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'This will not stand': Air Force resumes teaching on first Black pilots after DEI review

Teaching about the Tuskegee airman doesn't require DEI and never has, your statement above is a pointless no sequitur.



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Yes, they are stories. No coincidence that DEI apologists get their panties in the wad over the correct use of words.



What is the point of this statement? Are you saying the Tuskegee Airman story is fiction? 🤔

It is a DEI story.

Diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) are organizational frameworks which seek to promote the fair treatment and full participation of all people, particularly groups who have historically been underrepresented or subject to discrimination on the basis of identity or disability.[1]
 
So you have to attend a military college to serve in the military? I don't think so.
Plus, still no one has explained to me why it needs to be taught in the service and not to all Americans in high school.
No one owes you any explanations for anything, you have demonstrated, time after time, a reluctance to be educated, enjoy your bliss…….
 
It is a DEI story.

Diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) are organizational frameworks which seek to promote the fair treatment and full participation of all people, particularly groups who have historically been underrepresented or subject to discrimination on the basis of identity or disability.[1]

The Tuskegee Airmen were a segregated unit who are notable because of their excellent performance, but the formation of the Tuskegee Airmen had nothing to do with DEI.
 
No one owes you any explanations for anything, you have demonstrated, time after time, a reluctance to be educated, enjoy your bliss…….
No need to be rude.
If you can't answer you can't answer. Its no big deal.
 
No need to be rude.
If you can't answer you can't answer. Its no big deal.
You have no idea what “rude’ is, or “root,” for that matter……
 
I understand but why are we wasting time teaching basic history. Again, should this not be taught to all Americans in high school?
The Air Force is teaching its own history and historical themes as an armed military service of the United States. The AF teaches new members both officer candidates and enlisted. High schools public and private across the country teaching military service history by service would be great as far as I among some others would be concerned. You need to get on it!
 
The Tuskegee Airmen were a segregated unit who are notable because of their excellent performance, but the formation of the Tuskegee Airmen had nothing to do with DEI.

Before the Tuskegee Airmen, no African American had been a U.S. military pilot. So clearly it was a DEI program.
 
The Air Force is teaching its own history and historical themes as an armed military service of the United States. The AF teaches new members both officer candidates and enlisted. High schools public and private across the country teaching military service history by service would be great as far as I among some others would be concerned. You need to get on it!

I am more of a pointer. You go do it as i point. 😉 😆
 
I am more of a pointer. You go do it as i point. 😉 😆
Alas I point you in this direction....

I suspect Hegseth and MagaMericans like the racial model of the Tuskegee Airmen and that abolishing DEI is the first step to an armed forces that returns to the armed forces of those good ol' dayze when the USA won wars. All black units, all white units -- and blacks as cooks, stewards, rust scrapers, hedge clippers and so on. Get back to the dayze when women made and served coffee better than the men ever could manage to do. After all, it was the men who planned, fought and won the battles eh. And the wars. It was the women who nursed 'em afterward bless 'em.

The way we were.

Before DEI. And all that 14th Amendment birthright stuff. Brown v Board and all that equality stuff. Enough eh!
 
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How are you defining DEI? I (sort of) understand, though disagree with arguments against DEI, but acknowledging the existence of non-white males, and acknowledging past discrimination against them should not be objectionable to anyone. If you think the discrimination was wrong, it should be taught to remind us to do better, and if you think it was right, there’s no reason to hide it.
Conservatives find teaching this history extremely objectionable. They straight up want to erase it.
 
Yes, if fact it was. But I'll add you to the list of responders who claim "that isn't what DEI is!!" without offering your own argument of what you think DEI actually is...
You've been told. You pretend not to hear.
 
Before the Tuskegee Airmen, no African American had been a U.S. military pilot. So clearly it was a DEI program.

LOL No. It was segregated, it was not equitable, diverse or inclusionary.

What you are doing is like arguing that Montgomery bussing laws were DEI because blacks were allowed in the bus.
 
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You've been told. You pretend not to hear.

Nope. J Brown did provide the definition he was going from but it just proved my point.

Also DEI in practice isn't even D, E or I. It is systemic racism couched as a solution for imaginary systemic racism that prioritizes skin color sexuality and self image over actual skill.
 
Indeed I will, becau7se that is where that nonsense belongs. An emotional nutjob Biden fan decided that you can't teach Tuskegee Airman without DEI, and you know that it is a stupid Biden fan that did this because nowhere in the EO or the statement by the new SecDef were anyone ordered to not teach about the Tuskegee Airman, they took it upon themselves to make an announcement that they wouldn't be taught, and the Sec Def immediately shot the moron down, and hopefully the idiot responsible is relieved of duty.
Not so for the bolded.

