Thoughts on the press conference?

[jnug]

Your concession is accepted with the grace by which it was offered.

Didn't concede anything. Try again.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[triharder]

Sorry, neither Trump nor Harris could have expressed the domestic agenda and domestic accomplishments with the competence that Biden exhibited last night.

Notice MSM media is ignoring that this morning. More proof that they don't give a shit. A Trump presidency is better for them because chaos is better for them. So much for American News Media. Done with them both in reporting and editorializing. Its all trash all the time now from every corner of News Media.

No matter what happens, you - and everyone else - is going to have to live their life to the best of their abilities. Sure...we could be better. We're not going to be. Humans aren't capable of that as a whole. It's not sustainable because a war, fight, battle...whatever is ALWAYS about controlling resources.

It's a very difficult world. It's a hell of a lot worse for so many more. Americans should get used to the idea that no one really gives a crap about them other than they people they know. We're not a country working for the glory of the United States and bringing a better country. That's what our government is supposed to do. They won't. They are working to control resources so they can make more profit. We live here. That's about all. That's how I see it now.

 

[jnug]

There has been lots of talk of Kamala however you are not going to hear them talk to much of this publicly until he steps down but I'm certain the behind the scenes talk is intense.

These D politicians do not even offer a path that makes sense if Biden steps aside. When or if they talk about Harris is another issue.

 

[jnug]

No matter what happens, you - and everyone else - is going to have to live their life to the best of their abilities. Sure...we could be better. We're not going to be. Humans aren't capable of that as a whole. It's not sustainable because a war, fight, battle...whatever is ALWAYS about controlling resources.

It's a very difficult world. It's a hell of a lot worse for so many more. Americans should get used to the idea that no one really gives a crap about them other than they people they know. We're not a country working for the glory of the United States and bringing a better country. That's what our government is supposed to do. They won't. They are working to control resources so they can make more profit. We live here. That's about all. That's how I see it now.

So your position is that this could not get worse. Neat take.

 

[reinaert]

Didn't concede anything. Try again.

Sure. You have no response except 'bah nah nag nah nah neener [flustered sounds, translation impossible] bluster" when people actually respond to your questions about 'the path forward'.

It's Kamala. If Biden is the honorable man his camp claims him to be, and if he's right that 50 Dems could beat Trump, he'll do what his loyalists cannot: he'll back the woman about whom he just told NATO's leaders could step up.

 

[jnug]

Sure. You have no response except 'bah nah nag nah nah neener [flustered sounds, translation impossible] bluster" when people actually respond to your questions about 'the path forward'.

It's Kamala. If Biden is the honorable man his camp claims him to be, and if he's right that 50 Dems could beat Trump, he'll do what his loyalists cannot: he'll back the woman he just told NATO's leaders could step up.

Its an opinion forum. You have yours......I have mine. DEAL WITH IT.

 

[reinaert]

Its an opinion forum. You have yours......I have mine. DEAL WITH IT.

Your fluster is showing. Loyalism will do that.

 

[jnug]

Your fluster is showing. Loyalism will do that.

Try again. Your Opinion is no more valid than mine. DEAL WITH IT.

Biden has set the terms for his stepping down. You can deal with that too.

My opinion is that Harris does not stand a better chance of beating Trump than Biden does and that the inherent risk to tossing Biden off the truck are greater for D's than keeping Biden on the truck.

 

[triharder]

show me the picture - lets talk about it

It's already been talked about. He's already done it. That's just ONE example of many. I know you are able to find every excuse in the world for him. There is no problem at all in the MAGA cult doing that. It's his mental illness that I am more concerned about. And his criminal behavior. That used to be something that so-called Republicans were against.

 

[zincwarrior]

Sure. You have no response except 'bah nah nag nah nah neener [flustered sounds, translation impossible] bluster" when people actually respond to your questions about 'the path forward'.

It's Kamala. If Biden is the honorable man his camp claims him to be, and if he's right that 50 Dems could beat Trump, he'll do what his loyalists cannot: he'll back the woman about whom he just told NATO's leaders could step up.

