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This socialist is much wiser than you are

Tigerace117 said:
Oh really? Did they stop him from invading?

No?

Therefore, they didn’t deter him.

Arguing American troops are what keeps Israel existing is pretty damn funny. Israel hasn’t been in existential danger for decades.
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You missed the forest for the trees; Putin bided his time until Biden got in; he knew Trump wouldn't stand for it. Our deterrence value is only as good as the Commander in Chief.
 
Bullseye said:
Or protecting sea lanes to ensure global trade continues, acting as a deterrent to foreign aggression, providing emergency relief - just to list a few.
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Folks like @Antiwar and @Yes_Minister cannot acknowledge any contributions made by military services around the world because doing so would directly conflict with their childish fantasy view that, if not for militaries/weapons, the world’s populations would all come together in one giant kumbaya hug.
 
Bullseye said:
You missed the forest for the trees; Putin bided his time until Biden got in; he knew Trump wouldn't stand for it. Our deterrence value is only as good as the Commander in Chief.
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:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
Bullseye said:
You missed the forest for the trees; Putin bided his time until Biden got in; he knew Trump wouldn't stand for it. Our deterrence value is only as good as the Commander in Chief.
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Trump would absolutely have “stood for it” because he had no ability to stop it. Your Dear Leader was weak and impotent bud ;)
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Folks like @Antiwar and @Yes_Minister cannot acknowledge any contributions made by military services around the world because doing so would directly conflict with their childish fantasy view that, if not for militaries/weapons, the world’s populations would all come together in one giant kumbaya hug.
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It's fair to ask what the US military has done in the last 20 years that has justified the giant price tag. The US can still have military that doesn't cost 800 billion dollars a year, cut that budget in half, spend that money on infrastructure and maybe the US wouldn't have major cities without clean drinking water.
 
multivita-man said:
Many of the dictators we end up fighting or attempting to depose were either supported by us at one time or are the result of unintended consequences of our foreign policing.
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I agree, which is why the US should avoid supporting anti-democratic nations and groups militarily.
 
Antiwar said:
Look at the title of this person's article.



I don't understand why you want to keep a horrible system going by trying to remediate it. It's like saying, "Let's keep chattel slavery and give twice the amount of investment to free people (which includes slave owners)." Why are you afraid to abolish US militarism? Will the former slaves get revenge?
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Comparing our support of Ukraine to slavery is the perfect example why 95% of the posters on DP don't take your posts seriously.
 
Yes_Minister said:
It's fair to ask what the US military has done in the last 20 years that has justified the giant price tag.
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Your questions were rhetorical, meant only to express your heavily biased, ignorant opinion.
Yes_Minister said:
Even leaving the environmental impact aside, as an institution, what in the last 20 years has the US military done that is worthy of respect? The Iraq War? The Afghanistan War? Abu Ghraib? How many civilians died in those wars and for what? Also the soldiers seemed to be fed into meat grinders. The military only benefits defense contractors and no one else.
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Yes_Minister said:
The US can still have military that doesn't cost 800 billion dollars a year, cut that budget in half, spend that money on infrastructure and maybe the US wouldn't have major cities without clean drinking water.
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^ Exhibit A
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Your questions were rhetorical, meant only to express your heavily biased, ignorant opinion.



^ Exhibit A
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Really, what military campaign waged by the US in the last 20 years has been worth the price in blood and treasure?
 
Yes_Minister said:
Really, what military campaign waged by the US in the last 20 years has been worth the price in blood and treasure?
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You’re asking for an objective answer to a subjective question.

A military campaign that you think wasn’t worth the expenditure of taxpayers dollars and lives lost, someone else may say was worth the costs.
 
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RaleBulgarian said:
You’re asking for an objective answer to a subjective question.

A military campaign that you think wasn’t worth the expenditure of taxpayers dollars and lives lost, someone else may say was worth the costs.
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And that is worth 800 billion dollars a year and all the lives that were lost in these wars?

I think there some military campaigns most would agree were not worth it, how many people think WW1 was worth it? How many Americans think the wars in Vietnam and Iraq were worth it?
 
Geoist said:
I agree, which is why the US should avoid supporting anti-democratic nations and groups militarily.
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I sometimes think we'd be better off if we just had a lot less power. Our currency would be weaker, and we'd have to pay more for things. Probably wouldn't be able to keep building new, large, sprawling subdivisions, but not a bad thing, IMO.
 
Yes_Minister said:
And that is worth 800 billion dollars a year and all the lives that were lost in these wars?
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DOD does not spend $800B a year on military campaigns involving combat operations. Nowhere near.

There are numerous sources, including government, that provide detailed breakdown of the DOD’s annual budget.

For this discussion, the basic breakdown of DOD’s expenditures in the attached link will suffice.
www.govconwire.com

US Military Budget 2022: How Much Does the U.S. Spend on Defense? - GovCon Wire

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Yes_Minister said:
I think there some military campaigns most would agree were not worth it, how many people think WW1 was worth it? How many Americans think the wars in Vietnam and Iraq were worth it?
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I, too, think some military campaigns have been worth the costs, and others have not.
 
Geoist said:
Comparing our support of Ukraine to slavery is the perfect example why 95% of the posters on DP don't take your posts seriously.
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1. You don't know what 95% of people on DP think- that's just a cheap swipe.

2. More importantly: I didn't directly compare supporting Ukraine and slavery. I gave an analogy, which includes a form of comparison, to try to show how supporting militarism is supporting a rotten system.

Would you like to have a serious discussion? If not, I'll move on and see if someone that wants to have a serious discussion replies.
 
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