Thousands flee as wildfires burn out of control in and around Los Angeles and homes are destroyed (7 Viewers)

[Taylor]

I didn't know about that. Do you have a link? Are you talking statewide?

That's LA - something the fire chief said the other day. I think she said 68 fewer figherfighters.

 

[countryboy]

That is objectively false.

How many times do we have to do this? Did Myorkas not say after hurricane Helene, that FEMA wouldn't have enough money to last through hurricane season, or not? Of course he did, it's on video. Did FEMA not spend billions on illegal aliens? Of course they did. Your denial is objectively false.

 

[Lursa]

Bringing up climate change on this thread is a moot point. It's irrelevant as to man-made fires. Fires just don't start on their own. Santa Ana winds aren't new, they are a constant weather condition, but in fact, they did make the fires in this particular event, catastrophic.

Fire do start "on their own," or at least naturally. Including by changes due to climate change. It's an increasing risk. You are the perfect example of what I wrote. It's an event of this scale due to cumulative reasons/conditions. And they've all been discussed in this thread. I'm sorry it's not as simplistic at "trimming" the plants.

OTOH what's moot is that naturally-started or man-made...man and his influences and changes arent going anywhere and still need to be mitigated as much as possible. Climate change also isnt going to change significantly in the years to come so it DOES need to be accounted for.

Did you really not expect something like this? Do you also believe there wont be a "big one" earthquake? I've commented on the insanity of the development above LA for decades. We're supposed to have a "big one" earthquake here too. I have tried to be as prepared as financially possible and it would not likely be deadly in my home in the country.

 

[Lursa]

We know in fact the fire spread to forests managed by the federal government. Heck, yeah!
Just thought of something.

Do we know in fact that this is where they started though? Maybe someone had lots of brush on their private property and a landscaper used a brush/weed Wacker causing the initial spark? All it takes is a spark if the nylon string from the Wacker hits something, like a rock, brick, stump stone, that would then in turn, ignite the initial flame.

OTOH, it could have been kids playing with matches in their backyard, a pyromaniac, or an arsonist with a sick agenda.

Due to the winds, the direction of the fire's movements are pretty easily tracked.

 

[Lursa]

Funny how three women beat out all the men for those leadership positions in the fire department, especially chief, in a male dominated field. And all three women happen to be lesbians? Did they really get the best people for those jobs?

What were their test scores? Their skill levels? Their experience in the field? Their leadership successes? What's the ratio of men to women in the other LA divisions/So Cal FDs? I did see video last night of a male firefghter who couldnt carry his male counterpart who was passing out and couldnt walk. He sat him on a curb and ran to get 2 more guys.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

We know in fact the fire spread to forests managed by the federal government. Heck, yeah!

Not spread to. Started in areas managed by the federal government. That's the first two main fires.

The third and fourth are suspected arson and a probably line/SoCal Edison spark/infrastructure malfunction.

Just thought of something.

Do we know in fact that this is where they started though? Maybe someone had lots of brush on their private property and a landscaper used a brush/weed Wacker causing the initial spark? All it takes is a spark if the nylon string from the Wacker hits something, like a rock, brick, stump stone, that would then in turn, ignite the initial flame.

OTOH, it could have been kids playing with matches in their backyard, a pyromaniac, or an arsonist with a sick agenda.

The Eaton Fire started in Eaton Canyon, in the federally-owned Angeles National Forest. (So so pretty. I've been in various areas there a zillion times.)

The Palisades fire started in Temescal Gateway Park in the Santa Monica National Recreation Area.

The Kenneth Fire was probably arson and a suspect has been contained. So it likely was not caused by a spark accidentally catching in mismanaged overgrowth...since someone purposely set the area ablaze. It started in Woodland Hills, a (very large) neighborhood.

The Hurst fire also started in a neighborhood. A SoCal Edison spark/glitch is suspected as the cause.

 

[Trump]

Do you mean 10,000?

