Time To Tackle Trump's Trade Tariffs?

[Lord Tammerlain]

Not that it matters, but wages in China have been steadily increasing.

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82 000 RMB is roughly equivalent to 12000 USD

 

[RealityNow]

Lower prices aren't "bad."

It's the actual costs in exchange for those lower prices we need to fear.

People being paid pennies per shirt in Bangla Des, so we can buy them for 100 times that amount put my Grandmother out of work in the New York Garment industry.

People in China working in sweat shop conditions making our critical electronic components not only puts American's out of work, it also puts our entire communication and data systems at risk.

What good are low prices when you don't have a job earning enough to buy the cheap crap either.



I am perfectly aware of those issues. But that is a problem caused by internal protectionism. I believe in competition. But what we have in China and other "poor nations" is labor exploitation. And in China in particular, an intentional effort to undermine our nation. To steal our technology, devalue our currency, and create dependence on their industry. There is no free "capitalism" in China, it is all controlled.

We also have a problem caused by not having strong Unions, and a well-paid local workforce doing all that production we've shipped overseas. But that is an issue related to all this "open border" ideology.

The average Chinese workers does not have an obsession with such things, "they are happy to have a job". (The Chinese workers did not come and take anything from America, it was GREEDY AMERICAN WHITE MEN, who took the business of industry to China.) It was the same white males who dominated the Industrial executive offices, who chose to seek slave wage labor on foreign soil.

The Chinese workers produced products to the spec's that American Business Men Requested. Today, Chinese Owned Companies who bought out the white American business man, took over their own companies, and now they produce higher quality products to their choice to make quality products, and they still will and do produce the lower quality spec's that American Industry asked them to produce. America gave it all to not just China but other companies, and then set up "licensing agreements' to slap an "American Logo" on the products. Now, people have come to learn, it the brand logo is a historical American Logo, they have come to expect it to be cheap and low quality. It's why American's are not interested in buying RCA, Westinghouse, and such things, because they know its low grade because America chose to only make agreement to have their logo put on the lower spec's produced goods.

It's why people now prefer Samsung, Sony, and such names who don't focus on their low spec's products, they focus on their higher spec's produced goods. They make low spec goods, because American's will buy it, just to get the logo name on it. but even their low spec goods, are produced to a higher spec than what American Licensing agreements request for goods with a historical American logo and American Brand Name.

People need to stop blaming the Chinese, and stop with the delusion of white man superiority, and realize it was white businessmen who requested these low quality goods. American stores that sell the low quality non well known names brands, is sold because that's what American purchasing agents chose to buy for their American distribution product lines.

Americans have to learn to take responsibility for its own results of greed driven executives. China does not ship much of anything to America, that an America Purchasing Agent did not make an agreement to purchase.

• When American's learn to stop worshiping "wealthy white men" and " stop bowing down to wealthy white men in suits"... ONLY then will American's demand "Higher Quality Standards".
• When American's demand that American Industry Produce on American Soil to High Quality Spec's, ONLY then will American's be interested in buying American Logo and American Brand Name Goods.
• When American's demand Living Wages and Fair Product Pricing, ONLY then will the wage meet the ability to purchase the products.
• When American's stop blindly supporting Companies to Claim $100's of Millions, to $Billions of Profit EVERY 3 MONTHS, will these companies be forced to pay the living wage and sell the product without trying to make 300%-3000% profit per unit.

 

[RealityNow]

UNTIL American's learn these facts and principle... nothing will change, because "Avarice" has dominated the minds of the wealthy to the point, they feed the masses "stupidity to keep them agitated, while keeping them desperate, until they can't think and won't hold the wealthy industrialist responsible.

Trump is a classic example, everything with his name on it is made on foreign shores, and he sells it with high mark up to make high % of profits. While feed the people a line of bullshit, as if he wanted to change things, he had no interest to change anything, because he loves "money too much". People bought all that Trump logo crap, that was made on foreign soil, while he hoodwinked them as if he was so against foreign production and imports.

People should by now realize, everything Trump criticized, was the exact thing he was himself doing, it was called "deflection" and "misdirection", the tool he used for the sake of his lust for power.

 

[RealityNow]

You don't seem to know much about the garment industry. Comparing it to a restaurant is ridiculous.

You missed the point... It was about "going public and not going public"...

As to the garment industry, there is no fixed in stone "anything".

 

[aociswundumho]

Lower prices aren't "bad."

It's the actual costs in exchange for those lower prices we need to fear.

People being paid pennies per shirt in Bangla Des, so we can buy them for 100 times that amount put my Grandmother out of work in the New York Garment industry.

Suppose it were a machine that produced shirts for pennies instead of a human. Is that something we need to fear as well?

People in China working in sweat shop conditions making our critical electronic components not only puts American's out of work, it also puts our entire communication and data systems at risk.

