Tiff Over A Missing "-ic" Continues

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Kerry calling the troops dumb isn't a problem but this is? When Bush messes up nuclear he's a retard. When he messes up democratic he's a shifty little bastard. I can't decide whether Democrats underestimate or overestimate Bush sometimes.

Oh brother. If you still believe that Kerry's intent was to call the troops dumb, I feel sorry for you.

 

[niftydrifty]

This is so ridiculous, I can't tell if you are actually being serious or not. Surely not. In any case, I sincerely hope not.

no argument presented here. why bother to post?

a good place to start would be to remark about why Bush doesn't understand why anyone would think he is trying to needle the Democrats, after he has needled them, by using a perjorative that has a long history, but only with far right partisans?

 

[RightOfCenter]

Oh brother. If you still believe that Kerry's intent was to call the troops dumb, I feel sorry for you.

And if you think Bush's intent was to bug the Democrats I feel sorry for you.

 

[Zyphlin]

The word itself ("Democrat") has unpleasant connotations and associations. It sounds like "crap". Also like "rat".
Perhaps they should just change the name altogether.
Calling Republicans "Republics" isn't comparable.
Neither the word Republican nor the word Republic has the same negative resonance to it.

Sounds like crap. No clue on that. I guess it can sound like Rat but honestly that never crossed my mind when I've heard it used.

actually, it isn't. so, um, you don't have a point. If you believe this, then you've heard it used by anti-Democratic party propagandists. "their label" is "democratic party." in other words, your parroting.

the whole rub, the one being denied by all the Repugs in here, is that when the "Democrat party" perjorative is used, the implication is that the Democrats are not "democratic."

If a Republican't were to say "Democratic majority," it would sound like s/he were talking about a bunch of people that loved democracy or that were upholders of democracy. we can't have that can we? So s/he doesn't, s/he'll say "Democrat majority."

I suppose this in and of itself isn't such a big deal, but it is a big deal when an entity isn't referred to by its name. "The Democratic Party."

Um. Read my post before making an asinine comment. The majority of people I've ever heard talk have said the Republicans and Democrats. I've never heard of them refered to as the Democratics..."Oh joy, the Democratics are back in power". The term they use in that instance is "Democrat". As such, if it is the party...of Democrats...I don't see the huge rub or deal with it being called the "Democrat Party"...IE, party of democrats.

I also don't get your "if you don't use 'democratic' you're trying to say they're not democratic." arguement. Honestly, that's like saying "Because you're wanting to call them the Democratic Party you're trying to call anyone that's NOT in their party nont democratic". Both of these things are a bit ludicrous.

It really seems like a much to do about nothing. Repug's annoy me a bit, Republican't annoys me a bit...why? Because they're blatant reworks simply to insult. Democrat isn't. If an idiot republican went "hehe, the DemocRAT party" then i'd tell them they're being asinine and immature as well. Doing that is stupid, but I don't see the insult there. Calling them Democrat party every time just to annoy them...stupid. Calling it that becuase that's what rolls off your tongue becuase they're Democrat's, fine. Its just that some people like to bitch and have to make themselves victims at all times.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

I've never heard of them refered to as the Democratics..."Oh joy, the Democratics are back in power". The term they use in that instance is "Democrat". As such, if it is the party...of Democrats...I don't see the huge rub or deal with it being called the "Democrat Party"...IE, party of democrats.

I also don't get your "if you don't use 'democratic' you're trying to say they're not democratic." arguement. Honestly, that's like saying "Because you're wanting to call them the Democratic Party you're trying to call anyone that's NOT in their party nont democratic". Both of these things are a bit ludicrous.

It really seems like a much to do about nothing. Repug's annoy me a bit, Republican't annoys me a bit...why? Because they're blatant reworks simply to insult. Democrat isn't. If an idiot republican went "hehe, the DemocRAT party" then i'd tell them they're being asinine and immature as well. Doing that is stupid, but I don't see the insult there. Calling them Democrat party every time just to annoy them...stupid. Calling it that becuase that's what rolls off your tongue becuase they're Democrat's, fine. Its just that some people like to bitch and have to make themselves victims at all times.

Excellent post. The jealous haters are the only ones who care about this.

 

[niftydrifty]

Um. Read my post before making an asinine comment. The majority of people I've ever heard talk have said the Republicans and Democrats. I've never heard of them refered to as the Democratics..."Oh joy, the Democratics are back in power". The term they use in that instance is "Democrat". As such, if it is the party...of Democrats...I don't see the huge rub or deal with it being called the "Democrat Party"...IE, party of democrats.