I mean you only doubled it, it's not like that's a huge lie or anything...

California wildfires latest: Rain brings relief — and mudslides — to burn areas in Los Angeles

More than an inch of rain fell in parts of Los Angeles Monday afternoon, triggering flash flood watches and warnings in areas scorched by this month's wildfires.

www.yahoo.com

This is 12k and it was yesterday numbers.

Families in shock begin to visit their charred homes in the Los Angeles area

Officials urged more people to heed evacuation orders after a new blaze, the Kenneth Fire, started in the San Fernando Valley and quickly grew.

apnews.com

 

[venice_ca]

Paywall….how many homes does this article say were destroyed?

1978 slide damaged and destroyed 50 homes.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/53881470e4b04631a5e04ebb/t/56cca9d34c2f85e8047f5a79/1456253397732/Department+of+Conservation-+California+Geological+Survey.pdf

2005 slide damaged and destroyed 15 homes.

Click on Overview for Bluebird Canyon information.

Rainfall and Landslides in Southern California | U.S. Geological Survey

A summary of recent and past landslides and debris flows caused by rainfall in Southern California.

www.usgs.gov

 

[countryboy]

Ooh, that stings. Ouch-a-rooney.
Hard to get happy after that one.

Just curious, countryboy, in the country where you live do they manage forests by raking up brush and fallen limbs and detritus to rob fuel from forest fires? Is that a thing out in the country where you live?
Cuz I grew up in one of the most heavily forested parts of the world and I never heard of such a thing. I live on 21 acres of raw west coast forest on an island where logging is the main industry (along with mining) and people would laugh at anyone who suggested that nonsense.

We don't have a forest fire problem in Ohio, California does. California has had environmental regs for decades that not only don't mitigate fuel removal, but prohibit it due to "environmental concerns". And I'm not letting the Feds off the hook either, they have similar restrictions on fuel removal. Who runs Federal bureaucracies, a bunch of career Democrats, that's who.

The gathering of firewood is strictly regulated, and the cutting of dead standing trees larger than 15" in diameter at the base prohibited. Some areas prohibit the cutting of any dead standing tree. Why? Why not allow firewood cutters to remove fuel? It's asinine. Of course, California strictly regulates the burning of wood for heat as well, because "climate change", or, spotted owls, or, snail darters, and on and on. https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd614372.pdf

I was trying to pull up California regulations, but none of the websites will come up. Curious. I'm sure it's a coincidence.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

That's LA - something the fire chief said the other day. I think she said 68 fewer figherfighters.

You're going to have to forgive me but if you have no support for this then

 

[Taylor]

You're going to have to forgive me but if you have no support for this then

I can't link to something said in a tv interview, but it's what Kristin Crowley said.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

We don't have a forest fire problem in Ohio, California does.

Does Ohio have more than a quarter inch of rain every 7 months?

California has had environmental regs for decades that not only don't mitigate fuel removal, but prohibit it due to "environmental concerns".

All of it?

How much of it?

How much do you really know about California, besides what you've read in memes?

And I'm not letting the Feds off the hook either, they have similar restrictions on fuel removal.

Good, LOL.

Know who one of the feds was a few years back, who now is saying he knew all along that CA forests should be routinely cleared? But...didn't? Although he was president...

I do. But I'll give you a minute to think about it and come up with an answer.

Who runs Federal bureaucracies, a bunch of career Democrats, that's who.

LOL.

The gathering of firewood is strictly regulated, and the cutting of dead standing trees larger than 15" in diameter at the base prohibited.

NONE of these fires started with trees.

Some areas prohibit the cutting of any dead standing tree. Why? Why not allow firewood cutters to remove fuel? It's asinine.

What, in all those treed massive forests? You know, the ones that are mostly in NorCal and not the brush you see much more of in SoCal?