The AF paused teaching the three hour bloc of basic training instruction on "diversity." This was to comply with Trump's EO nixing "diversity, equality, inclusion" in the armed forces. The Trump sweeping EO ordered the removal of all terminology, programs and contracts of DEI or anything related to the term and its abbreviation.

The AF paused teaching the 3-hour basic training block on diversity to determine its compliance with the Trump sweeping EO. The AF determined that two of the three topics were outside of the EO. The two topics exclusive of DEI are the Tuskegee Airmen and the WASP Womens Airforce Service Pilots, each from WW II. The third hour called "Breaking Barriers" was removed from the curriculum. The AF determined that "Breaking Barriers" is a generalized approach to diversity, equality, inclusion because it was critical of "intolerance, ignorance, oppression" in the USAF.

So I'd guess "intolerance, ignorance, oppression" are the order of the day for America by Trump and His MagaMericans. Actually I don't guess this because it's what I know.

A 2019 revision to Air Force Instruction 36-7001 established the three hours of diversity training in boot camp. Until the 2019 institutionalizing of the three topics in the BT curriculum the videos were only shown on occasion throughout the USAF. I submit that without DEI over the previous decades none of the three videos were conceivable to create or to institutionalize.
 
LOL No. It was segregated, it was not equitable, diverse or inclusionary.

What you are doing is like arguing that Montgomery bussing laws were DEI because blacks were allowed in the bus.

Since all the pilots were white, the introduction of the Tuskegee airmen deprived other whites of the opportunity to take those spots.

Pure DEI.
 
Nope. J Brown did provide the definition he was going from but it just proved my point.

Also DEI in practice isn't even D, E or I. It is systemic racism couched as a solution for imaginary systemic racism that prioritizes skin color sexuality and self image over actual skill.
No, it doesn't.

You're doing what all right wingers do: assuming the minority candidates are less qualified.
 
The Tuskegee Airmen were a segregated unit who are notable because of their excellent performance, but the formation of the Tuskegee Airmen had nothing to do with DEI.
Wrong of course.

Tuskegee Airmen diversified the Army Air Corps and its all white fighter pilots. They established their equality with the white AAC fighter pilots. Their inclusion as fighter pilots in the AAC was cited by Potus Truman as a strong basis of racially integrating the armed forces post WW II.

I say your post is "wrong of course" because MagaMericans deny everything all the time and always. This doesn't stop it however because the Tuskegee Airman and the WASPS Womens' Airforce Service Pilots remain in the basic training curriculum of the USAF.

In fact what this commotion did right away was to box in Hegseth who had to say yes, the AF is right and I'm with it entirely. This boxing in of Hegseth right off was confirmed when Sen. Katie Britt of AL hollered at the AF for its “malicious compliance” with the Trump EO, as Britt put it so angrily. Britt scowled that the AF obeyed the Trump directive in a way that undermined the order’s intent. That the AF put on a big stink to make it appear that Trump lost the battle.

Because, as you posted in scrolling, nothing in Trump's generalized and sweeping EO said to nix the Tuskegee Airmen or the WASPS from the AF basic training curriculum. The AF pausing the BT instruction on diversity and reviewing it, then confirming the Tuskegee pilots and the WASP pilots are not DEI, the AF made it look like they saved the day against the Generalissimo and his hit man Hegseth who have been ranting and raging against "woke" for years on end. Indeed, the AF made it look like the AF and Hegseth agree on diversity as a meritorious positive in the armed services.

Neither will this be the first time and the only time the generals and admirals of the Pentagon take the newbie child Hegseth to the cleaners. Pretty soon all SecDef Hegseth's clothes will be in the cleaners. Nothing left to wear any more.
 
