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This morning Trump declared defacto martial law because of one broken windshield, do you support it?

Do you support martial law?

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ModernDiogenes said:

The Posse Comitatus Act Explained

The law generally prevents the president from using the military as a domestic police force.
www.brennancenter.org www.brennancenter.org

Needs Congressional action under these circumstances. Since there isn’t any, on what grounds is this Constitutional?
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Your own link has the interpretation:

Today, the Posse Comitatus Act operates as an extension of these constitutional safeguards. Moreover, there are statutory exceptions to the law that allow the president to use the military to suppress genuine rebellions and to enforce federal civil rights laws.​
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to use the military to enforce federal law or suppress a rebellion against federal authority in a state, or to protect a group of people’s civil rights when the state government is unable or unwilling to do so.​

I will suggest that the president simply interprets it that a rebellion is taking place, as outlined in the memorandum.

I do hope that more riots get shut down this way. Riots do not belong in a civilized society.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Support? Only loosely.

Leftist rioters most certainly get out of hand, damaging property and threatening others. The memorandum I see as fair legal warning to stop.

To the extent that protests or acts of violence directly inhibit the execution of the laws, they constitute a form of rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States.​
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I suggest that you guys stop cheering on the rioters, and accept that this is a form of rebellion, in that it is a federal facility and the federal authorities are the target.
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Lord of Planar said:
Then maybe the rioters should stop rebelling!

Look what started the war in Ukraine. The government took actions the people did not like., Riots broke out, and were quelled. You lefties cheered the military actions Ukraine took against the people until Russia came in and helped the rioters.
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Accusing peaceful protestors of rebellion to justify their oppression is quintessential authoritarianism.
 
Absentglare said:
Accusing peaceful protestors of rebellion to justify their oppression is quintessential authoritarianism.
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Peaceful protesters need to step back when the rioters in their group start up.

Riots are how the conflict in Ukraine started. Why do you want a war?
 
Lord of Planar said:
Peaceful protesters need to step back when the rioters in their group start up.

Riots are how the conflict in Ukraine started. Why do you want a war?
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Trump wants the war, that’s why he’s taking away our freedom with our military’s guns.
 
Captain Adverse said:
To be honest, I don't expect the Democrats to win back either House or Senate in the upcoming mid-terms.

They are trying to do their best, with the help of most of the leftist Media, to frame Trump's actions in the very worst light possible. It's not working.

The problem is with the fact that the Democrats are acting in such an overtly anti-American, pro-foreign migrant way that even legal immigrants support President Trump's actions to deport these illegal migrants. Meanwhile, despite the Left's control over most media outlets, people can see with their own eyes what is really going on, and are not swayed by the obvious lies and intentional misrepresentations of fact.

I think the Democrats have hitched their wagons to a highly unpopular situation and will suffer in the mid-terms. Time will tell.
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I hope you are right.
What the Dems don't want to acknowledge is that the public is seeing burning of cars, looting, physical confrontations with local police, rock throwing, and fireworks fired at ICE officers. How is that part of peaceful protesting against ICE officers?

It's hard for anyone with half a brain to believe what Newsom and Bass are saying about Trump inflaming the situation by enforcing federal law.
The good news is hundreds of violent protesters are being arrested for violating federal and local laws. That should be a clear message to any protester that peaceful protests means avoiding violence.
 
Absentglare said:
Trump wants the war, that’s why he’s taking away our freedom with our military’s guns.
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Have you suddenly lost your freedom to buy and own a gun for personal use? Are you wise enough to stay from those idiots who believe it is smart to taunt and confront soldiers carrying guns to maintain order.
 
Absentglare said:
What we see in LA is that the president is wielding the military to deprive us of our right to protest.

We might never have another free election in the United States.
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Stick around. Trump will be gone in less than four years.
And if the Dems are really lucky they might find another Bill Clinton or Obama. But, then again, they might get stuck with Pretty Boy Newsom, Kamala, or another Biden.
 
Absentglare said:
So you’re good with Trump deploying the military against anyone who protests his political agenda.
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I'm OK with Trump deploying the military against a mob that outnumbers police and is trying to murder police officers.
 
Absentglare said:
? If you’re not scared then there’s no justification to deploy the military against US civilians.
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Neither you or I are cops who are getting huge rocks tossed through our cruiser windshields from overpasses. That's attempted murder. Oh, and not getting commercial-grade fireworks launched at us either.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
Here is the relevent part of the memo:



And remember, most of the raids are being conducted without warrants, without 4th amendment protections, without court permissions. And now, should any citizens object to these violations, the military is there to make sure they remain silent.
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Sources?
 
What if...? said:
Well, here we go!

Second America Revolution in 3 2 1!

What side will you be on?
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Drama anybody?

Ike deployed troops... so have other Presidents.

In this day of instant reactions people whine a hell of a lot without thinking...


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Absentglare said:
? If you’re not scared then there’s no justification to deploy the military against US civilians.
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Are you afraid of watching violence perpetrated by idiot anarchists who they can burn, loot, throw chunks of cinder blocks, taunt the police, throw fireworks at the police?
Is that what frightens you?
What if you were an ICE officer trying to do his job and not knowing if someone is going to shoot you or hit you with a rock, would you be nervous then?
 
Lord of Planar said:
Your own link has the interpretation:

Today, the Posse Comitatus Act operates as an extension of these constitutional safeguards. Moreover, there are statutory exceptions to the law that allow the president to use the military to suppress genuine rebellions and to enforce federal civil rights laws.​
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to use the military to enforce federal law or suppress a rebellion against federal authority in a state, or to protect a group of people’s civil rights when the state government is unable or unwilling to do so.​

I will suggest that the president simply interprets it that a rebellion is taking place, as outlined in the memorandum.