Of course, California strictly regulates the burning of wood for heat as well, because "climate change", or, spotted owls, or, snail darters, and on and on. https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd614372.pdf

So you believe people in neighborhoods all over SoCal should randomly start cutting down trees they don't own, wherever they can manage to find them (they can legally cut down their own planted trees on their lawns, of course), and put them in the backyard and start burning them?

Remember we are talking about Southern California Neighborhoods where the fires were either arson or an electrical accident, or up the mountains (cause not yet known) on mostly federally- and partly state-owned land.

Can you legally walk up into state or federally-owned land, chop down trees (if you can find any there amid the natural chapparal) and burn them up in your back yard?

I was trying to pull up California regulations, but none of the websites will come up. Curious. I'm sure it's a coincidence.

NO. It is NOT A COINCIDENCE. It's the deep state, watching your computer personally, and making sure you, personally -- basically, a nobody like all of us here on this board -- can't find public regulations.

Any regulations.

 

[Anthony60]

What were their test scores? Their skill levels? Their experience in the field? Their leadership successes? What's the ratio of men to women in the other LA divisions/So Cal FDs? I did see video last night of a male firefghter who couldnt carry his male counterpart who was passing out and couldnt walk. He sat him on a curb and ran to get 2 more guys.

I'm just looking at it from a mathematical standpoint. Of course, it would be hard to figure out what the odds are, but it's fair bet that they are pretty astronomical.

 

[Anthony60]

Why is it funny? This is L.A.

Well, if it's going to happen anywhere, LA's the place.

 

[Lursa]

We don't have a forest fire problem in Ohio, California does. California has had environmental regs for decades that not only don't mitigate fuel removal, but prohibit it due to "environmental concerns". And I'm not letting the Feds off the hook either, they have similar restrictions on fuel removal. Who runs Federal bureaucracies, a bunch of career Democrats, that's who.

The gathering of firewood is strictly regulated, and the cutting of dead standing trees larger than 15" in diameter at the base prohibited. Some areas prohibit the cutting of any dead standing tree. Why? Why not allow firewood cutters to remove fuel? It's asinine. Of course, California strictly regulates the burning of wood for heat as well, because "climate change", or, spotted owls, or, snail darters, and on and on. https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd614372.pdf

I was trying to pull up California regulations, but none of the websites will come up. Curious. I'm sure it's a coincidence.

Did you know that the kinds of trees you're describing are NOT the kinds of trees in the live oak/chaparral forests in the LA basin/hills? The area is mostly scrub. And there's no spotted owl nesting

And yeah, home heating with wood is very restricted...So Cal has a big air pollution problem...you havent noticed? But I bet you're against any regulation of factories, industries, and vehicles that reduces that...right?

We're back to..."oh it's so simple! One size fits all, take it at face value" and not even realize there's downstream consequences.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

I can't link to something said in a tv interview, but it's what Kristin Crowley said.

Yes you can, I'm finding links to portions of that "Did the city fail you" interview all over the place. Is that the one you mean? Either way, such a hot button statement on a televised interview would definitely be searchable.

So...I'm searching kristin crowley fewer firefighters and I'm getting nothing. Just more sections of that same interview. She doesn't say there are fewer firefighers and firehouses in ANY of them. Or on AP or other news coverage about her "spat with the city" and so on. She does complain of the budget cuts. She doesn't specify how they have affected the performance of the FD specifically. Equipment...manpower...number of trucks? Administration quitting and calls aren't being routed correctly? Firefighters quitting b/c pay isn't high enough with the "budget cuts"? What?

I do also see lots of "rumor Crowley fired debunked" articles coming up. So...MAGAs who spread tweets about how the lesbian they can't stand for being a DEI hire was getting fired, lied. Wow...that's such a surprise.

So putting this all together...methinks you saw a meme and repeated it...unless you can suddenly find support for your claim. If you can, then I'm wrong.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

Well, if it's going to happen anywhere, LA's the place.

Well sure. Or another locale that has a comparatively large gay, etc. community.

