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Three Trump codefendants say they became false electors at Trump’s ‘direction’

IQ57 said:
They are lying.
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How do you know?

It's amazing that people who were so gullible when they were promised by Trump for so many years that they weren't going to believe what his top people were finding on Obama's secret birth certificate, can now all of a sudden be such sophisticated skeptics.
 
SkyChief said:
Exactly.

They had better produce some physical evidence of Trump conspiring with them to do this. If they cannot, Trump will skate on these conspiracy charges.

Many J6 rioters claimed that Trump compelled them to raid the Capitol, but when asked to provide show evidence that Trump told them to do it, none of them could, because Trump never asked or told them to.

So they went to jail.

I hope these fake electors go to jail for falsely implicating Trump for THEIR misdeeds.
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I would rather see them prove they committed no misdeeds.
 
Mycroft said:
I would rather see them prove they committed no misdeeds.
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They can't prove that, because we already have proof OF those misdeeds.

There is no question about what Trump and his co-conspirators did, and they do not deny it.
You can judge their misdeeds right now, as reasonable people did, and should.

We have loads of evidence of criminal acts engaged in, in pursuit of the fake elector plot.
All we need now is for a reasonable jury to come to the same conclusion the two grand juries came to, at a higher threshold of certainty based on prosecution and defense.
 
AmbiguousGuy said:
Why didn't they just run videos of his incitement speech?
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Because there was no "incitement speech". The speech that you refer to actually documents Trump asking the poeple to be peaceful.

This is why all the bogus charges against Trump must be dismissed. However, there is a possibility that Trump directly conspired with the false electors. That evidence will need to be made available in the discovery phase of the trial.

The prosecution has the burden of producing the evidence. If they cannot, then Trump walks.

And obviously, with the lack of evidence, Trump will win the General Election. A lot is at stake here. Dems must tread very carefully. But they can't. They are a rogue wrecking-ball with no purpose or meaning.
 
SkyChief said:
The prosecution has the burden of producing the evidence. If they cannot, then Trump walks.
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As is true in any trial.........
 
Rogue Valley said:
Many of the charged Georgia GOP "fake electors" held a closed meeting in the state Capital which was penetrated by Georgia journalist (George Chidi) who recorded much of it on his cell phone before being discovered and removed.

During the meeting, these defendents (David Shafer et. al.) never mentioned being ordered to do this by Trump. They only talked about how they could pull this off without anyone noticing until it was too late.
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Do you have a link to the recording or its relevant part?

Note: never saying Trump (or Trump lawyer) talked to me does not in itself imply that they did not, even if they talk about "let's pull this off without anyone noticing", potentially meaning "anyone who is not in the loop". However, if they talked about "let's pull this off without anyone and even Trump knowing", that's a different matter. Then it would indeed sound like Trump or his people may not have directed them.
 
SkyChief said:
Because there was no "incitement speech". The speech that you refer to actually documents Trump asking the poeple to be peaceful.
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Sorry, man. I watched the incitement speeches. You can't fool me with the 'peaceful' thing.
SkyChief said:
This is why all the bogus charges against Trump must be dismissed. However, there is a possibility that Trump directly conspired with the false electors. That evidence will need to be made available in the discovery phase of the trial.
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Trump is screwed. If there's any justice in America.
SkyChief said:
The prosecution has the burden of producing the evidence. If they cannot, then Trump walks.
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Yeah, they've got the evidence. We've already seen and heard a bunch of it, and there's a lot more to come.
SkyChief said:
And obviously, with the lack of evidence, Trump will win the General Election. A lot is at stake here.
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No kidding. A violent insurrectionist and election cheat and secret-document thief, back in our White House.

But the only way he can win would be if the election is rigged. I don't think Americans will sit still for that. They might attack the Capitol or something.
SkyChief said:
Dems must tread very carefully. But they can't. They are a rogue wrecking-ball with no purpose or meaning.
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I'm not political. Not interested in the tribal hate.
 
SkyChief said:
Yeah, right! . . . LOL!

😂 😂 :LOL::LOL::ROFLMAO:

I luv you man - don't ever change. 🤗
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Inciteful argumentation. Six emojis AND a LOL!

How could I possibly refute something like that.
 
Jay Falcon said:
You want them in jail for blaming Trump, not for what the actual crime they committed. Very telling..

Cults suck.
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Indeed



It's to the point now where the cult is pretty much doing the ole "snitches get stitches" thing.

Thugs.
 
