Time to end the lockdown

[Moonglow]

In that case you do not mind the stores shut down and the restaurants shut down and other places being open!

Sure I mind but I don't make the rules...I never wore a mask in public, never use sanitizer, never wash my hands regularly, share joints and pipes with other people to smoke weed and I touch myself...I may not make the rules but I can sure break 'em and that is my way of protesting being told what to do...I have been that my whole life.

 

[Robertinfremont]

You assume they meant a bad flu season? Sorry your "this is just the flu" propaganda has been shot down so fast. You know what? **** it. Leave. Go do what ever the hell you want. If you or your family get this thing, you waive your right to medical treatment, and if you infect someone else, you are arrested for reckless endangerment. Deal?

Do you realize how the hospitals are suffering? That they laid off doctors. Staff are not working. Floors of hospitals have shut down. Is this a way to have a decent health system? Are empty Emergency rooms helping this country? Hospitals are a ghost town in some cases.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Sure I mind but I don't make the rules...I never wore a mask in public, never use sanitizer, never wash my hands regularly, share joints and pipes with other people to smoke weed and I touch myself...I may not make the rules but I can sure break 'em and that is my way of protesting being told what to do...I have been that my whole life.

You may yet make a decent republican.

 

[Robertinfremont]

You think it's "whining" to object to being literally bankrupted?

To being unemployed and broke or going through one's life savings?

To be angry and worried about facing a literal economic depression?

Democrats have been counting on the country to collapse. We all know it and no amount of BS will persuade me that this disease is not what they love now.

 

[Paradoxical]

Doctors can impeach a president? If not Trump would never step down....Trump called for a national emergency because he wanted to do as such, no one forced him as we have seen all through his presidency he has done his own thing.

As I said, he would have been drummed from office if he hadn't.

 

[Moonglow]

As I said, he would have been drummed from office if he hadn't.

Nope, not Trump he is too hard headed.

 

[Moonglow]

You may yet make a decent republican.

Repubs like Dems are twats because they throw their allegience blindly.

 

[Visbek]

I don't have time to go over this, but 1) I assume they meant in a bad flu season.

Who is "they?" What are you talking about?

And 2) we don't actually know how many people died of the Wuhan virus because there has been pressure toward declaring deaths of multiple cause as Wuhan deaths, I don't know why.

Because that is normal when someone dies of a disease.

When we count up deaths from the flu, we don't exclude people just because they have other medical conditions, even when those conditions make the individual more vulnerable or even contributed to the death.

You can live for a long, long time with hypertension, diabetes, heart disease, even dementia. If you have one of those and get COVID-19, the chances of dying increase significantly. But it wasn't the hypertension or diabetes that killed you, it was COVID-19.

In fact, we are almost certainly under-counting the number of deaths, because not everyone who dies gets tested, and we don't know all the impacts yet. For example, evidence is building that COVID-19 causes strokes, including in young people. We don't know if everyone who died in the past month from a stroke had COVID-19, but we do know that the number of deaths from stroke are roughly double normal, and it's happening in younger and healthy people. Many of those deaths were excluded from official counts, because the disease is so new, and no one realized that COVID-19 might be responsible for those deaths.

There are still many variables to consider, but more and more researchers are coming to the conclusion that it's death rate is around that of a bad flu season.

Dude.

I just showed you a chart which makes it clear this is killing 2-3 times more people than some of the worst flu seasons on record.

A bad flu season has a death rate of around 0.1%. The lowest estimate I've seen, including antibody tests and the beneficial impact of social distancing, is 0.8%. Meaning this is 8 times more likely to kill than a seasonal flu.

C'mon, man. This should not be news to you. And you certainly should know all this stuff, when someone a) puts a chart right in front of your own eyes, and b) you declare you know better than thousands of medical experts when to open up.

 

[Outlook]

Thing is they are practicing protection protocols, and no the stores are not packed.

Really
You need to get out more.
I’m at Home Depot and Lowe’s quite often. There are more people in these stores now than prior to the virus.
Walmart and grocery stores are just as bad.

Other nonessential businesses can practice those same protective protocols.

Tell me why a small individually owned store that gets very few customers had to shut down.

