This morning, I realized that everything is about to change.

[ElChupacabra]

Maybe you ought to get some help understanding the difference between results due to economic policies and results due to a pandemic and economic shutdown? How does anyone benefit from economic policies if they cannot go back to work?

I understand it just fine, thanks. The question for you, is whether you think people would be going back to work even without the shut downs/restrictions. Even without government shutdowns, people are not rushing to get back to normal because of the high rates of cases and hospitalizations. It's specifically why pandemic mitigation should have been at the forefront of a national strategy.

 

[Conservative]

"ElChupacabra, post: 1073335619, member: 32739"]
Considering the flaws in being an ideological absolutist, I don't see it as the binary choice you do.

My major flaw is continuing this with someone whose mind is made up and has no basic civics understanding as to the role of the President or the governments you have.

I don't hate Trump, as I've stated numerous times. Maybe you should quote this and leave it in your signature so you'll remember. For me, it's a simple matter of seeing Trump as a poor leader. Whether internationally or domestically, he is a polarizing figure who ultimately manifested that in how he operates across the board. That we went from a growing economy to where we are now, falls under his purview. While I don't hold him fully responsible, his contribution to the divisive way people view the pandemic is largely on him. Voting for a president who actively pushed a false and unsubstantiated narrative of election fraud also doesn't make much sense either.

that isn't true at all, your entire argument is that Trump's rhetoric is why you voted for Biden totally ignoring Trump's actual record thus rhetoric is what drives hatred being promoted by the left. You for some reason believe Trump was a poor leader but ignore what authority he had or didn't have. What makes Biden/Harris good leaders? What in their resume supports that claim as they are the alternative to Trump?

Well, considering the wide impact of the pandemic, how can that not be the focus? The pandemic is the cause of the economic malaise, which is why it would have been prudent to have cohesive messaging from all branches of government. Your claim is he should only be held accountable for one aspect of his presidency, but not in its entirety; it's simply not how it works.

because we are a country of 330,000,000 people, 50 different independent states with a U.S. Constitution and 50 state constitutions. You show me in the U.S. Constitution where Trump had responsibility for the pandemic response in your community and state?

I hold Trump completely accountable for the results generated from his economic policies and voted accordingly, for him again. You hold him accountable for your state and local failures still refusing to explain to us where Trump got the authority to manage your state and local responses.

 

[Conservative]

I understand it just fine, thanks. The question for you, is whether you think people would be going back to work even without the shut downs/restrictions. Even without government shutdowns, people are not rushing to get back to normal because of the high rates of cases and hospitalizations. It's specifically why pandemic mitigation should have been at the forefront of a national strategy.

that is personal choice and there are a lot of states doing quite well with unemployment, are those red or blue states? You are scared to death of something that you totally control and that is what makes your argument so poor. You keep buying the media spin, keep buying what the left tells you, and keep waiting for someone else to pay for your personal responsibility issues. It does appear you have no clue as to what taxes you pay or their purpose, not surprising as you still blame someone else instead of who you look at in the mirror every day.

 

[Moot]

right so you claim just like the entitlement mentality you support, people don't need to get off their asses, take responsibility for their own actions because they always can rely on your ideology funded by someone else to take care of them. there is no justification at all for 65 million no excuse mail in ballots when over 90 million actually went to the polls. Your ideology promotes that entitlement mentality and always blames someone else for personal failures

Funny, I don't recall claiming any of that. Maybe you have me confused with your inner self.

1/6....white entitlement ideology was on full display in our nations capitol and it was ugly. And I have yet to see anyone who was there take personal responsibility for their actions...and now here you are projecting onto the left all the evils that your party did and caused. How's that working out for ya?

It's times like these that I really appreciate that we are a nation of laws, not men.

 

[Conservative]

Funny, I don't recall claiming any of that. Maybe you have me confused with your inner self.

1/6....white entitlement ideology was on full display in our nations capitol and it was ugly. And I have yet to see anyone who was there take personal responsibility for their actions...and now here you are projecting onto the left all the evils that your party did and caused. How's that working out for ya?

It's times like these that I really appreciate that we are a nation of laws, not men.

white entitlement? How about just plain entitlement to make my own decisions that have no impact on your instead of waiting for a federal bureaucrat to do it? What personal responsibility has Biden/Harris taken for their empty resume? Biden takes office in 5 days then what?? We are a nation of laws so tell that to the radicals in Congress who impeached a President without due process. Do you know what due process is? Please post for me the Trump quote that led to this impeachment?

 

[ElChupacabra]

that is personal choice and there are a lot of states doing quite well with unemployment, are those red or blue states?

It would be over simplistic to narrow this to just a red/blue state issue since this is more about the impacts to specific industries. For example, if your state's economy is based on tourism, the pandemic impact is going to be more severe.