He can run on their track record and start the admin with many of Biden's cabinet advisors.

 

[zincwarrior]

Try again. Your Opinion is no more valid than mine. DEAL WITH IT.

incorrect. I am wearing a bright red Hawaiian shirt. Therefor all other opinions than mine are invalid!

 

[triharder]

So your position is that this could not get worse. Neat take.

Oh no. My position is that this will ABOLUTELY (pun intended) get worse. My position is there is not JACK that anyone can do about it. Who cares who is the President when the "S"COTUS is passing legislation from behind the bench and they have lifetime appointments? You don't need to elect a lawyer to get a case in front of them, do you?

Congress isn't going to do anything to legislate in any significant way. It is ABSOLUTE loyalty that is expected, otherwise people threaten their lives. Presidents can no do ABSOLUTELY (pun intended) anything and avoid criminal prosecution. Trump or Biden are the LEAST of America's problems to worry about. I just think Trump will accelerate that corruption faster. Either way, it is inevitable.

 

[jnug]

Oh no. My position is that this will ABOLUTELY (pun intended) get worse. My position is there is not JACK that anyone can do about it. Who cares who is the President when the "S"COTUS is passing legislation from behind the bench and they have lifetime appointments? You don't need to elect a lawyer to get a case in front of them, do you?

So your position is that it does not matter who is President. I have contended and still contend in these pages that because of what the SC has done, it actually matters more who is in the WH.

 

[hecatmoggie]

It's already been talked about. He's already done it. That's just ONE example of many. I know you are able to find every excuse in the world for him. There is no problem at all in the MAGA cult doing that. It's his mental illness that I am more concerned about. And his criminal behavior. That used to be something that so-called Republicans were against.

show me the picture

what's been talked about was what happened in a court room - maybe the picture DID look like his wife? I don't know ... lets see it

or admit its a petty dig at Trump and lets move on

 

[triharder]

So your position is that it does not matter who is President. I have contended and still contend in these pages that because of what the SC has done, it actually matters more who is in the WH.

I'm glad you still have hope. It's a good thing to have. It's just not something that I have in regards to the "United" (cough) Corporate States. Biden was in the White House and the SC did what it did. It legislated rights of people to be determined by the States. In 2010 when Obama was President, it ruled that corporations are people and unleashed a government that is TRULY controlled by wealth.

How exactly did either of those Presidents help? I presume you were a fan of Obama. He wasn't able to do anything about that. I presume you - at least - were a fan of Biden. He wasn't able to do anything about the SCOTUS taking away people's rights.

It's the SCOTUS with lifetime appointments that matters now. And NOTHING can be done about that. Since they are legislating behind the bench, who cares what the President does?

 

[BirdinHand]

I hate to say it but, one VP Drumpf gaff trumps 20 minutes of detailed policy nerdism for a wide swath of low information voters (the largest segment of voters btw).

And in reality a majority of Americans aren’t paying ANY attention whatsoever to debates and interviews in July. They’re enjoying their summer vacations, their busy with their kids home for the summer, etc.

Only 47-51 million Americans watched the debate according to news sources. Fewer than in 2016 or 2020 by more than 30%.

The majority of voters aren’t paying attention in June and July.

My guess is that precedence will hold.

Recycled losers rarely win and incumbents rarely lose.

Voters are going to fill out the ballot and vote for Biden if he’s at the top of the ticket if they lean Democrat or anti-Trump. All that’s needed is to get them to the polls or to return their ballots.

It’s a POTUS election. You’re going to get your voters that don’t turn out for midterms, primaries, etc and only show up once every 4 years. These people couldn’t tell you who their representatives most days. A significant portion don’t even watch any news any longer because they’re sick of how every news channel is partisan rhetoric…and they don’t follow politics closely. They go out and they vote their party and get their sticker and call it a day. They don’t answer “polls” either. Which is why polls have become completely useless. Polls conducted via cellphones and online especially. They can’t be bothered to waste their time with them.

The DNC just needs to get their voters to the polls.

