To All Our Supposed Constitutional Scholars and Their Limited Understanding On Checks and Balances🧨🧨🧨

[trumptman]

In all these threads you have the same red faces and crying liberals repeatedly asserting that the judicial branch is the final arbiter of the law, that everything it issues a ruling on must be followed and no one is allowed to question or ignore their rulings.

A PRESIDENT ISN'T A KING!

So this thread is to help improve your understanding of the Constitution and help get you to the next steps of your coping about these matters. Well actually you'll just see how your defense of Biden pardons completely screwed you (yet again) and how you are going to have to cry some more.

First we already have the issue of Presidential Immunity that has been settled.

Presidential immunity in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

On July 1, 2024, the Supreme Court ruled in Trump v. United States that presidents have absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for those official acts which fall within their "exclusive sphere of constitutional authority". For those official acts that do not fall within this inner core, but nevertheless within "the outer perimeter of his official responsibility", a president enjoys at least a presumptive immunity. When it comes to unofficial acts, there is no immunity.[48] The case was returned to the lower courts to determine whether Trump's actions related to the January 6, 2021, attacks on the U.S. Capitol were official or not, and if so, then to which degree of immunity they would be entitled.

So if this is a core Article II power, immigration for example, the President has absolute immunity. Even if a lone judge wants to declare the President broke the law, they're going to be ignored because we have a clear ruling on this matter.

However let's imagine several judges all declare the entire Trump administration is generally lawless and going full rogue and acting unconstitutionally on a massive number of matters. How do they fix that after their rulings are issued?

The answer is.... they make referrasl to the EXECUTIVE BRANCH who then has that role of EXECUTING AND ENFORCING THE LAWS.

So when that executive branch doesn't act on it, then the judges have done all they can do. ALL they can do is issue their ruling. All enforcement is beyond their branch of government.

We've seen this in reverse with Biden not enforcing loan provisions for loans he claimed he had forgiven, basically also not requiring those agencies he didn't want doing work to come into work and lastly just not engaging in any immigration enforcement. Judges would rule against it but that is all they can do.

So the President enforces the laws including against himself if a judge were to issue a ruling.

So now you have a lawless President, who's job is it to stop him or her?

Well a judge can issue a ruling but again that is all they can do. The other check and balance on this is CONGRESS. They would have to impeach if they really felt like the bar were high enough in these matters.

Finally we have the "Biden standard" for the final way a President can check and balance the judiciary and that is PARDON POWER.

We've just had a bunch of very fun leftists fully justify BLANKET Biden pardons for broad swaths of time and for uncharged or even unknown federal crimes.

President Trump can issue blanket pardons for any member of his administration that any judge declares is breaking the law or ignoring their case law and rulings.

But...but...but....

No it is a Presidential power and it cannot be litigated or adjudicated per those on the left. It can't be revoked, questioned, or ruled against.

I mean sure these folks will change their mind on that the SECOND the name TRUMP is inserted but hey, double standards are the only standard for them.

If a lone judge wants to make themselves President they can be ignored. Their rulings will have no teeth because the enforcement mechanism is the President. Any law they declare was broken or any person they would try to imprison can just be pardoned by the President.

The checks and balances go both ways, not just one way. Learn it, live it, love it.

 

[Slavister]

This would have been shorter, you know:

SCOTUS made him King(*).

(*) except maybe congress could impeach him but we all know how that goes.

 

[j brown's body]

Trump pardons corrupt cohorts all the time.

When the court ruled against him, Biden didn't ignore it. He changed the structure of the loan forgiveness.

Otherwise, you seem to be arguing that there is no check on Trump's power, and for the most part, you're right.

He is willing to intimate legislators with primary battles and ignore judges.

We are in a unique time.

 

[Integrityrespec]

In all these threads you have the same red faces and crying liberals repeatedly asserting that the judicial branch is the final arbiter of the law, that everything it issues a ruling on must be followed and no one is allowed to question or ignore their rulings.

A PRESIDENT ISN'T A KING!

So this thread is to help improve your understanding of the Constitution and help get you to the next steps of your coping about these matters. Well actually you'll just see how your defense of Biden pardons completely screwed you (yet again) and how you are going to have to cry some more.

First we already have the issue of Presidential Immunity that has been settled.

Presidential immunity in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So if this is a core Article II power, immigration for example, the President has absolute immunity. Even if a lone judge wants to declare the President broke the law, they're going to be ignored because we have a clear ruling on this matter.