You are scared to death of something that you totally control and that is what makes your argument so poor.

Scared to death? Nope. But from a results perspective, it's hard to not see the clear problems with increasing case and hospitalization counts since they impact how people behave regardless of state restrictions. Locally, restaurants are opened for limited for indoor dining, but even with that in place people are not packing in to dine indoors. I know this because of the restauranteurs I know in a variety of locations in NJ and NY.

You keep buying the media spin, keep buying what the left tells you, and keep waiting for someone else to pay for your personal responsibility issues. It does appear you have no clue as to what taxes you pay or their purpose, not surprising as you still blame someone else instead of who you look at in the mirror every day.

Irrelevant rant is irrelevant.

 

[Conservative]

It would be over simplistic to narrow this to just a red/blue state issue since this is more about the impacts to specific industries. For example, if your state's economy is based on tourism, the pandemic impact is going to be more severe.


Scared to death? Nope. But from a results perspective, it's hard to not see the clear problems with increasing case and hospitalization counts since they impact how people behave regardless of state restrictions. Locally, restaurants are opened for limited for indoor dining, but even with that in place people are not packing in to dine indoors. I know this because of the restauranteurs I know in a variety of locations in NJ and NY.



Irrelevant rant is irrelevant.

Right, the President has more power over your state and local activities than your governor or mayor? This is your argument? Far too many people like you wanting a bureaucrat to tell you what to do, provide for what you want, and never hold you responsible for your own actions. Waiting for an answer, how do people benefit from economic policies without being able to go back to work?

 

[Conservative]

It would be over simplistic to narrow this to just a red/blue state issue since this is more about the impacts to specific industries. For example, if your state's economy is based on tourism, the pandemic impact is going to be more severe.


Scared to death? Nope. But from a results perspective, it's hard to not see the clear problems with increasing case and hospitalization counts since they impact how people behave regardless of state restrictions. Locally, restaurants are opened for limited for indoor dining, but even with that in place people are not packing in to dine indoors. I know this because of the restauranteurs I know in a variety of locations in NJ and NY.



Irrelevant rant is irrelevant.

I suggest you do better research and pay attention to what is actually happening vs what you are being told

Democrats Changed Us House Rules so They Could Smear Trump During Impeachment | Conservative Insider

 

[Lursa]

Oh, hey, another angry email forward.

How fascinating.

Ah, such victims. And like toddlers, even crying before they're hurt.

 

[can2man]

Could somebody mail me a communist. I've never met one and yet I hear so much about them - would just like to poke it a bit.

 

[Luce]

Ah, such victims. And like toddlers, even crying before they're hurt.

I'm investing in froth futures.

 

[Conservative]

Could somebody mail me a communist. I've never met one and yet I hear so much about them - would just like to poke it a bit.

Democrats Changed Us House Rules so They Could Smear Trump During Impeachment | Conservative Insider

 

[can2man]

Democrats Changed Us House Rules so They Could Smear Trump During Impeachment | Conservative Insider

Welcome to unprecedented times.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Right, the President has more power over your state and local activities than your governor or mayor? This is your argument? Far too many people like you wanting a bureaucrat to tell you what to do, provide for what you want, and never hold you responsible for your own actions.

Nope, that's not my argument. If you read and understood the numerous times I've stated it, you wouldn't be asking this question.

Waiting for an answer, how do people benefit from economic policies without being able to go back to work?

You have asked this question before, and I have answered it. The problem with the previous times you've asked it, is it was loaded with the premise that it's only restrictions preventing people getting back to work. The problem of low demand in the most impacted industries are the biggest problem. It's why from a national perspective, contributing to local strategies made perfect sense.

 

[jakiejakester]

Right and of those 81 million, 65 million minus those with official absentee ballots refused to show up at the polls refusing to do their civic duty and responsibilities.

Wait! Are you saying that only 16 million Biden voters went to the polls? Are you sure? There's NO WAY that's true. Did you mistype that? My understanding is that 42% of Biden voters voted in person. 42% of 81 million = 34,020,000 leaving 46,980,000 who voted by mail.

Why must you lie???

The voting experience in 2020

From the piece:

Two-thirds of Trump voters say they voted in person, compared with 42% of Biden voters.

 

[joko104]

what is idiotic is the failure of people like you to recognize when you have been made a fool of and diverted from the results generated the prior four years. Such hatred you have for someone who has done no harm to you, your family or this country. On the contrary, I thank President Trump for the past four years and the following results

Thank you for showing us that we don’t need to be under China’s thumb anymore economically, or any other way.

Thank you for one of the strongest economies we’ve ever experienced in my lifetime.

Thank you for all you have done for the minority communities, and the outstanding decrease in the unemployment rate you had.

Thank you for making it feel good to love our country and to be a proud patriot again.

Thank you for supporting our Nation's flag and the men and women who fought for the freedom that stands behind that flag.

