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Time for a new national anthem?

Time for a new national anthem?

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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]There was a discussion about Colin Kaepernick on Hannity's radio show yesterday and there was a guest defending saying our national anthem was racist due to some lines in the poem it was based on. Searching for those lines I came across this article;[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]http://www.theroot.com/star-spangled-bigotry-the-hidden-racist-history-of-the-1790855893[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Here are the lines in question along with the author's take on what they mean;[/FONT][/FONT]
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And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]In other words, Key was saying that the blood of all the former slaves and “hirelings” on the battlefield will wash away the pollution of the British invaders. With Key still bitter that some black soldiers got the best of him a few weeks earlier, “The Star-Spangled Banner” is as much a patriotic song as it is a diss track to black people who had the audacity to fight for their freedom. Perhaps that’s why it took almost 100 years for the song to become the national anthem.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]So, with this in mind, is it time to "take down our national anthem and replace it with something else? Poll on the way.

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X Factor said:
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]There was a discussion about Colin Kaepernick on Hannity's radio show yesterday and there was a guest defending saying our national anthem was racist due to some lines in the poem it was based on. Searching for those lines I came across this article;[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]http://www.theroot.com/star-spangled-bigotry-the-hidden-racist-history-of-the-1790855893[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Here are the lines in question along with the author's take on what they mean;[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]So, with this in mind, is it time to "take down our national anthem and replace it with something else? Poll on the way.

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I voted maybe, not for the reason given, but because I think there are better choices(America the Beautiful). On the other hand, on the list of issues I think are important right now, this is not on it.
 
Ok, I say no and here's why. If we're supposed to view everyone who fought and died for the confederacy as traitors to the U.S., then certainly any freed slave that fought for the British in the battle for U.S. Independence was also a traitor too, right? Why not have some lines in there exalting their failure? Had they and the British been successful, there would be no United States.
 
Redress said:
I voted maybe, not for the reason given, but because I think there are better choices(America the Beautiful). On the other hand, on the list of issues I think are important right now, this is not on it.
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As personal preferences go, I like both, but I think our national anthem is...ah...bolder I guess I'd say, so better suited be our anthem.
 
I also would prefer America the Beautiful.
 
Help, I'm outnumbered already. :lol:
 
X Factor said:
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]There was a discussion about Colin Kaepernick on Hannity's radio show yesterday and there was a guest defending saying our national anthem was racist due to some lines in the poem it was based on. Searching for those lines I came across this article;[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]http://www.theroot.com/star-spangled-bigotry-the-hidden-racist-history-of-the-1790855893[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Here are the lines in question along with the author's take on what they mean;[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]So, with this in mind, is it time to "take down our national anthem and replace it with something else? Poll on the way.

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I think it is time for a new anthem, but not for these reasons. Our anthem really isn't that great, its very difficult to sing. Personally, I like This Land Is Your Land much better. That would not have wide enough appeal though. America the Beautiful is a much better anthem in my opinion though.
 
X Factor said:
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]There was a discussion about Colin Kaepernick on Hannity's radio show yesterday and there was a guest defending saying our national anthem was racist due to some lines in the poem it was based on. Searching for those lines I came across this article;[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]http://www.theroot.com/star-spangled-bigotry-the-hidden-racist-history-of-the-1790855893[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Here are the lines in question along with the author's take on what they mean;[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]So, with this in mind, is it time to "take down our national anthem and replace it with something else? Poll on the way.

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I've never said the pledge.

Never sang the anthem.

Don't believe in flags, skeptical of borders.

Too much bull**** comes from a of these.

Historically speaking.
 
X Factor said:
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]There was a discussion about Colin Kaepernick on Hannity's radio show yesterday and there was a guest defending saying our national anthem was racist due to some lines in the poem it was based on. Searching for those lines I came across this article;[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]http://www.theroot.com/star-spangled-bigotry-the-hidden-racist-history-of-the-1790855893[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Here are the lines in question along with the author's take on what they mean;[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]So, with this in mind, is it time to "take down our national anthem and replace it with something else? Poll on the way.

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I never knew the national anthem was four paragraphs long. This is all I ever heard sung in all my 70 years.

O say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

The final three paragraphs might as well not exist since no one sings them anyway. I don't care one way or the other. This goes to show you even old farts like me can learn something new every day. I always thought "O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?" was the end of it.
 
X Factor said:
Ok, I say no and here's why. If we're supposed to view everyone who fought and died for the confederacy as traitors to the U.S., then certainly any freed slave that fought for the British in the battle for U.S. Independence was also a traitor too, right? Why not have some lines in there exalting their failure? Had they and the British been successful, there would be no United States.
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Oh for ****s sake surely you are not going to make that comparison. You are comparing freed slaves, that spent much of their lives under the whip or worse and who were never even considered full citizens, to men that fought to preserve the most evil institution in all of human history, chattel slavery. Let me ask you this, if the Civil War had been fought because the South wanted to preserve its state's rights to legalized child rape, would you be in favor of any memorials or glorification in any way, of those that fought for that cause? If not, why is slavery any different?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I think it is time for a new anthem, but not for these reasons. Our anthem really isn't that great, its very difficult to sing. Personally, I like This Land Is Your Land much better. That would not have wide enough appeal though. America the Beautiful is a much better anthem in my opinion though.
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Isn't This Land is Your Land, like a 60s protest song?
 