However let's imagine several judges all declare the entire Trump administration is generally lawless and going full rogue and acting unconstitutionally on a massive number of matters. How do they fix that after their rulings are issued?

The answer is.... they make referrasl to the EXECUTIVE BRANCH who then has that role of EXECUTING AND ENFORCING THE LAWS.

So when that executive branch doesn't act on it, then the judges have done all they can do. ALL they can do is issue their ruling. All enforcement is beyond their branch of government.

We've seen this in reverse with Biden not enforcing loan provisions for loans he claimed he had forgiven, basically also not requiring those agencies he didn't want doing work to come into work and lastly just not engaging in any immigration enforcement. Judges would rule against it but that is all they can do.

So the President enforces the laws including against himself if a judge were to issue a ruling.

So now you have a lawless President, who's job is it to stop him or her?

Well a judge can issue a ruling but again that is all they can do. The other check and balance on this is CONGRESS. They would have to impeach if they really felt like the bar were high enough in these matters.

Finally we have the "Biden standard" for the final way a President can check and balance the judiciary and that is PARDON POWER.

We've just had a bunch of very fun leftists fully justify BLANKET Biden pardons for broad swaths of time and for uncharged or even unknown federal crimes.

President Trump can issue blanket pardons for any member of his administration that any judge declares is breaking the law or ignoring their case law and rulings.

But...but...but....

No it is a Presidential power and it cannot be litigated or adjudicated per those on the left. It can't be revoked, questioned, or ruled against.

I mean sure these folks will change their mind on that the SECOND the name TRUMP is inserted but hey, double standards are the only standard for them.

If a lone judge wants to make themselves President they can be ignored. Their rulings will have no teeth because the enforcement mechanism is the President. Any law they declare was broken or any person they would try to imprison can just be pardoned by the President.

The checks and balances go both ways, not just one way. Learn it, live it, love it.

The left wants to destroy the country, make it something it is not. They believe women ought to be forced to compete with biological men in their sports. Crazy. They want democrats to make crazy decisions that the court says is illegal, Biden's loan forgiveness, then say they'll do it anyway. The democrats think firebombind Tesla's is a ood way to protest the government trying to get ride of fraud, waste and abuse in spending. The democrats believe dangerous criminal illegal immigrants wo were deported for crimes ought to be brought back to the U.S. That's the democrats.

 

[j brown's body]

The left wants to destroy the country, make it something it is not. They believe women ought to be forced to compete with biological men in their sports. Crazy. They want democrats to make crazy decisions that the court says is illegal, Biden's loan forgiveness, then say they'll do it anyway. The democrats think firebombind Tesla's is a ood way to protest the government trying to get ride of fraud, waste and abuse in spending. The democrats believe dangerous criminal illegal immigrants wo were deported for crimes ought to be brought back to the U.S. That's the democrats.

You seriously think a dozen or so transgenders participating in women's sports, something they've always done, is destroying the country?

God, to credit this small, struggling group of people such malignant power is so terribly dangerous and cruel.

I don't recognize my own country anymore.

 

[StillBallin75]

You seriously think a dozen or so transgenders participating in women's sports, something they've always done, is destroying the country?

God, to credit this small, struggling group of people such malignant power is so terribly dangerous and cruel.

I don't recognize my own country anymore.

Right wingers: Why are you so triggered, snowflake?

Also right wingers when 5 grade school transgenders play girls sports: I'M LOSING MY COUNTRY IT'S BEING DESTROYED

 

[Ikari]

How many threads you gonna make about this?

The judicial review going on against Trump's orders is a valid exercise of judicial review.

Listen, we know you're very upset because Dear Leader got told "no". You don't like when Dear Leader is told "no". I imagine Mao's and Stalin's supporters weren't happy when their Dear Leader was told "no" as well. But just being upset at the checks and balances of the system, by the judicial review process, doesn't make it improper.

Trump wanted to get around the courts for deportations, he tried to evoke AEA. AEA has stipulations necessary to be used, stipulations which have not been met right now. The courts paused his EO evoking that law for review. That's just part of the process.

Your Dear Leader ain't king yet, I know P2025 and the MAGA desire is to make him so; but right now there are still some remnants of the Old Republic that get in his way. Sorry.

 

[Bubber]

In all these threads you have the same red faces and crying liberals repeatedly asserting that the judicial branch is the final arbiter of the law, that everything it issues a ruling on must be followed and no one is allowed to question or ignore their rulings.

