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Those Aren't Zimmerman's Cries on 911 Tape: Experts

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Those Aren't Zimmerman's Cries on 911 Tape: Experts - Zimmerman claimed he was one crying for help, but evidence says no


I don't know that it really comes to "proof" of anything, but it does at least throw a little doubt on Zimmerman's story.

In other news of really going WAAAAAAY too far:

Sanford March Compares Trayvon to Jesus Christ - Zimmerman ordered to take anger management after brush with law

Didn't deserve to die? I'd agree with that. Like Jesus? No.
 
I'm personally just sad that a 17 year old died.
 
Trayvon Martin did not deserve to die.
And former Florida Governor Jeb Bush thinks Zimmerman should be arrested.

Republican Jeb Bush Wants Zimmerman Arrested | Global Grind


Jeb said:

“This law does not apply to this particular circumstance… Stand your ground means stand your ground. It doesn’t mean chase after somebody who’s turned their back.”
 
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I listened to the tape. Sounds like a kid to me, not a full grown adult. Unless that adult has Helium vocal cords.

I think I'm most disgusted with the caller who was "hiding" in her house because someone was screaming for help..then heard a gunshot. Speaking for myself, if I heard someone outside my home in a gated community screaming for help, I would have gone out there as fast as I could. But that's me.
 
I mean that could change some things, but given how none of us know for total what happened, I doubt anything will move forward.
 

Since noone knows exactly what happened it seems to me Bush is running his mouth for publicity and saying whats popular. But I suppose if a Bush said it it must be true huh?
 
Enola said:
I listened to the tape. Sounds like a kid to me, not a full grown adult. Unless that adult has Helium vocal cords.
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I'm not sure there is much of a difference between a 17 year old and someone in their 20's. At least voice wise. If Trayvon were pre-pubescent, then you would have a good point.
 
muciti said:
Since noone knows exactly what happened it seems to me Bush is running his mouth for publicity and saying whats popular. But I suppose if a Bush said it it must be true huh?
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It does carry some weight with Republicans. Otherwise nobody would ask him.
 
Trayvon Martin shooting: It's not George Zimmerman crying for help on 911 recording,


A second forensic expert has also confirmed that it was not Zimmerman screaming for help, as he claims. No comment from me needed here, folks.

Article is here.
 
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The plot thickens.
there are so many threads about this saga, it's going to need a subforum soon.

My thoughts are, we are never actually going to know what happened.
however, I beleive Zimmerman should stand trial and have the 'facts' sorted out in court.
Otherwise the kind of idle speculation by the medica (ala above) and the black community and every other man and his dog will continue.
 
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As I said in the thread I started about this same thing, I don't think it amounts to "proof" that it wasn't him. However, it should make you wonder about his story just a little bit.
 
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Well that's interesting. If it were Trayvon it seems that would suggest that by the time he was shot he was no longer a threat to Zimmerman, meaning self defense is a harder sell.
 
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the voice sounds like someone younger than Zimmerman.

that tape gave me goosebumps.
 
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So, why are these experts talking to the media and not the cops?
 
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apdst said:
So, why are these experts talking to the media and not the cops?
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Perhaps the SPD and regular citizens have different obligations in this case.
Just guessing. w/e
 
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apdst said:
So, why are these experts talking to the media and not the cops?
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They were probably contracted by the Orlando Sentinel to take a look at it.

Personally, I am still of the opinion that you can't accurately make this determination using someone frantically screaming and comparing it to someone talking normal.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
Perhaps the SPD and regular citizens have different obligations in this case.
Just guessing. w/e
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Or, perhaps these, "experts", are more interested in fueling the flames than anything else.

Did you notice the nice little plug that Owen Forensics, LLC got out of the article?

Last time I checked, it's not the job of the media, with the help of private citizens, to investigate and presecute other citizens. Kinda the whole reason that we have a justice system, to begin with.

Jus' sayin'.
 
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Caine said:
They were probably contracted by the Orlando Sentinel to take a look at it.
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You're probably right, which--IMO--doesn't lend much credibility, because the Sentinel may be printing the story they wanted, not necessarily the story they got.

Personally, I am still of the opinion that you can't accurately make this determination using someone frantically screaming and comparing it to someone talking normal.
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I'm of the opinion that, for the most part, voice forensics is more akin to voodoo than forensics.
 
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apdst said:
I'm of the opinion that, for the most part, voice forensics is more akin to voodoo than forensics.
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If you back your opinion up with appropriate data, I'd be willing to agree with you.

At first glance, it seems it's something we've been working since WWII and it is used regularly in multiple venues including law enforcement and intelligence gathering and has been used in courts across the country.
But I am open to new data if you have some.
 
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apdst said:
Last time I checked, it's not the job of the media, with the help of private citizens, to investigate and presecute other citizens.
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Afaict, it actually IS the job of the media to investigate.

One of the reasons that we have freedom of the press to begin with.

Jus' sayin'.
 
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tessaesque said:
Well that's interesting. If it were Trayvon it seems that would suggest that by the time he was shot he was no longer a threat to Zimmerman, meaning self defense is a harder sell.
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Really, why do you think this proves he was no threat?
 
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apdst said:
So, why are these experts talking to the media and not the cops?
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Like every other person and the media who can, these experts are trying to promote themselves and further exploit this situation.
 
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just send this damn thing to trial, like the Sanford police wanted.

then we'll get all the answers.
 
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American said:
Really, why do you think this proves he was no threat?
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I didn't say it proved anything. I said it would seem to suggest....
 
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Thunder said:
just send this damn thing to trial, like the Sanford police wanted.

then we'll get all the answers.
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What answers, no one has been charged? Why don't we throw Zimmerman in a shredder right, that's the least he deserves.....the murdering bastard; amiright?
 
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