 

[Outlook]

Sure I mind but I don't make the rules...I never wore a mask in public, never use sanitizer, never wash my hands regularly, share joints and pipes with other people to smoke weed and I touch myself...I may not make the rules but I can sure break 'em and that is my way of protesting being told what to do...I have been that my whole life.

You are the type of person that hurts everyone else through your irresponsible behavior. It is people like you that forces the government to shut down the nation.

 

[Moonglow]

You are the type of person that hurts everyone else through your irresponsible behavior. It is people like you that forces the government to shut down the nation.

At last I get recognition...

 

[RealityNow]

Some politicians have already proposed legislation that will hold some responsibility on employers who have done nothing to protect its workers.

I saw a stores ignore to put up the sneeze guard, because it uses a lot of low income and poorly educated people to run those stores, while the owner sits home waiting on the profits.
I supplied the plastic and help store employees put up a thick plastic barrier, with a slot for customers to have their products scanned and to pay.... and the next day... it had been taken down. I suspect the owner/manager had it taken down.
These employees hopefully took pictures of the shield being up and then pictures after it was removed. "hold the owner responsible i any of these employees catch the virus and suffer fatality.

I went to another stores... and before going in, I watched...people pull up, get out, no mask, "nothing" continue to go in... its was the most disrespectful cycle one can imagine.. I turned my car around and left... and went to a store when people did cover up, and there were only 2 customers with mask that went in. I shopped there....

We have a sign on our office doors, that says "wear mask" and "respect the safe distancing guidelines".... No one comes in my office without a mask. the public does not have access to the building... and I do not get in the elevator with other people. I wait for a empty one. I keep my hands in my pocket and the mask on my face.
I clean my mask when I get to my office, and use 'witch hazel on my face, ears and neck"... when I have to leave my office and return to my office.

A work friend with no mask on got in the elevator Friday and said... come on its going to your floor. I politely told him, I'll take the next elevator. he looked shocked... I can't worry about how shocked he may have been... If he has the virus and I catch it, there is nothing he can do for me.

There are many people still walking around as if they are "immune"... while the death rate continues to mount, day by day. I see very elderly people, very obese people and people who are obese with walking difficulty due to being so big... still walking in and out of business with no mask. Even people taking their kids in and out of stores without protection for the kid. These are the kind of people who force Governors to Make More Stringent Policy... to protect others... and its for sure others do need proportion from these foolish types.

I got to the grocery store shortly after 6am... there were one two other customers besides myself... so I was able to get what I needed and not have to worry of being anywhere near the others two people, and they were caution to stay away from each other.

I only touch the product that I will buy... I don't handle products that I am not going to buy.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Which has nothing to with my point.



You obviously don't live in the same country that the rest of us do.

The "poor" in the US live richer lifestyles than billionaires did 100 years ago, accounting for inflation and excluding housing size.

No kidding.

It depends on what you call a rich lifestyle. A poor American today has all kinds of stresses and difficulties that a billionaire 100 years ago didn't have. You didn't need as much then to survive. And if you were rich, you could hire servants. Actually, you didn't have to be all that rich to hire servants back then.

 

[US&THEM]

Do you realize how the hospitals are suffering? That they laid off doctors. Staff are not working. Floors of hospitals have shut down. Is this a way to have a decent health system? Are empty Emergency rooms helping this country? Hospitals are a ghost town in some cases.

Are you trying to make the point our health system was in great shape before the pandemic? Insurance companies run our health system. This pandemic has brought to light how a system to profit off the sick isn’t prepared for this at all.

 

[Casper]

Really
You need to get out more.
I’m at Home Depot and Lowe’s quite often. There are more people in these stores now than prior to the virus.
Walmart and grocery stores are just as bad.

Other nonessential businesses can practice those same protective protocols.

Tell me why a small individually owned store that gets very few customers had to shut down.

In your neck of the woods, maybe, it is spring believe me I know and have been there, people are there, not on mass. Do this every year. Period.

 

[Termn8or]

The "poor" in the US live richer lifestyles than billionaires did 100 years ago, accounting for inflation and excluding housing size.

No kidding.