A PRESIDENT ISN'T A KING!

So this thread is to help improve your understanding of the Constitution and help get you to the next steps of your coping about these matters. Well actually you'll just see how your defense of Biden pardons completely screwed you (yet again) and how you are going to have to cry some more.

First we already have the issue of Presidential Immunity that has been settled.

Presidential immunity in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So if this is a core Article II power, immigration for example, the President has absolute immunity. Even if a lone judge wants to declare the President broke the law, they're going to be ignored because we have a clear ruling on this matter.

However let's imagine several judges all declare the entire Trump administration is generally lawless and going full rogue and acting unconstitutionally on a massive number of matters. How do they fix that after their rulings are issued?

The answer is.... they make referrasl to the EXECUTIVE BRANCH who then has that role of EXECUTING AND ENFORCING THE LAWS.

So when that executive branch doesn't act on it, then the judges have done all they can do. ALL they can do is issue their ruling. All enforcement is beyond their branch of government.

We've seen this in reverse with Biden not enforcing loan provisions for loans he claimed he had forgiven, basically also not requiring those agencies he didn't want doing work to come into work and lastly just not engaging in any immigration enforcement. Judges would rule against it but that is all they can do.

So the President enforces the laws including against himself if a judge were to issue a ruling.

So now you have a lawless President, who's job is it to stop him or her?

Well a judge can issue a ruling but again that is all they can do. The other check and balance on this is CONGRESS. They would have to impeach if they really felt like the bar were high enough in these matters.

Finally we have the "Biden standard" for the final way a President can check and balance the judiciary and that is PARDON POWER.

We've just had a bunch of very fun leftists fully justify BLANKET Biden pardons for broad swaths of time and for uncharged or even unknown federal crimes.

President Trump can issue blanket pardons for any member of his administration that any judge declares is breaking the law or ignoring their case law and rulings.

But...but...but....

No it is a Presidential power and it cannot be litigated or adjudicated per those on the left. It can't be revoked, questioned, or ruled against.

I mean sure these folks will change their mind on that the SECOND the name TRUMP is inserted but hey, double standards are the only standard for them.

If a lone judge wants to make themselves President they can be ignored. Their rulings will have no teeth because the enforcement mechanism is the President. Any law they declare was broken or any person they would try to imprison can just be pardoned by the President.

The checks and balances go both ways, not just one way. Learn it, live it, love it.

I don't think I have ever seen someone more confidently wrong. Astonishing.

 

[trumptman]

How many threads you gonna make about this?

I’ve made exactly one thread about the various checks and balances against the judiciary.

The judicial review going on against Trump's orders is a valid exercise of judicial review.

As determined by who? You make the case for the thread because there is a check on the judiciary. They can be impeached. Their rulings can lack enforcement. Anyone they try to hold in contempt can be pardoned.

Listen, we know you're very upset because Dear Leader got told "no". You don't like when Dear Leader is told "no". I imagine Mao's and Stalin's supporters weren't happy when their Dear Leader was told "no" as well. But just being upset at the checks and balances of the system, by the judicial review process, doesn't make it improper.

I’m not the running and crying to the courts. That is the left and it is clear that it is the last refuge for them since elections, prosecutions and assassinations didn’t work. Keep citing other leftists as examples of Trump support. The left are torching Tesla’s threatening others, and engaging in terrrorism.

Trump wanted to get around the courts for deportations, he tried to evoke AEA. AEA has stipulations necessary to be used, stipulations which have not been met right now. The courts paused his EO evoking that law for review. That's just part of the process.

The language of it is clear and Trump met it. It isn’t part of the process for a judge to issue rulings via a phone call, and then harass the DOJ about details for enforcement of his supposed TRO. Enforcement isn’t his role.

Your Dear Leader ain't king yet, I know P2025 and the MAGA desire is to make him so; but right now there are still some remnants of the Old Republic that get in his way. Sorry.

Enjoy your conspiracy theory.

 

[trumptman]

I don't think I have ever seen someone more confidently wrong. Astonishing.

I sound as confident as those trusting the nRNA vaccines, that the Hunter laptop wasn’t real, that Joe trusts rule of law and wouldn’t issue blanket pardons and that Joe was just having a bad day and is mentally sound.

I’m that level of confidently wrong.

 

[trumptman]

Right wingers: Why are you so triggered, snowflake?