I also don't get your "if you don't use 'democratic' you're trying to say they're not democratic." arguement. Honestly, that's like saying "Because you're wanting to call them the Democratic Party you're trying to call anyone that's NOT in their party nont democratic". Both of these things are a bit ludicrous.

It really seems like a much to do about nothing. Repug's annoy me a bit, Republican't annoys me a bit...why? Because they're blatant reworks simply to insult. Democrat isn't. If an idiot republican went "hehe, the DemocRAT party" then i'd tell them they're being asinine and immature as well. Doing that is stupid, but I don't see the insult there. Calling them Democrat party every time just to annoy them...stupid. Calling it that becuase that's what rolls off your tongue becuase they're Democrat's, fine. Its just that some people like to bitch and have to make themselves victims at all times.

This entire post is an admittance of what Zyphlin doesn't understand. Anecdotal evidence. Etc.

"The Democrat Party" is not what "The Democratic Party" is called. Unless, that is, one endeavors to call them something other than their name. This is what you don't get, or can't see, or apparently have never heard, Zyphlin.

Calling them Democrat party every time just to annoy them...stupid.

Agreed.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

This entire post is an admittance of what Zyphlin doesn't understand. Anecdotal evidence. Etc.

"The Democrat Party" is not what "The Democratic Party" is called. Unless, that is, one endeavors to call them something other than their name.

With all the fish the Democrat party has the opportunity to fry right now, you've picked a strange one.

 

[niftydrifty]

With all the fish the Democrat party has the opportunity to fry right now, you've picked a strange one.

???

I don't look at it that way. I don't fight for the Democratic Party. I enjoy debate and I like to debate about politics. This is a debate website. I read all the posts and respond to the most illogical posts. It almost doesn't matter what the subject is.

Just look at this thread and the plethora of non-arguments made here!

"You've picked a strange fish to fry"

"I don't see what the big deal is"

"The jealous haters are the only ones who care about this"

"And if you think Bush's intent was to bug the Democrats I feel sorry for you"

"This is so ridiculous, I can't tell if you are actually being serious or not. Surely not. In any case, I sincerely hope not"

"Therein is one of the big problems with the cons..."

"I think anyone who belongs to the Democrat party and finds this offensive needs to get a life"

"the pantie waist liberals looking for something else to whine about"

"I am unable to understand what if any is the importance of this"

 

[FierceEnigma12z]

Everyone reasonable that I know has acknowledged that both instances you're speaking about were stupid things to say. so, I believe you're correct to compare both as such. the difference is that Kerry said something that was true, and Bush, again, has made something up.

yep, you should get over it when someone says something that is true, and you should bemoan the fact that the POTUS can't read and/or has no learning curve, and/or is nothing more than a far-right wing propandist mouthpiece.

Or he just didn't mean it to be offensive to Democrats and you people should just get the hell over it.I think that's what should happen.I'm sorry what exactly did he "make up"?.Kerry on the other hand made a stupid mistake, said he wasn't going to aplogize for it cuz he's an stubborn person who can't admit he's wrong and then does it when it's too late and the damage has been done.But hey now's a good time to make fun of the way Bush speaks and imply he's an idiot all throughout this topic, because Democrats are real good at bitching.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Just look at this thread and the plethora of non-arguments made here!

"You've picked a strange fish to fry"

"I don't see what the big deal is"

"The jealous haters are the only ones who care about this"

"And if you think Bush's intent was to bug the Democrats I feel sorry for you"

"This is so ridiculous, I can't tell if you are actually being serious or not. Surely not. In any case, I sincerely hope not"

"I think anyone who belongs to the Democrat party and finds this offensive needs to get a life"

"the pantie waist liberals looking for something else to whine about"

"I am unable to understand what if any is the importance of this"

My father used to say, "If more than one has told you you're sick, lie down."

 

[niftydrifty]

Pointless comparison. I've already addressed it. And I've already answered this, too.

I'm sorry what exactly did he "make up"?

Scroll up.

"If more than one has told you you're sick, lie down."

LOL! Yeah, more than one right-winger has come along making the same partisan non-argument, in the same thread, on a debate website. Real helpful.