So again...this is weird? Or somehow a suspected DEI multi-hire? Why? What if they WERE the best people for their jobs?

 

[Pyrite]

ct

Excuse me but no, I don't rattle off talking points from the internet. I know people who live in LA, who are affected by the fires, and who work in government.

The water reservoir at Palisades which is supposed to be full was shut off. It's bone dry. There's no excuse for this in fire season.

LA specifically does not have a climate problem, it has an inept government problem, at every level of governance. The state and municipal governments completely failed the people of LA and everyone knows it except die-hard climate alarmists who have their heads in the sand.

I have no "agenda"... I hear every day about what's happening on the ground. What do you have? Mainstream news? *eye roll*

The globe has "a climate problem", whether you want to acknowledge this fact or no.

Global warming (what you like to prettify as "climate change") can result in more intense weather conditions/disasters.

 

[Callen]

The compassion, worry and support for the 10's of thousands of fellow Americans in devastating circumstances is......pathetic

 

[Lursa]

I'm just looking at it from a mathematical standpoint. Of course, it would be hard to figure out what the odds are, but it's fair bet that they are pretty astronomical.

Why would the odds be "pretty astronomical?" If qualifications are equal...good for them going with diversity. It's a long time coming...men have taken getting such jobs for granted forever...why not diversify with qualities that the individuals have?

Women and men are not the same. For instance, men are much more aggressive. Who says that's the best thing in leadership? Aggressive does not = decisive or intelligent. The more women in place, maybe we'll find out. If it's not, it can be changed. It's like some people dont believe society can be changed for the better. That only white males should be leading us into the future. It's a pretty ****ed up world...IMO more women should get a chance.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

I'm just looking at it from a mathematical standpoint. Of course, it would be hard to figure out what the odds are, but it's fair bet that they are pretty astronomical.

And? Do odds mean things will always fall exactly? Say there is a 1 in...I don't know. 50 chance of all women landing those jobs. Does that mean that 50 hires from now, 4 women in a row will again be hired, then no women at all for 50 more hires? No it does not.

Given the fact that something like 18% of women are firefighters, many of them working their way up, aren't the odds that so many of those higher-up jobs haven't been women until now astronomically unlikely?



You say "a male-dominated field." I don't think you see how interesting it is that there's actually a double meaning in there. It's not just mathematical, now is it? Probably not.

And yet, finally coming into a time period when qualified women ARE considered at least as often as men -- and where there actually can be a group of women, all qualified, just as there can easily be a group of qualified men, both groups on their own merits -- is considered "pretty astronomical"ly unlikely. Well...by you.

 

[Taylor]

I'm just looking at it from a mathematical standpoint. Of course, it would be hard to figure out what the odds are, but it's fair bet that they are pretty astronomical.

This guy claims that he had to wait seven years for a job opportunity that someone else got in a week.

 

[mike2810]

Well, the dry brush from the living plant needs to be cut every growing season, and the plant itself must remain to prevent erosion of slopes and hills. You know how the new growth every spring is so pretty and green, and then the heat comes, and nobody waters these plants, and then the tops of these native plants turn to tinder? The tinder, the fuel for fires needs to be cut down down to the ground. The living roots will hold slopes and hills in place.

Then you should ask Congress to authorize funding for the fuel treatment. After all the feds own 48% of the State.

 

[BirdinHand]

Ohio

No one wants to live in Ohio though

They actually have almost as bad a population decline as % of population as CA.

Except in Ohio, it’s not because of costs - it’s just because no one wants to live there

 

[Fearandloathing]

We have all kinds of rules and laws…..we also have people in charge that ignore lots of rules and laws.

We also had high winds in Orange County

The canyons that are burning in LA county now have never been cleared with any fire breaks around building….watch the local news get educated.

.....arbitrary and useless when a master con artist like Trump walks away from 84 counts of fraud!

I bet anyone else who tries that (who do no have buddies on the supremely corrupt court) will go to jail.

Justice?