Sweatshop conditions for millions and millions of people are better than the alternative, which is usually subsistence farming. It's one thing to make the choice for yourself and your family...

But I don’t respect you in the slightest if, even passively, you try to impose the same choice on others who are not free to choose. In fact, we know what their choice would be. For, with singular unanimity, in any country where they have had the chance, the poor have walked off the land into the factories as fast as the factories could take them.

 

[RealityNow]

Maybe one should go to a Foreign Country, and realize, their wage works for them, we are the fools for trying to measure our citizen consumer economy against theirs.

• China knows how to manage its currency, where it does not destroy the purchasing power of its currency notes, which enable the people not to be victims of greed based inflation.
• American spent decades trying to force China to "allow its currency to float" and China said, "get the hell out of our affairs, they know how to make their currency work to enable its citizen to function as consumers in "their" own economy.
• Other countries are also smart enough to manage their own currency rather than following the greed model of America's inflationary game that diminishes the purchasing power for the American consumer by eroding the value of its currency notes.

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It's time American get off the haughitness and fools pride, and become aware enough to "learn from the world" and stop thinking itself as being superior.

(Reading for the Critical Thinking Minds)​

Lessons From the East Asian Economic Miracle​

 

[wist43]

No.

Why do you outsource your clothing by buying shirts and pants from other people?

If you make your own shirts and pants you'll give yourself another job, but you will make yourself worse off, because it's smart to buy something from somebody else if doing so is cheaper than making it yourself.

If some other country can make a product cheaper than Americans can make it, then it's smart to buy it from them.

Of course they can make things cheaper - it's called slave labor.

Maybe you should propose we use slave labor here if it's such a great thing for the Chinese??

 

[Bullseye]

I voted no and I guess Biden has said he wouldn't either.

Biden's policy is "whatever Trump did, reverse it". Besides - tariffs on China hurt his and Hunter's income.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Of course they can make things cheaper - it's called slave labor.

Maybe you should propose we use slave labor here if it's such a great thing for the Chinese??

Dont be dense

Wages have been shown to be increasing in China. Manufacturing wages in China now are approx $1000 USD a month. Chinese workers are free to quit one job and find others.

 

[RealityNow]

Biden's policy is "whatever Trump did, reverse it". Besides - tariffs on China hurt his and Hunter's income.

No its not... It's about "what ever damages the nation and the people and America's Relations with the World " - CORRECT IT !!!
Biden's Policies is about implement what will helps the nation, its people and build a performing and progressing future, "Get It Done".

Trump is not America, he was/is nothing more than a Melomaniac who deluded himself that he was smarter the entire world of people, and resulted to screw up everything he came in contact with and everything he tried to manipulate like he was Tyrant Dictator of America.

 

[Bullseye]

No its not... It's about "what ever damages the nation and the people and America's Relations with the World " - CORRECT IT !!!
Biden's Policies is about implement what will helps the nation, its people and build a performing and progressing future, "Get It Done".

Bullshit. He's a laughingstock on the international stage, Inflation is at levels last seen a decade or more ago. Businesses are faltering because his polices are keeping people from looking for work.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Bullshit. He's a laughingstock on the international stage, Inflation is at levels last seen a decade or more ago. Businesses are faltering because his polices are keeping people from looking for work.

What policies are preventing people from looking for work?

 

[Bullseye]

What policies are preventing people from looking for work?

Vaccine mandates for one. Months of supplemental unemployment aid - gone now, off course.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Vaccine mandates for one. Months of supplemental unemployment aid - gone now, off course.

So a vaccine mandate for federal contractors prevents people from looking for work? How does that actually work? Can not people apply to work at Burger King and avoid the mandate ?

How does Unemployment aid prevent people from looking for work? If you were to say it create a disincentive to look for work, that could be accurate

 

[Loulit01]

Tariffs Are Costing Jobs: A Look At How Many

Tariffs are costing a number of Americans their jobs and, more importantly, their freedom.

www.forbes.com

What Are Tariffs and How Do They Affect You?

A tariff is a tax levied by the government on imported goods. They raise costs for importers who usually pass them on to consumers in the form of higher priced goods.

www.investopedia.com

The Negative Effects of Tariffs on U.S. Employment

A look at how a protracted trade war will affect US jobs and the economy

tradewarimpact.economist.com

 

[RealityNow]

Bullshit. He's a laughingstock on the international stage, Inflation is at levels last seen a decade or more ago. Businesses are faltering because his polices are keeping people from looking for work.

Wake up and get off the idiocy train... The Pandemic impacted the ENTIRE World's Supply Chain... Geez!!!

Thank goodness to The World for the thing called "Time"... as it moves forward, within the next decade much of the old man idiocy will have passed on, and the world and the younger more educated generations won't have to hear this silliness.