It depends on what you call a rich lifestyle. A poor American today has all kinds of stresses and difficulties that a billionaire 100 years ago didn't have. You didn't need as much then to survive. And if you were rich, you could hire servants. Actually, you didn't have to be all that rich to hire servants back then.

I'm referring to goods and services.

Almost anyone can fly to the far end of the country or even the world. A billionaire had to take a train, quite slow and exhausting or a boat.

The poor have access to modern medicines. A billionaire didn't even have access to antibiotics.

No cell phones.

No internet.

No computers.

No cars.

 

[Deuce]

It is time to end the lockdown, carefully, not absolutely not at a snail's pace.

The threat from this virus was hugely over-stated.

And Trump is correct; the cure could easily be worse than the disease.

And of course there's a huge divide between conservatives and liberals on this, with conservatives advocating greater freedom.

And liberals demanding less.

An equivalent mortality rate is still a problem when the virus transmits far, far easier.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

It is time to end the lockdown, carefully, not absolutely not at a snail's pace.
The threat from this virus was hugely over-stated.
And Trump is correct; the cure could easily be worse than the disease.
And of course there's a huge divide between conservatives and liberals on this, with conservatives advocating greater freedom.
And liberals demanding less.

covid-19 has averaged 10,000 deaths each week this month.

If we keep it down to 10k covid-19 deaths each week, will covid-19 outpace the flu's annual toll before May?

Or would it take a week or two into May before the number of covid-19 deaths are greater than the flu's annual rate?

for comparison
How many flu deaths have we had each week this month?

 

[Deuce]

covid-19 has averaged 10,000 deaths each week this month.

If we keep it down to 10k covid-19 deaths each week, will covid-19 outpace the flu's annual toll before May?

Or would it take a week or two into May before the number of covid-19 deaths are greater than the flu's annual rate?

for comparison
How many flu deaths have we had each week this month?

10,000 per week is 520,000 per year which definitely outpaces the flu.

 

[Bark]

It is time to end the lockdown, carefully, not absolutely not at a snail's pace.

The threat from this virus was hugely over-stated.

And Trump is correct; the cure could easily be worse than the disease.

And of course there's a huge divide between conservatives and liberals on this, with conservatives advocating greater freedom.

And liberals demanding less.

Get all your friends together. I will pay for 5000 of people like you to go on a 3 week cruise. No doctors though cause that's cheating. Last one back get to tell their story.

 

[Deuce]

Get all your friends together. I will pay for 5000 of people like you to go on a 3 week cruise. No doctors though cause that's cheating. Last one back get to tell their story.

I'll chip in.

 

[Bark]

I'll chip in.

That's what science calls a control group. Let's start with Michigan.

 

[bluesmoke]

First, it's you versus this health expert.

Second, states like NY are still free to open a little more slowly.

First, you can't provide the link to any data or the health experts supporting reopening to the extent of, especially, the red states are doing. Thus, the claim is unfounded.


Second, all states are free to reopen completely and as quick as possible. It's their funeral.

 

[bluesmoke]

I don't have time to go over this, but 1) I assume they meant in a bad flu season.

And 2) we don't actually know how many people died of the Wuhan virus because there has been pressure toward declaring deaths of multiple cause as Wuhan deaths, I don't know why.

There are still many variables to consider, but more and more researchers are coming to the conclusion that it's death rate is around that of a bad flu season.

You have no proof that the number of deaths are too high because of misdiagnosis. Your claim is unfounded.

You keep saying nothing more than C19 being nothing more than a bad flu season. Meanwhile, people keep dying from something for which we have no cure, no vaccine, and not even a viral treatment. People are refusing to work or go back to work because their common sense tells them there's not enough PPE to provide safe working condition. The health community is saying C19 is much worse than the common flu. You just prefer to cling to your ignorance.

 

[CaughtInThe]

It is time to end the lockdown, carefully, not absolutely not at a snail's pace.

The threat from this virus was hugely over-stated.

And Trump is correct; the cure could easily be worse than the disease.

And of course there's a huge divide between conservatives and liberals on this, with conservatives advocating greater freedom.

And liberals demanding less.

why haven't all the Republican Governors done what you demanded?