What would dad say about this:

Poll: Majority Says Bush Is Weak And Wrong | TPMCafe

Sounds like Dad favors impeachment, too.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

What would dad say about this:

Poll: Majority Says Bush Is Weak And Wrong | TPMCafe

Sounds like Dad favors impeachment, too.

He'd say, "Looky there, some people agree with the President and some don't. It's a tough and thankless job, but someone's got to do it."

Not sure about the impeachment comment. If you'd like me to show you the threads on that topic, I'd be happy to.

 

[niftydrifty]

the point is, the quote is an appeal to numbers. like all the other non-arguments I listed, it's illogical and it's pointless.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

the point is, the quote is an appeal to numbers. like all the other non-arguments I listed, it's illogical and it's pointless.

Oh, well then we agree. Your post was illogical and pointless.

 

[niftydrifty]

Oh, well then we agree. Your post was illogical and pointless.

Alrighty then, CurlySpentAffHair. please tell FeerzEnigma, Zonklin, and the CreamMaster that I finally get it. It's just not that big a deal to call someone or something by the wrong name.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Alrighty then, CurlySpentAffHair. please tell FeerzEnigma, Zonklin, and the CreamMaster that I finally get it. It's just not that big a deal to call someone or something by the wrong name.

I'm not sure I understand. Did someone call you by the wrong name?

 

[RightOfCenter]

How is whether or not Bush messed up the name because he can barely speak English or was just trying to bug Democrats something we can debate about? He's the only one who knows and it's not like he would admit it if he did.

 

[SixStringHero]

Everyone reasonable that I know has acknowledged that both instances you're speaking about were stupid things to say. so, I believe you're correct to compare both as such. the difference is that Kerry said something that was true, and Bush, again, has made something up.

yep, you should get over it when someone says something that is true, and you should bemoan the fact that the POTUS can't read and/or has no learning curve, and/or is nothing more than a far-right wing propandist mouthpiece.

And what exactly did Kerry say that was true?

Is it your assertion that a good portion of the troops in Iraq are there because of a lack of education? That sounds like Michael Moore type rhetoric to me.

 

[SixStringHero]

Oh brother. If you still believe that Kerry's intent was to call the troops dumb, I feel sorry for you.

So what did Kerry mean exactly in his speech?

You can spin it however you want, claiming it was simply a jab at Bush, but the fact remains that Bush recieved a higher GPA than Kerry.

If it were Kerry's intention to insult Bush's intelligence, then what does that say about him?

Kerry is a douchebag, and no amount of spin will save him from his stupid comment.

 

[FierceEnigma12z]

Oh no no it was mistake.Remember, Kerry said it was a botched joke aimed to make fun of the president and Republicans should have known that for a fact.But when this happens, you Dems refuse to believe the Presdient when he said that he made the mistake of saying Democrat Congress instead of Democratic Congress.In that same sentence he was congratulating the /democrats for taking over in Congress, so the arugument you Dems. have makes loads of sense.We have to believe Kerry, but we can't believe Bush.

Guys, it's bvecoming more obvious you're just finding something to whine about.And now it's "haha lets make fun of the way Bush speaks cuz we have our chance to insult his intelligence LOL!"

 

[Zyphlin]

This entire post is an admittance of what Zyphlin doesn't understand. Anecdotal evidence. Etc.

"The Democrat Party" is not what "The Democratic Party" is called. Unless, that is, one endeavors to call them something other than their name. This is what you don't get, or can't see, or apparently have never heard, Zyphlin.



Agreed.

WOW...are you a professional spin doctor, because you're good at it.

READ MY POSTS, or stop trying to :spin: , it gets annoying. I'm not hiding my words.

YES, its called the "Democratic Party"

HOWEVER, individual people are refered to as a "Democrat"

Therefore, I don't see where it is somekind of gigantic, horrendous, horrible type of insult to refer to the party, full of Democrats, as the democrat party.

Why is my point so hard to understand that you've now made 2 posts about it that don't in any way address what I was ACTUALLY saying.

There is a difference between calling someone something simply because that's what pops up into your head when you think of it, and without any intended insult...and doing something to insult someone. Personally, I don't see where the Insult is there. It seems like a tiny pointless little thing that a bunch of people are wanting to get riled up about just to keep making themselves feel like victims.