 

[RealityNow]

Dont be dense

Wages have been shown to be increasing in China. Manufacturing wages in China now are approx $1000 USD a month. Chinese workers are free to quit one job and find others.

American ignorance in some are only happy when they can conjured up some ignorance to create some means to look down on others. The world has no time to pause itself and submit to that ignorance, that's why many nations are building and advancing. China has shown its able to do what American Ignorance prevents America from doing.

They built a hospital in 10 days at the start of the Pandemic !!!! American Greed would have stalled out the plan for the next 5 yrs or more and still not a shovel would be ready for the dirt because contractors would have been trying to figure out how to fleece the project. Greed would have gotten in the way until we could hot have moved the equipment in place in 30 days, and the earliest materials would have arrived may have been 120 days and that would be rife with logistic and supply problems.

 

[Bullseye]

Wake up and get off the idiocy train... The Pandemic impacted the ENTIRE World's Supply Chain... Geez!!!

Give me a break - the rest of the world didn't stand up and attempt to spend trillions upon trillions of OUR dollars on a laundry list of far left lunacies.

Thank goodness to The World for the thing called "Time"... as it moves forward, within the next decade much of the old man idiocy will have passed on, and the world and the younger more educated generations won't have to hear this silliness.

You mean the "younger ones" trained and mentored by the current old guys? Be still my heart!

 

[noonereal]

Time To Tackle Trump's Trade Tariffs?​

The damage the idiot know as orange man Trump did to USA trade cannot be undine. All we can do is try to fix as much as possible.

 

[RealityNow]

Give me a break - the rest of the world didn't stand up and attempt to spend trillions upon trillions of OUR dollars on a laundry list of far left lunacies.

You mean the "younger ones" trained and mentored by the current old guys? Be still my heart!

Other Nation's spent their money exactly why and how they wanted to spend it.

I mean the young ones who invest themselves to learn and to do so without buying into bias and bigotry and take it upon themselves to look for facts and engage critical thinking to discern factors and facts for themselves.

 

[Bullseye]

So a vaccine mandate for federal contractors prevents people from looking for work? How does that actually work? Can not people apply to work at Burger King and avoid the mandate ?

How does Unemployment aid prevent people from looking for work? If you were to say it create a disincentive to look for work, that could be accurate

The bonus on top of regular UE made their income higher than taking a job.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

The bonus on top of regular UE made their income higher than taking a job.

But it did not prevent people from looking for a job, it just made people not want to. A huge difference, not wanting to vs being prevented from

 

[soylentgreen]

Because specious arguments for tariffs are an easy way for politicians to impose additional taxes on Americans.



Why do you think lower prices are bad?

If you want to see what an industry looks like when American firms are protected from competition, just look at the US healthcare industry. The workers in the US healthcare industry have job security, high wages and benefits. This is great for the 20 million or so working in the healthcare industry, but it's a disaster for the other 310 million people in the US.

Still not a reason to blame democracy. More of a reason to call into question why people tolerate the corruption of the american government.

 

[soylentgreen]

And how would you describe my example? It's not an open market.

True america only has a piss poor FTA with its immediate neighbors and a few poor countries. You do not have an open market as such.

 

[iguanaman]

American made garments for 100's of years, it can do so again. People should know the difference between quality and low grade. Everything modernizes, but when people are paid low, they search for cheap things, when they are paid a living wage, they search for quality things.

We have more people today, paying overly high price for low grade goods with marquee labels, when America can learn to respect its own designers and make quality goods, and pay people a living wage, they will do well. NO BUSINESS SHOULD BE IN THE GET RICH QUICK AGENDA, and Companies should manage themselves and not try to get too big when they don't have the market share, and certainly don't go "public" without understanding WHY the stock market was created in the first place. (it was to support a companies STABILITY, RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, AND MANAGED GROWTH. It was NEVER designed to pay Executives 300+ time more than actual production employees earn. When any company have to produce 100's of thousands or maybe even millions of products, just to pay the "executive", the "board of directors" and provide them with perks, golden parachutes and stock options... its no wonder public traded companies suffer.

Business that remain independent, and take pride in their product and grow with time, find they can prosper, but if they get the idea of "get rich quick" they will do what so many have done, is allow take over, and/or go public. Not every type of company is suitable to be listed on the Stock Market Platform.

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IN-N-OUT Burger, does very well, maintains it quality standards, and has a great product and they did not go public, they don't over expand, and they don't go for low grade ingredients and they don't change their menu chasing the fictions of advertisements.

• In-N-Out Burger has chosen not to franchise its operations or go public; one reason is the prospect of quality or customer consistency being compromised by excessively rapid business growth.

Don't start taking about Americans producing cheap textiles for the Chinese. I am already worried that will be the result of this race to the bottom. If we don't get major wage increases soon Chinese wages will pass ours and we will be making cheap tube socks to export. I think that future is appealing to the 1% now.