I do hope that more riots get shut down this way. Riots do not belong in a civilized society.
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Right. I didn’t say different. Now express in a way even this SCOTUS will buy it how a “genuine rebellion” (sedition) is taking place and whose civil rights are being violated other than those whose civil rights to due process are being violated by TRUMP and his unlawful handling of these immigration issues?

There are no grounds to pin the use of the military under federal control (different than the National Guard requested under state jurisdiction) on. No sedition. No one’s civil rights being violated by the targets of the military action.

Now if the military was pointing their attention to the ICE and HSI agents you might have a point. They are the ones violating civil rights of due process (but, again, under orders and I do feel for their being stuck in the middle in this unethical and unconstitutional conduct).
 
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Absentglare said:
He’s not sending in the military to manage a molotov cocktail, he’s sending them in to violate our constitutional right to protest.
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If you are setting cars on fire and throwing rocks at police and/or federal agents, it's no longer protest, its violence and not protected behavior anymore.
 
Absentglare said:
Trump is the one provoking violence.
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Had there been no riots, do you think he would have sent in the NG? I rather think not.

Absentglare said:
He had this plan ahead of time, he talked about it before he was re-elected.
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He specifically stated that he'd call out the NG should ICE agents doing their duty were attacked by rioters?
I'm rather skeptical that he stated those specifics, and think it far more likely a mischaracterization, as the left always seems to do, with Trump.

Absentglare said:
You are conflating sporadic violence with protest.
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No, I'm not.

Absentglare said:
Law enforcement is able to manage the current scale of civilian protests.
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With a peaceful protest, local LE stands around watching the protest, making sure that way.
This is not what we are seeing in LA, where ICE agents are being physically assaulted with weapons, and threatened - being put a greater risk - by their doxxing.
 
eohrnberger said:
The Nazis may very well have done this.
But this is projection, as we can see in this thread, this is the left's same MO.
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Another ridiculous allusion to the Nazis.
The Left and clueless Dems have no acceptable rationale when it comes to excusing anarchic and nihilistic behavior on the part of violent, criminal protesters, so they resort to Nazi comparisons.
Newsom and Bass will continue to dig themselves into a deeper hole because they are incompetent and have no control over those rioting elements as those elements resort to fireworks, Molotov cocktails, cinder blocks, burning cars, fighting with police, and looting of stores which destroy businesses in the L.A. downtown area.
Ordinary citizens around the country see these videos on a daily basis and wonder why the local police cannot do their jobs to control such violence while federal ICE officers are trying to do theirs.
 
Absentglare said:
Accusing peaceful protestors of rebellion to justify their oppression is quintessential authoritarianism.
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No one in their right minds will accuse peaceful protesters of rebellion. The "peaceful protesters" are taking a back seat to the violent rioters, anarchists, and nihilists who really don't give a shit about aliens, illegal or otherwise.
They're of the same stripe as the George Floyd BLM-led rioters who caused billions of dollars of damage all over the country in 2020.
When will the clueless Dems learn the lessons from 2020?
If they can't control rioters in their own sanctuary cities, then they should expect federal intervention to quell such violence.

The following is from my favorite WSJ columnist Jason Riley:

The L.A. Riots Hand Republicans a Political Edge​

Trump is overreaching in his deportation efforts, but voters will care more about the violence in the streets.​

"Democrats are no less guilty of selective outrage. They rightly condemned the attack on the Capitol, yet they (Democrats) have made excuses for everything from violence against Jews on college campuses to arson and looting at Black Lives Matter demonstrations."
"Everyone knows that border security was the president’s top issue when he campaigned for a second term, and polls show that voters trust Republicans far more than Democrats to deal with illegal immigration. Unlawful entries have dropped dramatically this year, but millions of unvetted migrants were allowed into the country under Mr. Trump’s predecessor, and the current administration has vowed to track them down.

The party out of power is learning again that elections have consequences. What Democrats apparently haven’t learned is that street chaos—and those who defend it—plays to the president’s political strengths. Protesters in Los Angeles who are torching vehicles and defacing public buildings with calls for violence aren’t helping their cause. Nor are Democratic officials who are unwilling to acknowledge the role that their crime-friendly policies have played in bringing matters to a head."
 
Bodi said:
Drama anybody?

Ike deployed troops... so have other Presidents.

In this day of instant reactions people whine a hell of a lot without thinking...


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If you focus in on any one aspect it’s easy to wave away.

As a student of history the pattern is disturbing as ****.

It’s like they’re going down a list of things to do to establish an autocratic regime.

Newt Gingrich is so proud of MAGA.

He accomplished exactly what he set out to do
 
Absentglare said:
Trump wants the war, that’s why he’s taking away our freedom with our military’s guns.
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Sorry.

I do not entertain your conspiracy theory. I'll bet you can find others in that forum that agree with you.
 
Maidenrules29 said:
I'm OK with Trump deploying the military against a mob that outnumbers police and is trying to murder police officers.
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This is tricky territory. But I agree that when the local enforcement cannot or do not deal with riots, against the federal buildings and it's people, more serious action needs to be taken.

The left is letting these riots get out of control to dangerous levels.
 
What if...? said:
If you focus in on any one aspect it’s easy to wave away.

As a student of history the pattern is disturbing as ****.

It’s like they’re going down a list of things to do to establish an autocratic regime.

Newt Gingrich is so proud of MAGA.

He accomplished exactly what he set out to do
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DO you get the feeling that Trump is playing the clueless exactly the way he wants?
I don't expect idiot Newsom or Bass to publicly acknowledge the violent protesters in L.A. are playing right into the hands of Trump.
Trump knows the media have no choice but to display images of anarchic protesters committing a number of violent acts which have nothing at all to do with protesting the way ICE is sweeping up illegal aliens.
 
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