As far as your link goes and acting like that somehow proves you case...well, if you honestly believe that I suggest having some things checked out. While you may be hyper sensitive and take something so benign as calling the party of democrats the democrat party, doesn't mean that someone using it is doing it for the soul reason or for the purpose of annoying or insulting. It could just very well be the way his speech works and how it goes in his head. If it was "The Democrackheads Party", then sure...agree with you fully. However, I don't see the harm in this one other then you just enjoying to have a victim complex.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

YES, its called the "Democratic Party" HOWEVER, individual people are refered to as a "Democrat". Therefore, I don't see where it is somekind of gigantic, horrendous, horrible type of insult to refer to the party, full of Democrats, as the democrat party. .

It isn't, unless you're a democrat and choose to be insulted by it.

 

[niftydrifty]

WOW...are you a professional spin doctor, because you're good at it.

Zyphylin, wow, indeed.

READ MY POSTS, or stop trying to , it gets annoying. I'm not hiding my words.

Dude, you are hilarious! read my posts, why don'tcha?! Count the number of times you've used the word "insult" in this thread. Now count the number of times I've used it: Zero.

YES, its called the "Democratic Party"

Now we're getting somewhere.

HOWEVER, individual people are refered to as a "Democrat"

Yes, of course. So, as you have just so generously pointed out, "Democratic Party" are more than one person. "Democrat" is one person. Use of the term "Democrat" to refer to more than one person is wrong. Thanks for making that point for me.

Therefore, I don't see where it is somekind of gigantic, horrendous, horrible type of insult to refer to the party, full of Democrats, as the democrat party.

Whoa, hold them doggies. Did I ever say "insult?" I never have. And you are talking to me, right? Good. I said it was wrong. I said Bush could change the tone by referring to people by their name, by what they are called. It's bad, disrespectful, because it's wrong. Did I say "insult"? Dude, read my posts! It gets real annoying.

Why is my point so hard to understand that you've now made 2 posts about it that don't in any way address what I was ACTUALLY saying.

Ditto. Uh, but, as you illustrated, your point is in fact something I never said, and you've helped make my point for me.

There is a difference between calling someone something simply because that's what pops up into your head when you think of it, and without any intended insult...and doing something to insult someone. Personally, I don't see where the Insult is there. It seems like a tiny pointless little thing that a bunch of people are wanting to get riled up about just to keep making themselves feel like victims.

Bush has done it continually. It started recently. The perjorative "Democrat Party" has caught on. and Bush has started using it. search the White House website. and by the way, there you go again with your term, "insult," three more times! The one I never used.

"democrat party" site:whitehouse.gov - Google Search

I'm not a victim. I'm attacking Bush here for being such a partisan numbskull. And you are attempting to defend him, and very poorly at that.

As far as your link goes and acting like that somehow proves you case...

non-argument

well, if you honestly believe that I suggest having some things checked out.

I don't care about what I honestly believe and neither should you. just tell me, why am I wrong?

While you may be hyper sensitive and take something so benign as calling the party of democrats the democrat party,

LOL! hypersensitive is one those .... exaggerations. I take exception to calling anything by the wrong name. don't you, Zyph-lip?

doesn't mean that someone using it is doing it for the soul reason or for the purpose of annoying or insulting.

...and I said this when? please, read my posts. it gets annoying.

It could just very well be the way his speech works and how it goes in his head.

...constantly. over and over. but only since the Republic Party started losing.

If it was "The Democrackheads Party", then sure...agree with you fully.

That would be wrong too.

However, I don't see the harm in this one other then you just enjoying to have a victim complex.

Okeedoke, Zyphl. and best of luck to you and the Raw-pube-lickin' Party in 2008.

 

[1069]

Okeedoke, Zyphl. and best of luck to you and the Raw-pube-lickin' Party in 2008.

:funny :lamo :2rofll:


I just remembered something from when I was a kid.
Didn't Bush's daddy constantly refer to Saddam Hussein, in televised interviews and speeches, as "Sodom"?

 

[CurrentAffairs]

The President always manages to show bipartisan dignity and is the first to make light of his shortcomings. This is classic.

President Bush, speaking to House of Representatives Democrats today:


Stressing bipartisanship throughout a speech that focused mainly on domestic priorities, Bush also made light of a quip during his State of the Union address last month, in which he referred to the "Democrat" party instead of the "Democratic" party. Some Democrats viewed it as an intended slight meant to imply the party was not democratic.

"Now look, my diction isn't all that good. I have been accused of occasionally mangling the English language. And so I appreciate you inviting the head of the 'Republic' party," Bush said to laughter.

:lol:


Debate on Iraq healthy, Bush tells Democrats - Yahoo! News