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We have been able to teach about these groups without DEI for a long time.
You MAGAs love to kick around the term DEI, treating it as a pejorative without really knowing what it is.
These are stories of merit winning out over racial discrimination. DEI is enforcing Racial discrimination regardless of merit.
Get off it! American meritocracy is a myth. If it truly were one Trump would never have become our President Christ! Look at some of the people Trump has nominated/appointed! Many of them are either underqualified or have little to no relative experience or background to perform the jobs or run the departments he wants them to. Hegseth is a prime example.
Jackie Robinson wouldn't be such a great story if he was a mediocre player who was drafted because he was black rather than breaking the color barrier because he was clearly a better baseball player than the majority of players in the league.
Jackie Robinson wasn't drafted. He was signed to a free-agent contract out of the Negro League. Robinson was 28 years old then. 28 is a rather advanced age for a major league player to begin his career. And arguably he wasn't even the best player in the Negro League. But Dodger President/General Manager, Branch Rickey, wasn't just looking for a Black player with great talent. Branch was also aware that this Black player would also have to be imbued with certain other qualities that were perhaps even more important, such as maturity with a strong sense of inner strength and discipline. The kinds of qualities he would need to be able to endure the wide-scale racist and discriminatory defamations and animus he is sure to face without anger or retaliation no matter how harsh. Because the future of his career and the other Black players aspiring to follow the same path to the Major Leagues depended on it. He explained this to Robinson and Robinson reacted initially with disgust. Saying to Rickey - "Are you looking for a Negro player who is afraid to fight back?" Rickey replied he needed a "Negro player with the guts enough not to fight back." Robinson then agreed to the precondition. So it would appear that Robinson was selected specifically to break Major League Baseball's color barrier. Or what you guys now might call a DEI hire. Let's be clear here. Branch Rickey's desire to end racial segregation in the Major League wasn't born solely of an ideological sense of ethics. His keen business sense played a part in it as well because Rickey was aware that the Negro Leagues contained a wealth of baseball talent So there was that too.
 
You MAGAs love to kick around the term DEI, treating it as a pejorative without really knowing what it is.

I'm not MAGA, and also DEI is systemic racism and sexism.

Get off it! American meritocracy is a myth. If it truly were one Trump would never have become our President Christ! Look at some of the people Trump has nominated/appointed! Many of them are either underqualified or have little to no relative experience or background to perform the jobs or run the departments he wants them to. Hegseth is a prime example.

Blah blah blah. THere will never be a perfect system, the US at it's best is a meritocracy and should always strive to be so. DEI abandon's merit based hiring in favor of race and sexual orientation based hiring which doesn't result in the best employee

Jackie Robinson wasn't drafted. He was signed to a free-agent ... Negro Leagues contained a wealth of baseball talent So there was that too.

Jackie Robinson was selected because he was a very good Baseball player, and he succeeded because he was a very good player. If they chose Jackie Robinson to break the color barrier and he was a below average player he'd be a footnote in history.

Also, the whole reason why there was a push to integrate was because the Negro leagues were gaining a lot of fans and momentum because of the quality of the game in that league. MLB integrated to kill the competition.
 
Wrong of course.

Tuskegee Airmen diversified the Army Air Corps...

LOL!! The Tuskegee Airmen were a segregated unit. They didn't diversify the military. As I pointed out earlier, your line of argument is like claiming that "Separate but Equal" was a DEI program. :rolleyes:
 
No, it doesn't.

You're doing what all right wingers do: assuming the minority candidates are less qualified.

Yes, it does. It mandates demographics as the primary selection criteria which doesn't mandate the most skilled workforce.

If you want the most skilled workforce to choose on skill, not skin color. And when you choose on skill alone you still get demographic diversity of the workforce.
 
Since all the pilots were white, the introduction of the Tuskegee airmen deprived other whites of the opportunity to take those spots.

Pure DEI.

Which is like arguing that installing a Blacks-Only water fountain is DEI.

Diversity and Integration would mean that the black pilots were selected and trained in the same training channels as white pilots, but they weren't. They remained a segregated squadron because the military leadership didn't want black officers commanding white pilots.

That isn't diversity, equity or inclusion.
 
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So you have to attend a military college to serve in the military? I don't think so.
Plus, still no one has explained to me why it needs to be taught in the service and not to all Americans in high school.
No you dont need to attend military college to serve in the military but it is the most common way for those who wish to be officer, which is a requirment to fly jets
Do you think they only teach flying at the Air Force Academy? Do you think all members of the airforce fly jets?
Might be a good idea in high school however there is a lot of history and only so much time clearly not all of US let alone human history can be taught in high school, but as it pertains specifically to Air Force history it definetly should be taught there. Same as I would suspect the Navy would teach the history of the Barbary wars but I would not really expect that in high school either.
 
No, it doesn't.

You're doing what all right wingers do: assuming the minority candidates are less qualified.

No, I'm not. I'm assuming that when your selection is based on minority status you aren't selecting for most talented. You might still get the most talented applicant that way, but it would be more luck than on purpose.

If you selected employees based on qualifications and not skin color, gender or sexual orientation you would still select that minority applicant in the scenario above because they were the most talented, the difference being you would be picking the most talented every time, regardless of their minority status.
 
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