Sorry....no chance. Trump is just a blowhard know-nothing and Harris can only keep abreast of a single issue......Abortion. That is often the case with former prosecutors. Their focus tends to be sharp but narrow. It is why Rep Dan Goldman from NY seems so out of place even just as a congressman.

That’s insulting. And based on nothing but conjecture.

 

[jnug]

Here, I have a consolation prize for those that want Kamila to move to the top of the ticket:
IMO, expressed in this forum many times is that the best way to get Kamila to the WH would be for Biden to win in November, die or become infirm in the WH elevating Kamila to the Oval. There she would have whatever time remains to prove to the electorate that she can do the job before 2028 giving her a shot at 4 plus years in the Oval.

I really don't know what the Harris supporters are complaining about.

 

[justabubba]

Biden could have done better.

i'm not so sure
he has always been a walking gaffe machine
and now more prone to confuse persons and lose his train of thought

let me note that his opponent has similar shortcomings, often mistaking names and more likely than not, wandering off-script

He should have done better.

that said, he did display a considerable command of foreign policy at the macro level
he so suffers when compared to Obama's ability to clearly articulate what is being communicated ... but then, that was one of Obama's gifts

joe was unconvincing when addressing the many questions asking why he should remain the party's nominee

here is a good read assessing biden's press conference ... it also includees a reference to 1980, when senator biden tried to rally his party to dump Jimmy Carter, believing Uncle Jimmy would lose, and for fear that would adversely impact democratic candidates on the down ballots
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/11/biden-press-conference-reactions/

 

[jnug]

I'm glad you still have hope. It's a good thing to have. It's just not something that I have in regards to the "United" (cough) Corporate States. Biden was in the White House and the SC did what it did. It legislated rights of people to be determined by the States. In 2010 when Obama was President, it ruled that corporations are people and unleashed a government that is TRULY controlled by wealth.

How exactly did either of those Presidents help? I presume you were a fan of Obama. He wasn't able to do anything about that. I presume you - at least - were a fan of Biden. He wasn't able to do anything about the SCOTUS taking away people's rights.

NOPE....as I have said in this forum, the three worst presidents of the modern era IMO are Bush43, Obama and Trump each by varying degrees worse than his predecessor and in combination the worse three presidents of the modern era all in a row. Dopey Bush43 transferred power to his VP making Chaney the most consequential VP of the modern era. Obama was clueless with regard to the use of power and Trump simply used power to road grade the rest of government. If he gets in again HE WILL FINISH THE JOB.

It's the SCOTUS with lifetime appointments that matters now. And NOTHING can be done about that. Since they are legislating behind the bench, who cares what the President does?

 

[justabubba]

Harris will be the nominee.

Harris doesn't have the baggage of either Biden or Trump.

neither does she posses their gifts

 

[Callen]

These D politicians do not even offer a path that makes sense if Biden steps aside. When or if they talk about Harris is another issu

Neither you or I have any idea what discussions are going on behind closed doors especially at the highest levels. If nothing else they are most definitely discussing how best to move forward. This is hugely complex and of the utmost importance.

 

[element94]

Then country is in much better hands with a declining Joe, and more than capable Kamala Harris than the disgrace, international embarrassment, criminal and traitor Donald Trump.

 

[triharder]

NOPE....as I have said in this forum, the three worst presidents of the modern era IMO are Bush43, Obama and Trump each by varying degrees worse than his predecessor and in combination the worse three presidents of the modern era all in a row. Dopey Bush43 transferred power to his VP making Chaney the most consequential VP of the modern era. Obama was clueless with regard to the use of power and Trump simply used power to road grade the rest of government. If he gets in again HE WILL FINISH THE JOB.

Well, o.k. then. The bottom line is the same - the SCOTUS legislated behind the bench and Presidents can't do anything about that. And Congress won't do anything either. We deserve what we get. The "United" States wasn't founded on peace and love. It was taken by force. Makes sense that it may "die" like that as well.

 

[humbolt]

It’s just a matter of time before Biden drops out. When members of your party start describing you as “decent,” you’re on your way out. When major donors balk, you’re on your way out. The press conference doesn’t matter. It’s already over. Biden just doesn’t know it yet.