosexuality. But that is a matter of interpretation. Some day you will recant when it becomes clear your interpretation is just as baseless as theirs was.
At this point we weren't talking about legal issues. However, interracial marriage is not in the Bible as a sin, however, homosexuality is in black and white as not only being a sin, but an abomination.
Jesus condemned sin repeatedly.
Whether you want to interpret things in the Bible a certain way or not, others believed wholeheartedly that the Bible said that interracial relationships are a sin. (Some still believe this.)
And you cannot tell others that they cannot believe that, however wrong you may find their beliefs to be.
But never homosexuality nor same sex relationships specifically. Nor does it fall under his "do unto others" rule that he said was the foundation for all the other rules of what is sin.
That actually is not true, read Romans.
Except you can show them that it isn't written there.
Jesus did not have to address every sin. That wsn't his purpose. And the do unto others is a bit taken out of context. He never said to condone sin.
He addressed every sin though, in his statement about the laws of the prophets coming down to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Homosexuality nor same sex relationships break this rule so they aren't a sin.
That is not what Jesus said at all. He did not say that anything that doesn't conform to that is not sin. Glad you like to makeup stuff though.
Right, because homophobic conservatives didn't get their way, therefore the people must have not had a voice. How about the voice of the same sex couples in California and around the nation?
Then your problem is with those additional laws and policies, so you cannot legitimately claim it is same sex couples getting married that affects you, but those additional laws and policies, which you are completely free to complain about. You cannot use them against ssm though because that is not how the laws on equality and rights work.
He did. Interpretation is everything. And that is the point. You cannot tell others that legally they cannot believe the Bible said certain things about whatever. You are free to believe they are wrong, just as many believe you are wrong. But none of those beliefs can be part of or considered in our laws.
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