Also right wingers when 5 grade school transgenders play girls sports: I'M LOSING MY COUNTRY IT'S BEING DESTROYED

The left are declaring that email pronouns and name changes like Gulf of America means they are losing their entire world.

 

[Slartibartfast]

In all these threads you have the same red faces and crying liberals repeatedly asserting that the judicial branch is the final arbiter of the law, that everything it issues a ruling on must be followed and no one is allowed to question or ignore their rulings.

A PRESIDENT ISN'T A KING!

So this thread is to help improve your understanding of the Constitution and help get you to the next steps of your coping about these matters. Well actually you'll just see how your defense of Biden pardons completely screwed you (yet again) and how you are going to have to cry some more.

First we already have the issue of Presidential Immunity that has been settled.

Presidential immunity in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So if this is a core Article II power, immigration for example, the President has absolute immunity. Even if a lone judge wants to declare the President broke the law, they're going to be ignored because we have a clear ruling on this matter.

However let's imagine several judges all declare the entire Trump administration is generally lawless and going full rogue and acting unconstitutionally on a massive number of matters. How do they fix that after their rulings are issued?

The answer is.... they make referrasl to the EXECUTIVE BRANCH who then has that role of EXECUTING AND ENFORCING THE LAWS.

So when that executive branch doesn't act on it, then the judges have done all they can do. ALL they can do is issue their ruling. All enforcement is beyond their branch of government.

We've seen this in reverse with Biden not enforcing loan provisions for loans he claimed he had forgiven, basically also not requiring those agencies he didn't want doing work to come into work and lastly just not engaging in any immigration enforcement. Judges would rule against it but that is all they can do.

So the President enforces the laws including against himself if a judge were to issue a ruling.

So now you have a lawless President, who's job is it to stop him or her?

Well a judge can issue a ruling but again that is all they can do. The other check and balance on this is CONGRESS. They would have to impeach if they really felt like the bar were high enough in these matters.

Finally we have the "Biden standard" for the final way a President can check and balance the judiciary and that is PARDON POWER.

We've just had a bunch of very fun leftists fully justify BLANKET Biden pardons for broad swaths of time and for uncharged or even unknown federal crimes.

President Trump can issue blanket pardons for any member of his administration that any judge declares is breaking the law or ignoring their case law and rulings.

But...but...but....

No it is a Presidential power and it cannot be litigated or adjudicated per those on the left. It can't be revoked, questioned, or ruled against.

I mean sure these folks will change their mind on that the SECOND the name TRUMP is inserted but hey, double standards are the only standard for them.

If a lone judge wants to make themselves President they can be ignored. Their rulings will have no teeth because the enforcement mechanism is the President. Any law they declare was broken or any person they would try to imprison can just be pardoned by the President.

The checks and balances go both ways, not just one way. Learn it, live it, love it.

So basically this boils down to a bunch of excuses to try and cast the presidency as above the constitution.

 

[Ikari]

I’ve made exactly one thread about the various checks and balances against the judiciary.



As determined by who? You make the case for the thread because there is a check on the judiciary. They can be impeached. Their rulings can lack enforcement. Anyone they try to hold in contempt can be pardoned.



I’m not the running and crying to the courts. That is the left and it is clear that it is the last refuge for them since elections, prosecutions and assassinations didn’t work. Keep citing other leftists as examples of Trump support. The left are torching Tesla’s threatening others, and engaging in terrrorism.



The language of it is clear and Trump met it. It isn’t part of the process for a judge to issue rulings via a phone call, and then harass the DOJ about details for enforcement of his supposed TRO. Enforcement isn’t his role.



Enjoy your conspiracy theory.

If Trump met them, the courts wouldn't have halted the EO. Trump did not meet that criteria for evoking AEA, and now the courts are reviewing it. That's all. You can be as upset as you want that Dear Leader was told "no", but Trump is not a King, and we're seeing it now. He can't just EO anything he wants into existence.

So sorry the rules of the Republic are getting in Dear Leader's way.

 

[Ikari]

So basically this boils down to a bunch of excuses to try and cast the presidency as above the constitution.

That's been the standard MAGA tactic since Trump took over again. But we all knew that would be how it was going in. We've seen P2025 and MAGAs desire to make their central-planning party be the only Party allowed power in the US.

 

[Slartibartfast]

That's been the standard MAGA tactic since Trump took over again. But we all knew that would be how it was going in. We've seen P2025 and MAGAs desire to make their central-planning party be the only Party allowed power in the US.