Mycroft said:
If they don't have some actual evidence...their word won't cut it...they can say whatever they want and nothing will happen to Trump.
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Yeah, if only there were witnesses.
 
SkyChief said:
LOL. RICO prosecutions still require evidence.

There isn't. It's just testimony by liars. The prosecution will need to show actual evidence - an ad, an e-mail, a blog, a video, etc. . .

If they cannot, a jury is compelled to find the defendant NOT GUILTY.
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How about a phone call with his voice asking for enough votes to to change the election?
 
j brown's body said:
There is a pattern in Trump's corrupt escapades of witnesses refusing to cooperate with investigations. So this is noteworthy.
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Nothing will be good enough evidence for trumpers . They don’t believe what they see with their own eyes or hear with their own ears.
 
SkyChief said:
Because there was no "incitement speech". The speech that you refer to actually documents Trump asking the poeple to be peaceful.

This is why all the bogus charges against Trump must be dismissed. However, there is a possibility that Trump directly conspired with the false electors. That evidence will need to be made available in the discovery phase of the trial.

The prosecution has the burden of producing the evidence. If they cannot, then Trump walks.

And obviously, with the lack of evidence, Trump will win the General Election. A lot is at stake here. Dems must tread very carefully. But they can't. They are a rogue wrecking-ball with no purpose or meaning.
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Is the waving a top secret document in front of a bunch of people with an audio recording and testimony of people who were there, evidence?
 
Hard to believe that groups all around the country separately came up with the idea to get together and put together a document that claims they are the states electors for the electoral college.

Now who benefits from this.

And who coordinated it.

The answer is obvious and the evidence proves it.
 
The problem with the at Trump's "direction" is if you look at the evidence collected by the Jan. 6th Committee, it's hard to tell whether Trump is actually saying what he said or if the staff is taking his name in "vain." At one point, the white supremacist crowd questions whether he will actually be speaking at the Rally on the Ellipse.
 
PoliSciPulse said:
The problem with the at Trump's "direction" is if you look at the evidence collected by the Jan. 6th Committee, it's hard to tell whether Trump is actually saying what he said or if the staff is taking his name in "vain." At one point, the white supremacist crowd questions whether he will actually be speaking at the Rally on the Ellipse.
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Did Trump know what was happening?
silence signifies assent – or, at least, acquiescence.
 
SkyChief said:
If they can produce substantial evidence that Trump had knowledge and gave approval to Chesebro - e.g., an e-mail, a phone call, a vis-a-vis conversation, etc. - then yes, Trump could be convicted.

However, if they cannot - if all they have is hearsay testimony - then Trump skates.
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What about the other people in the room where it happened? If they corroborate the claim that Trump knew what was being done in his name, that counts for nothing? They must all be labeled liars, every last one of them, one by one. What about contemporary notes by others? Those are all just foolishness and the juries must never be allowed to see them or hear from those who made them.

Everyone is a liar. Keep that in mind as all the evidence is unveiled.
 
HenryChinaski said:
www.politico.com

Three Trump codefendants say they became false electors at Trump's 'direction'

Shawn Still, Cathleen Latham and David Shafer are Georgia Republicans charged alongside the former president in a racketeering conspiracy to subvert the 2020 election.
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Associate with Donald Trump and bad things happen, you get charged with racketeering and forgery.
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They are saying that for two reasons.

1. It's true.
2. They're using it as an excuse to get their trials moved to a federal court.

The thing is, anyone can ask someone to do something. The person is very free to make their own choice.

In this case the fake electors made a choice. They chose to break the law. They were free to say NO and not break the law but they agreed with trump and freely broke the law.

It's not trump's fault they made that choice.

However, they are using that as a very flimsy excuse to take their trial to federal court where they believe they have a better chance to be found not guilty. Or if found guilty, can be pardoned by a republican president. They obviously don't believe they can get a pardon from the state of Georgia.

What they seem to be failing to consider, is if they are found guilty in federal court they will go to a federal prison where there is no parole or probation. People serve their full sentences in federal prison.
 
craig said:
Did Trump know what was happening?
silence signifies assent – or, at least, acquiescence.
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Did Trump know prior to Jan. 6th that there would be a rally on the Ellipse? Yes. Did he know that protesters would come armed and try to take over the Capitol? Undetermined. I haven't seen enough proof using the documents seen here to prove one way or the other. Once the protests started, was he silent when he should have spoken out much sooner, thereby having at least some of, if not the lion's share of, the blame? Absolutely.

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Select January 6th Committee Final Report and Supporting Materials Collection

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