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Three Trump Judges Just Issued a Shock Ruling That Could Wreak Havoc on the Election

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"On Friday afternoon, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit handed down a shock decision declaring that states may not count ballots that are mailed by Election Day but received shortly thereafter. By its own terms, the ruling applies only to Mississippi, throwing the legality of its voting procedures into question just 11 days before the election. Nationwide, however, 18 states and Washington D.C. accept late-arriving ballots; the 5th Circuit’s reasoning would render all these laws illegitimate and void, nullifying hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of ballots. The court’s obvious goal, aside from destabilizing a close election, is to tee up a Supreme Court decision that could wipe out all these laws in one fell swoop.

The Republican National Committee manufactured this dispute as a test case to end the widespread practice of accepting ballots that come in after Election Day, but are postmarked by Election Day. (Republicans believe that these ballots are disproportionately likely to support Democrats.) The RNC filed its lawsuit in Mississippi because that’s the one state within the 5th Circuit that counts late-arriving ballots, and conservative lawyers knew they could get a favorable ruling from the far-right court. RNC lawyers argued that federal law requires all votes to be received by Election Day, not just cast by Election Day. And they claimed that this federal rule overrides, or “preempts,” state laws to the contrary, including Mississippi’s.

U.S. District Judge Louis Guirola Jr. sharply rejected this argument. He pointed out that, under the Constitution, “the times, places and manner” of federal elections “shall be prescribed” by the states, though Congress may “make or alter” the state’s laws. Congress has not prescribed specific rules for mail ballots, instead leaving those decisions up to the states. The fact that Congress created one “Election Day” does not mean that it intended to void ballots that are cast by that date but, for whatever reason, arrive shortly thereafter."

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When Mississippi law isn't right-wing enough for you, send in the 5th Circuit Court.
 
Thanks for linking to a primary source so we can make up our own minds :)
 
Disgusting. I hope that this ruling is overturned.
 
I doubt this case gets decided soon enough to impact the 11/5/2024 elections.
 
Democrats vote early. This could be good for Democrat candidates.
 
"On Friday afternoon, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit handed down a shock decision declaring that states may not count ballots that are mailed by Election Day but received shortly thereafter. By its own terms, the ruling applies only to Mississippi, throwing the legality of its voting procedures into question just 11 days before the election. Nationwide, however, 18 states and Washington D.C. accept late-arriving ballots; the 5th Circuit’s reasoning would render all these laws illegitimate and void, nullifying hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of ballots. The court’s obvious goal, aside from destabilizing a close election, is to tee up a Supreme Court decision that could wipe out all these laws in one fell swoop.

The Republican National Committee manufactured this dispute as a test case to end the widespread practice of accepting ballots that come in after Election Day, but are postmarked by Election Day. (Republicans believe that these ballots are disproportionately likely to support Democrats.) The RNC filed its lawsuit in Mississippi because that’s the one state within the 5th Circuit that counts late-arriving ballots, and conservative lawyers knew they could get a favorable ruling from the far-right court. RNC lawyers argued that federal law requires all votes to be received by Election Day, not just cast by Election Day. And they claimed that this federal rule overrides, or “preempts,” state laws to the contrary, including Mississippi’s.


U.S. District Judge Louis Guirola Jr. sharply rejected this argument. He pointed out that, under the Constitution, “the times, places and manner” of federal elections “shall be prescribed” by the states, though Congress may “make or alter” the state’s laws. Congress has not prescribed specific rules for mail ballots, instead leaving those decisions up to the states. The fact that Congress created one “Election Day” does not mean that it intended to void ballots that are cast by that date but, for whatever reason, arrive shortly thereafter."

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When Mississippi law isn't right-wing enough for you, send in the 5th Circuit Court.
I dont understand the problem,,

we have an election day and if your vote isnt in by that date it doesnt count,,
 
Straw man?
No … just thanking you for linking to the actual court case document. I realized after I posted that that it sounded odd. It's rare we see articles with an actual link to the source. I've printed it out and will read and get back to you.
 
I dont understand the problem,,

we have an election day and if your vote isnt in by that date it doesnt count,,

"We have an election day" and anyone who votes by that date, should have their vote counted.

Note that some people who voted on election day, are already discounted. Because the post office POSTMARKED their vote later than that day. Honestly I think it should be two days later, to allow for post office collection delay, HOWEVER I see the danger of people voting later, and getting good flow from the PO. I agree that votes cast AFTER election day, should not be counted.
 
