I understand what you were doing. My point is that it was a contrarian position that really had not context in this particular thread other than to say, "so what... lefties are still violent". Presentation is EVERYTHING.
And nowadays, everything's a fight. No one tries to reason or present their position anymore. It's just "you suck, you're evil, I hate you". Both sides do that.
Yet...
They already want money and political power just handed to them. Who knows what those communist assholes will do with that political power.
Actually, the leftist cops were the Durham City Police that were told to stand down and just watch them do this, and left the Sheriff and his office deal it it on their own. City Police still have jurisdiction to enforce the law on County property that is located WITHIN THE CITY.
Why on Earth is it so difficult to denounce Nazism?
Why on Earth is it so difficult to denounce the "White Supremacy" movement???
Seriously. That's the damn problem.
Regardless of whether the 2017 white, American, males calling themselves Nazis are a far cry from the German Nazis of 1940's era, why is it so difficult to simply say that kind of ideology won't be accepted in the USofA?
Sure, you can also blame those on the opposing side for getting violent, but not specifically calling out the Nazi/White Supremacy group first and foremost is absolutely F'n disgraceful.
It also sends a very dangerous message. It's shocking how many fail to see that.
You know what I see? I see two sides, both so frightened of admitting a problem with the extremists of their side because doing so might give the other side leverage of which to attack them, that neither will ever condemn those extremists of their side without saying "but you too". If you want cut through all the crap, that's what is the foundation of the problem. And until the partisan stupidity, EQUALLY DONE BY BOTH SIDES, stops and people actually start talking again rather than accusing and condemning, this is NEVER going to change.
Question: what extremists are on "my side"?
The REAL ISSUE here (as I see it) is that there were some people who apparently didn't want a statue taken down because they don't want history tampered with. Some of them were probably citizens of the town. Some of them were supposed to have been Nazis. I wasn't there, so I don't know. But the fact that taking down a statue that has been standing for 90 years and is in the National Register of historic places for no reason other than that it suits the current mood of SOME extremists has been lost in the shuffle. And for some of these people to jump up and start screaming "Nazi!" hasn't made that any clearer.
It's also going to cost the city a bundle to take the statue down.
So how about this? How about we let the citizens of Charlottesville handle this and the rest of these people STFU?
If you are right wing, the extremists are the neo-Nazis. If you are left wing, the extremists are whoever the counterprotesters who wanted violence and got violent were.
As far as the statues go, removing them does nothing to history. History is still in tact, still in the books, still remembered. The statues, however, symbolize a positive memorial to the memory of what they represent, and what they represent is nothing to really celebrate or memorialize in a positive way. I see no reason for such a representation to be supported by the Federal Government, and since they are on the National Register, something managed by the Federal Government, the Federal Government is sanctioning them. I'd prefer to leave it up to the Feds to decide.
Actually, the "neo-Nazis" have nothing to do with me. And the left has more to do with the old Nazis than anybody on the right does:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N39W2DI/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
Yeah, history will still be in the books. Until the books are gone, too. Or edited. Haven't you ever read 1984?
History is history, warts and all. If you don't know where you've been you can't know where you are going.
No, it was a Charlottesville resident who donated the statue and it is on city property. It's a local matter.
The old Nazis were decidedly right wing from their prejudices, to their authoritarianism, to their propaganda, to their elitism. Oh, and I tend to ignore anything written by conservative nutjobs. Liberal nutjobs too. So, the link to that book is irrelevant.
You do know 1984 is fiction, right? But who were the people who wanted to ban books? Right wingers. Affected their sensibilities and morality. I'd be more worried about right wingers getting rid of books than left wingers.
Never differed from that. Doesn't mean all of history should be memorialized and/or celebrated.
It's on that National Registry. It's now a Federal matter.
Saying that each side is equally responsible for the violence is not making an argument for moral equivalence but if you believe it is, that's fine. Then they are morally equivalent. I have no problem with that. Violent extremists are violent extremists. Both sides showed up itching for a fight and both sides are equally responsible for a fight breaking out. Call it what you like, but that is just a fact.Which is moral equivalence, as I said.
The problem with most extremist groups is that they are rarely FOR anything, but are usually AGAINST things. But your comments are completely inaccurate. Nazis of today are certainly for more liberty (pro-2A, pro-choice of association), certainly limited government as they want government to leave them alone to do what they want with no restrictions at all, and free markets. We are not talking about the Nazis of Germany. These are American Nazis, and like it or not, they have taken right wing positions to the extreme. So yes, they are extremists on your side of the political spectrum.
No, you presented moral equivalence as did Trump.
When someone sees demanding equal rights exactly the same as racial genocide, they're a pretty ****ed up and racist individual. Please don't kill anyone.
I'm not a big fan of cops either.
Which is not something that he does in other instances. Can you explain that?
Thousands gather for peaceful candlelight vigil at UVA - CNN
God-damned violent lefty libs.... wait, what?
But apparently it's only the lefty libs who get violent. Haven't you been paying attention?
But, when that same group calls for genocide, you ignore it.
Please, by all means point out the Black Lives Matter leadership and members calling for racial genocide. Demanding equal rights to you is the same as racial genocide, you don't see a moral difference. Those damn negroes might as well kill you if they want to force you to live side by side with them, huh?
I did. You ignored it.
No you didn't. You claimed BLM supports racial genocide and posted a Breitbart article showing a person on twitter tweeting it. You then try to apply that to hundreds of thousands of Americans that have taken part in the rallies and protests. Racial genocide is at the very core of naziism, yet you have to reach to blogs calling out individual twitter users to try to pretend that the demand for racial equality is the same as racial genocide.
Nice double standard. Figures.
The only one who got violent at this vigil WAS a lefty lib.
Oh you poor, poor victim. Blacks demanding equal rights as you is JUST LIKE racial genocide. Better grab your torch and start fighting back.
I've seen evidence in other posts of yours that you can't possibly be this ignorant about things.
So you're suggesting that the guy in the car, that killed the innocent lady and inured 19 others, was a lefty lib?
I'm not a big fan of cops either.
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