Perotista said:
I never knew the national anthem was four paragraphs long. This is all I ever heard sung in all my 70 years.

O say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

The final three paragraphs might as well not exist since no one sings them anyway. I don't care one way or the other. This goes to show you even old farts like me can learn something new every day. I always thought "O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?" was the end of it.
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I agree with that, but I've also been swayed by the suggestion of America the Beautiful.
 
X Factor said:
Isn't This Land is Your Land, like a 60s protest song?
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That is what it became, but it was written well before the 60s. It is a Woody Guthrie song. I know it could never be the national anthem, but if given the choice, that is what I would prefer as I ultimately consider the United States to be a land above all else (which is also what all the original settlers saw it as).
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Oh for ****s sake surely you are not going to make that comparison. You are comparing freed slaves, that spent much of their lives under the whip or worse and who were never even considered full citizens, to men that fought to preserve the most evil institution in all of human history, chattel slavery. Let me ask you this, if the Civil War had been fought because the South wanted to preserve its state's rights to legalized child rape, would you be in favor of any memorials or glorification in any way, of those that fought for that cause? If not, why is slavery any different?
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I knew there'd be no consistency on this. If we're going to judge people by today's standards, then it needs to be true for everyone and anyone fighting for a foreign nation against the U.S. they would be a traitor.
 
X Factor said:
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]There was a discussion about Colin Kaepernick on Hannity's radio show yesterday and there was a guest defending saying our national anthem was racist due to some lines in the poem it was based on. Searching for those lines I came across this article;[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]http://www.theroot.com/star-spangled-bigotry-the-hidden-racist-history-of-the-1790855893[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Here are the lines in question along with the author's take on what they mean;[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]So, with this in mind, is it time to "take down our national anthem and replace it with something else? Poll on the way.

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No. Absolute waste of time. These thin skinned snowflakes need to stop. I mean it's not like we have far more important thing to do than worry about a verses in the anthem no one sings anyway.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
That is what it became, but it was written well before the 60s. It is a Woody Guthrie song. I know it could never be the national anthem, but if given the choice, that is what I would prefer as I ultimately consider the United States to be a land above all else (which is also what all the original settlers saw it as).
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Our racist bigoted settlers? Why would you care what they think?
 
X Factor said:
I knew there'd be no consistency on this. If we're going to judge people by today's standards, then it needs to be true for everyone and anyone fighting for a foreign nation against the U.S. they would be a traitor.
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It gets complicated though doesn't it? Is it traitorous for slaves to fight their masters by today's standards?
 
X Factor said:
I knew there'd be no consistency on this. If we're going to judge people by today's standards, then it needs to be true for everyone and anyone fighting for a foreign nation against the U.S. they would be a traitor.
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We are judging them by today's standards. By today's standards we would judge someone who was freed from slavery better than we judge someone that fought to preserve the institution of slavery. Its not like we just all of a sudden figured out that slavery was wrong. People 200 years ago knew that slavery was wrong. The Buddha knew that slavery was wrong 2500 years ago. That idea that slavery is an evil institution is not a new concept.
 
X Factor said:
As personal preferences go, I like both, but I think our national anthem is...ah...bolder I guess I'd say, so better suited be our anthem.
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You also prefer the Cowboys, so your taste is somewhat suspect...
 
MrPeanut said:
It gets complicated though doesn't it? Is it traitorous for slaves to fight their masters by today's standards?
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I wouldn't fault anyone for fighting for their freedom, however they were already freed slaves, taking up arms against the U.S. Glad they didn't succeed, myself. Frankly, it would never have occurred to me to label them traitors because I think historical context means something but I've recently learned otherwise.
 
X Factor said:
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]There was a discussion about Colin Kaepernick on Hannity's radio show yesterday and there was a guest defending saying our national anthem was racist due to some lines in the poem it was based on. Searching for those lines I came across this article;[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]http://www.theroot.com/star-spangled-bigotry-the-hidden-racist-history-of-the-1790855893[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Here are the lines in question along with the author's take on what they mean;[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]So, with this in mind, is it time to "take down our national anthem and replace it with something else? Poll on the way.

Again, sorry in advance for any crazy fonts and sizes[/FONT][/FONT]
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The left won't be happy until the entire US is dissolved, anthem and all and we should wipe out all of those traitorous people from our past like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, et al. Then we could erect statues of Colin Kaepernick and elect him the first president of the US. We could also get rid of the US military and replace them with the antifa.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
We are judging them by today's standards. By today's standards we would judge someone who was freed from slavery better than we judge someone that fought to preserve the institution of slavery. Its not like we just all of a sudden figured out that slavery was wrong. People 200 years ago knew that slavery was wrong. The Buddha knew that slavery was wrong 2500 years ago. That idea that slavery is an evil institution is not a new concept.
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I could argue they're more traitors then the people fighting for the confederacy. Are you wishing they had succeeded? Are you glad about the American lives they took?
 
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