Thank you for supporting our nation's law enforcement organizations, and understanding how difficult their job really is.

Thank you for quelling the flood of illegal immigration and bringing to justice the thousands of criminals that flood brought us.

Thank you for giving corporations a reason to come back to America to make our own products and put Americans back to work.

Thank you for bringing our troops home from endless deployments that presented us with little more than body bags; and for your commitment to strengthen our military.

Thank you for operation warp speed and keeping your promise to bringing the Covid 19 vaccine to us in less than a year.

Thank you for your never-ending attempts at bringing to the Middle East and your support for Israel.

Thank you for your Tax relief, and thank you for our energy independence.

Most of all though..

THANK YOU for taking a damn rotten job that you never had to take!!

Thank you for caring enough for this country to want to try and make a difference.

Thank you for showing America how little Career Politicians actually work for their constituents; and for showing us how much those politicians despise you for showing America how easy it is to build a great nation, rather than rape her to line their own pockets and stock portfolios.

Thank you for allowing us to experience a President that wasn’t a lifelong politician, but a lifelong American.

THANK YOU, MR PRESIDENT..... YOU DID YOUR BEST....

It is sad to wake up realizing that Hitler and the Nazis have totally taken over government and all info outlets banning and censoring political opposition - openly calling for a "purge" of the country of anyone who will not bow down and worship the richest white men on earth and the new ultra white racial segregationist president-election. It didn't take even 1 day to start outright gunning down unarmed political protesters or mobilizing the military with "shoot to kill" ordered against anyone who dares protest the corporate-fascist take over of the country.

Joe Biden will be the first present to take office with standing orders to the US military to shoot to kill anyone who dare protest him, bringing in tens of thousands to do so.

This is the inauguration Joe Biden wants:

https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/nazi.jpg?w=800&quality=85

 

[ElChupacabra]

I suggest you do better research and pay attention to what is actually happening vs what you are being told

Democrats Changed Us House Rules so They Could Smear Trump During Impeachment | Conservative Insider

So you're upset that the president who made a habit of calling people names is now being called names? You're upset decorum in the House has been changed when we have a president who forsook the decorum for post election process? Man, you must be clutching your pearls.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Actually, you're guilty of ignoring results except what you perceive as economic gains. Nothing else matters to you, nothing. That's a twisted way to view the world but it is your right to do so. Fortunately for the USA, your lack of empathy or understanding of anything but raw numbers is in a tiny minority. The average American cares about others beyond themselves and it's this characteristic that makes America GREAT. Lack of empathy for anything or anyone aligns you directly with Trump which is why you have such a man crush on him. In your view Trump has done nothing wrong and no matter what he says or does or whatever results he produces are OK by you as long as your raw numbers match your needs. VERY UNAMERICAN - actually very AUTHORITARIAN - again which is why you love Trump.

It's why I've said to him that he'd likely be ok with El Chapo so long as the economy was humming. Why not, right? I mean El Chapo's got loads of private sector experience AND has experience evading US government agencies for years.

 

[jakiejakester]

You never answer direct questions and are incapable of admitting when wrong. partial answers don't resonate with anyone and are nothing more than an attempt to divert. Trump hasn't done anywhere near the harm to your city that your mayor and governor have caused so what do you do?? You double down, that is liberal ignorance.

Pfizer Gets $1.95 Billion to Produce Coronavirus Vaccine by Year’s End - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Pfizer was SOLD the vaccine to the US. The US did not fund it's DEVELOPMENT. Can you understand the difference?

 

[ElChupacabra]

My major flaw is continuing this with someone whose mind is made up and has no basic civics understanding as to the role of the President or the governments you have.

No, your flaw is poor counter arguments.

that isn't true at all, your entire argument is that Trump's rhetoric is why you voted for Biden totally ignoring Trump's actual record thus rhetoric is what drives hatred being promoted by the left.

Absolutely incorrect, and I would love for you to cite where I even implied that. I have already clearly outlined why I voted the way I did and the Biden policies I support. I don't hate anyone; it's an unhealthy emotion and a waste of energy and thought. I am not ignoring Trump's record, I'm just don't have the absurdly myopic criteria you do which is to essentially ignore the current state of affairs. If you build me a house and then later burn it down, the fact that you built it isn't going to be all that relevant. Trump was faced with a crisis and blew it, then pushed a false narrative that resulted in a riot at the US Capitol. Yeah, no thanks.

You for some reason believe Trump was a poor leader but ignore what authority he had or didn't have. What makes Biden/Harris good leaders? What in their resume supports that claim as they are the alternative to Trump?