Its very revealing to find out that MAGA is good with a lot of the tenants of centralized power as long as its for whites. They only seem to be small government conservatives when non-whites can benefit from various policies. This is the ultimate result of the southern strategy and the migration of the southern and rural racists to the GOP in the 70s and 80s.

 

[trumptman]

So basically this boils down to a bunch of excuses to try and cast the presidency as above the constitution.

So basically go back and read again until you understand.

 

[trumptman]

That's been the standard MAGA tactic since Trump took over again. But we all knew that would be how it was going in. We've seen P2025 and MAGAs desire to make their central-planning party be the only Party allowed power in the US.

“We all know…..”

This is straight conspiracy theory.

 

[Luce]

I am posting in this thread.

 

[Slartibartfast]

So basically go back and read again until you understand.

I fully understand, its just a bunch of excuses. The correct way to handle the conflict would be to appeal the ruling. If SCOTUS agrees that these things are not subject to judicial review then they aren't. Until that happens, they are subject to judicial review.

 

[Bubber]

I sound as confident as those trusting the nRNA vaccines, that the Hunter laptop wasn’t real, that Joe trusts rule of law and wouldn’t issue blanket pardons and that Joe was just having a bad day and is mentally sound.

I’m that level of confidently wrong.

Your deflection aside, I'm glad we can at least agree that you are wrong. There may be hope yet...

 

[trumptman]

If Trump met them, the courts wouldn't have halted the EO. Trump did not meet that criteria for evoking AEA, and now the courts are reviewing it. That's all. You can be as upset as you want that Dear Leader was told "no", but Trump is not a King, and we're seeing it now. He can't just EO anything he wants into existence.

So sorry the rules of the Republic are getting in Dear Leader's way.

“The courts….”

You mean one crazy judge…. It isn’t like this has gone forward on a full ruling by him or even an appeal. The one judge and his telephone felt like the executive branch didn’t execute as he demanded and is now going to throw a fit.

Sorry the rules of the Republic are getting in Dear Judge’s way.

What happens when the crazy solo judge holds officials of the DOJ in contempt. Who will enforce his contempt charge?

 

[Ikari]

“We all know…..”

This is straight conspiracy theory.

No, MAGA has broadcast it for all to see. We all knew what would happen when Trump took over, and what is happening is what we knew would happen. We also know your deflections, deceptions, and denials as basis of argument for Trump's plans to grab power and promote MAGA as Single Party Rule.

You're not fooling anyone.

 

[Slartibartfast]

“The courts….”

You mean one crazy judge…. It isn’t like this has gone forward on a full ruling by him or even an appeal. The one judge and his telephone felt like the executive branch didn’t execute as he demanded and is now going to throw a fit.

Sorry the rules of the Republic are getting in Dear Judge’s way.

What happens when the crazy solo judge holds officials of the DOJ in contempt. Who will enforce his contempt charge?

That's how it works. Single judges have been able to issue nation wide injunctions for decades now. If you don't like it, then work with congress to reorganize the courts and jurisdictional lines.

None of the standard processes change just because MAGA feels butthurt.

 

[Ikari]

“The courts….”

You mean one crazy judge…. It isn’t like this has gone forward on a full ruling by him or even an appeal. The one judge and his telephone felt like the executive branch didn’t execute as he demanded and is now going to throw a fit.

Sorry the rules of the Republic are getting in Dear Judge’s way.

What happens when the crazy solo judge holds officials of the DOJ in contempt. Who will enforce his contempt charge?

We might see how a contempt charge is enforced. We haven't had a President so hell bent on dictator-like power before as to defy the courts as Trump is doing. It's a whole new world.

But there isn't "one crazy judge". Just a normal judge performing their normal duties. You don't like it because is a trigger for MAGA when Dear Leader is told "no".

 

[trumptman]

We might see how a contempt charge is enforced. We haven't had a President so hell bent on dictator-like power before as to defy the courts as Trump is doing. It's a whole new world.

It is a whole new world where the left is so extrem that they’ve lost the Presidency, the House, the Senat, the Supreme Court but still can find a pocket or two of judges who will risk their own reputation to try to “own Trump” one last time.

It’s the final stage of TDS for them.

But there isn't "one crazy judge". Just a normal judge performing their normal duties. You don't like it because is a trigger for MAGA when Dear Leader is told "no".

No a normal judge doesn’t issue a verbal TRO with no input from the parties it is being issued against. It isn’t like executive branch is hiding under a bridge and can’t be found.