No … just thanking you for linking to the actual court case document. I realized after I posted that that it sounded odd. It's rare we see articles with an actual link to the source. I've printed it out and will read and get back to you.

It was me who linked to the court document. But I think that was a cheap shot. You didn't even try to find it (it was hard to miss.)

Come back when you've found something interesting in the document you demanded.
 
What do you think its purpose is?

It is a zombie lawsuit. Its purpose is to simply be another legal means to adjudicate the election should Trump lose. He will need something to put in front of Alito, Thomas, Gorsuch, Barrett, and Kegger.
 
It was me who linked to the court document. But I think that was a cheap shot. You didn't even try to find it (it was hard to miss.)

Come back when you've found something interesting in the document you demanded.
I'm not sure why you're criticizing me for complimenting him. The link was in fact in the initial post and I was thanking him for providing it. Not sure when compliments were forbidden on this board…
 
In India, they vote province by province. It doesn't seem to bother them that one party gets a big lead in the early provinces, and this influences the final result.

In favor of that system, India has a relatively small but very professional team of election officials, who move from one province to another to oversee elections.

Also worth considering, is that the US votes "province by province" in the Presidential primaries. If it's a terrible system, then it would be quite easy to hold presidential primaries all on one day. Introduce ranked choice voting, and it would be a world standard method of choosing candidates.
 
"We have an election day" and anyone who votes by that date, should have their vote counted.

Note that some people who voted on election day, are already discounted. Because the post office POSTMARKED their vote later than that day. Honestly I think it should be two days later, to allow for post office collection delay, HOWEVER I see the danger of people voting later, and getting good flow from the PO. I agree that votes cast AFTER election day, should not be counted.
play stupid games win stupid prizes,,
to trust the post office with one of the most important actions taken by the average american is plain stupid
next time show up in person and vote like normal people do,,

this is a good ruling and hopefully it leads to ending ,mail in ballots,,
 
In India, they vote province by province. It doesn't seem to bother them that one party gets a big lead in the early provinces, and this influences the final result.

In favor of that system, India has a relatively small but very professional team of election officials, who move from one province to another to oversee elections.

Also worth considering, is that the US votes "province by province" in the Presidential primaries. If it's a terrible system, then it would be quite easy to hold presidential primaries all on one day. Introduce ranked choice voting, and it would be a world standard method of choosing candidates.
its a great country,,

you should move there,,
 
I dont understand the problem,,

we have an election day and if your vote isnt in by that date it doesnt count,,

The problem is the difference between MS state law which states ballots received up to five days after election day are to be counted and federal law which states ballots received by election day are to be counted.
 
The problem is the difference between MS state law which states ballots received up to five days after election day are to be counted and federal law which states ballots received by election day are to be counted.
hopefully this will show the problems with mil in ballots nd stop that insanity,,
 
The problem is the difference between MS state law which states ballots received up to five days after election day are to be counted and federal law which states ballots received by election day are to be counted.

Although, does not state that ballots received after cannot be counted.
 
I'm not sure why you're criticizing me for complimenting him. The link was in fact in the initial post and I was thanking him for providing it. Not sure when compliments were forbidden on this board…

The link was there IN A QUOTE. I thought you were complaining that it wasn't broken out.

Your thanks were sincere then. My apology is also sincere.
 
It is a zombie lawsuit. Its purpose is to simply be another legal means to adjudicate the election should Trump lose. He will need something to put in front of Alito, Thomas, Gorsuch, Barrett, and Kegger.

Really? See post #19.
 
play stupid games win stupid prizes,,
to trust the post office with one of the most important actions taken by the average american is plain stupid
next time show up in person and vote like normal people do,,

this is a good ruling and hopefully it leads to ending ,mail in ballots,,
So for people who are so sick and disabled that they can't physically leave their house without their ballots shouldn't vote? How about the military overseas?
 
hopefully this will show the problems with mil in ballots nd stop that insanity,,

The main complaint with mail-in ballots is that they're too easy. Certain people who have voted every year since Eisenhower, don't like others to vote more easily.

Here in Australia, voting is COMPULSORY. You get fined $50 and it also goes on your public record. Not voting effectively disqualifies you from ever being selected by a party (well unless you're Peter Garret.)
 
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