Leadership isn't just about authority but the ability to influence beyond the scope of your role. Leadership 101. Biden has done well at establishing good working relationships with politicians across the aisle, so how that helps him remains to be seen.

because we are a country of 330,000,000 people, 50 different independent states with a U.S. Constitution and 50 state constitutions. You show me in the U.S. Constitution where Trump had responsibility for the pandemic response in your community and state?

God this is daft, and mainly because I've already repeated this a bunch of times already. What you seem to be implying is he take a hands off approach, simply because he wasn't directly responsible. What he could have done was push cohesive messaging to help reinforce existing mitigation measures. In essence: do what he did to politicize the measures (posting ad nauseam on Twitter etc.) but just say the exact opposite.

I hold Trump completely accountable for the results generated from his economic policies and voted accordingly, for him again. You hold him accountable for your state and local failures still refusing to explain to us where Trump got the authority to manage your state and local responses.

Cool. Your selective criteria is noted.

 

[Moot]

white entitlement? How about just plain entitlement to make my own decisions that have no impact on your instead of waiting for a federal bureaucrat to do it? What personal responsibility has Biden/Harris taken for their empty resume? Biden takes office in 5 days then what?? We are a nation of laws so tell that to the radicals in Congress who impeached a President without due process. Do you know what due process is? Please post for me the Trump quote that led to this impeachment?

How about you take personal responsibility for making the wrong decisions? Such as forsaking your country to drink the Kool-aide of a cult leader?

The Senate conducted the trial and Trump got due process.....but you would've known that if you really knew what due process was and didn't live in a plastic bubble.

 

[Sabre]

Oh great, another stupid "socialism!" screed. Sheesh. When will people learn that the US is so far at the other end of the spectrum from socialism that it actually hurts, literally.

Seems certain members government do not agree with that:

During an Instagram livestream on Tuesday night, Ocasio-Cortez at one point answered a question from a viewer asking if there were discussions in Congress for “truth and reconciliation or media literacy initiatives,” and she confirmed there are.

“I do think that several members of Congress, in some of my discussions, have brought up media literacy because that is a part of what happened here and we’re going to have to figure out how we rein in our media environment so that you can’t just spew disinformation, and misinformation,” the congresswoman said.

Disinformation and misinformation would be anything they deem it to be of course. Many are rightfully comparing this to 1984 and the Ministry of Truth. If you do not think there is flirting with socialism in the government then you have not been paying attention, ( which I don't believe ) or you do not want to admit it, yet. Can't happen here right? Read up on a country that once was second to the US and in some ways for a time exceeded it, learn what happened to Argentina.

 

[jakiejakester]

According to you, post the actual quote or statement that did that? You are stunningly ignorant of reality for someone your age

That's why there's going to be a trial in the Senate. If you're so blind and ignorant to what Trump said and did no matter what I post will sway you just like all the times I and everyone else here proved to you the election was 100% legitimate and you never accepted those facts or "quotes." You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink."

Your personal adoration for anything Trump does while completely ignoring all all the incredible bad that Trump did makes it almost impossible to debate with you. You refuse to accept truth and instead cling to conspiracy theories that have been proven to be complete bullshit.

 

[jakiejakester]

Yes, TX is still below NY and with 10 million more people, people in TX choose to make decisions and don't need a bureaucrat to do it for them. Please stop the bullshit, you couldn't care less about TX or covid19 deaths just want to divert from your own failures and the disastrous city and state that you live in. For some reason you need a bureaucrat to tell you what to do, interesting for someone your age

Oy! How can you write that I don't care about others? Remember, I'm a bleeding heart Liberal who does care? My failures? Please enlighten me as to what my failures are? If I recall properly, I'm the one who always writes compassionate posts especially about my fellow Americans. I've never written anything negative about Texans or any other state. I like Texas and love playing golf in your state. You see, unlike you, I don't judge people by their politics. I have far more depth than that. My daughter's in-laws are very Republican and we genuinely love each other and we avoid talking about politics because we won't change each other's minds. We have so many things in common beyond politics, especially our children and granddaughter. I spend every Xmas (except this year) at their beautiful home in Lake Tahoe. We have a great time, always.

The tactic of attacking where someone lives as a way of proving oneself right is petty and small-minded. I'm guessing that you find it hard to believe that people can live their lives whether they're Dems or Republicans without being hate-filled and not expecting the government to make them happy. I've never taken anything from NYC government, why would I? I've built a nice life here with great friends, great job, great opportunities and a social conscience that I agree with. What sounds miserable to you sounds fortunate to me.

 

[Mashmont]

Many years ago I managed telemarketing offices (after selling vacuum cleaners for years.

Expected closing rate was a standard 33-40% Ironically tbe same as trumps support.

There is exactly that number ofthe population that are easily succeptable to influence.

If I was still selling vacuums I would target farm houses with big trump signs and blue silos.

Easy sales...

Why don't you target the minority of suckers who think the 2020 election was legitimate? You could sell thousands of copper bracelets.