This morning, I realized that everything is about to change.

[dockside]

that is what appears to you but that isn't reality, the fact is it was 120,000 votes that cost Trump the Electoral College but that is another issue, the real issue remains why people like you ignored post 11 and hate Trump so much, so much so you cannot even post reasons why

Where did that number, 120,000, come from? I and millions of others, plus federal and state judges, plus Wm Barr, plus the Homeland Security guy who said this election was fair, plus Republican governors and secretaries of state, plus the federal prosecutor from southern Georgia who was sent by Trump to northern Georgia to find the "fraudulent' votes, have seen no evidence of fraudulent votes (maybe a handful but none even approaching a lot or enough to change the election results). I'll bet you heard or read that Trump said that. Oh, o.k. then.

 

[jakiejakester]

I certainly have but you ignored them because context doesn't matter to you, Why don't you explain what Trump has done that has created your hatred and support for Biden?

You've asked almost every poster in this Forum this same question endless times and have received answers endless times. You might not like or agree with our answers but that doesn't mean we haven't told you, over and over and over again.

 

[dockside]

Yes, I accept the fact that you and others just like you refuse to give specific reasons for your hatred of Trump because there are no such valid reasons as he has had zero effect on your, your family to cause this hatred.

This post show all the difference between Trump supporters and liberals. Trump supporters (and most "conservatives") think of only the effect on themselves and, possibly, family. I and people I know who are liberals or progressives or just decent people, not only think of themselves but look at the big picture of how it affects others. I get disturbed when I see photos and read about children caged and taken away from parents they may neve see again. I lose sleep over how a friend of mine and a friend of my daughter have died of Covid19 when their deaths could have been prevented had Trump immediately, upon learning of the virus, instituted steps to stop its rapid spread and shown leadership. I am upset that there are people who badly need an income unable to work at their jobs and that businesses (small ones, the corporations are doing great so Republicans are happy about that) are having trouble staying open. That's just for starters but to summarize, Trump's lack of leadership, ineptness, paucity of moral character, and lies, along with a majority of his policies (there are very few that he can take credit for - he likes to claim that laws institute under Obama are ones that he instituted) have hurt a lot of people and I have great sympathy and concern for them and donate to charitable agencies that help them.

 

[jakiejakester]

how can someone like you live in this country and not understand even basic civics or the economics of this country? I don't care if Trump is a good guy or not, I didn't vote for anyone based upon their personality, I voted for Trump to generate the results we got due to his economic policies. You cannot seem to grasp that reality that it isn't the government's role to tell you what your personal responsibility issues are, the true role of the Federal Gov't is provide for the Common defense and PROMOTE not provide for domestic welfare and they do that by promoting the private sector and you making choices for you and your family

It's very sad that you only have one measuring stick. Sad for you, I think? To not have empathy for others and to not care about human suffering which is in plain sight and to not care about character is so sad.

 

[Conservative]

Like far too many, you don't seem to grasp the basic concept that the primary reason Trump lost is because of Trump's own actions

Right, results don't matter, your feelings do

 

[Conservative]

This post show all the difference between Trump supporters and liberals. Trump supporters (and most "conservatives") think of only the effect on themselves and, possibly, family. I and people I know who are liberals or progressives or just decent people, not only think of themselves but look at the big picture of how it affects others. I get disturbed when I see photos and read about children caged and taken away from parents they may neve see again. I lose sleep over how a friend of mine and a friend of my daughter have died of Covid19 when their deaths could have been prevented had Trump immediately, upon learning of the virus, instituted steps to stop its rapid spread and shown leadership. I am upset that there are people who badly need an income unable to work at their jobs and that businesses (small ones, the corporations are doing great so Republicans are happy about that) are having trouble staying open. That's just for starters but to summarize, Trump's lack of leadership, ineptness, paucity of moral character, and lies, along with a majority of his policies (there are very few that he can take credit for - he likes to claim that laws institute under Obama are ones that he instituted) have hurt a lot of people and I have great sympathy and concern for them and donate to charitable agencies that help them.

Right, you believe you know what is best for everyone else so where are the results? Enslaving people and destroying incentives defines liberalism eer racism

Start think with your brain instead of your heart

 

[Irredentist]

Right, results don't matter, your feelings do

Results? You mean like winning an election? The thing that trump failed to do? Those results definitely matter.

 

[dockside]

Same authority the feds claim for anything that readily crosses borders?

Or maybe even that the feds claim all of the air abover ground as "theirs" and SARS-CoV-2 is transmitted by the air? Like an airplane or radio wave?

And of course we have a federal Centers for Disease Control that claimed jurisdiction for testing in the beginning. As well as federal groups like FEMA. Becasue hurricanes can affect multiple states.

Kinda getting an idea of why trumps claims thag its the responsibility of individual governors Is inconsistent with everything else in the federal system?

Yeah, he'd probably would have been in favor of telling the governor of Hawaii that Pearl Harbor was his problem and to figure it out, had Hawaii been a state in 1941.

 

[Conservative]

You've asked almost every poster in this Forum this same question endless times and have received answers endless times. You might not like or agree with our answers but that doesn't mean we haven't told you, over and over and over again.

You can put that to bed right now, answer the question

You would ignore Trump's first 3 years to focus on something he doesn't control except in your partisan mind

You are too old to be so easily fooled

 

[j brown's body]

The real danger is that some of the western world is turning to fascism. Never thought we'd see it here, but it was banging at the Capitol doors last week. Here's hoping we can recover. Imoeaching and convicting Trump and expelling those legislators who aided and abetted his coup would be a good start to saving our democracy.

 

[j brown's body]

Yes, you are right.

The Dems' pure "dislike" of President Trump was pathological.

And Pelosi's campaign against him indicates a personal grudge.

The die has been cast.

The next four years will change everything forever.

Hopefully, it will EVENTUALLY result in the division of this nation into at least two (or more) nations based on common political & cultural values.

Too be fair, Trump would have scarcely existed without cultivating that dislike that he worked so hard to earn. He exploits it masterfully. His supporters love him for being a counterpuncher. But take that away, and there's nothing there.

 

[j brown's body]

it is truly amazing how elite liberals like you who live in your bubble are so loyal to an ideology that enslaves people and creates career politicians. It is stunning how none of this affects you and your family nor do you care who it really does affect, liberalism destroys incentive, destroys lives, and promotes career politicians who spend money better than everyone else to keep their job and their power

The 'socialism bubble. Jesus, the right has been calling liberals socialists since 1932. Now Biden is apparently one. Its really time to move on.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Where is the threat you face if you don’t pass this on?

It's the link just past the one you have to click on if you want to claim your African kingdom inheritance.

 

[ElChupacabra]

You can put that to bed right now, answer the question

You would ignore Trump's first 3 years to focus on something he doesn't control except in your partisan mind

Because it bears repeating:

You are too old to be so easily fooled

Based on the comment below, how is COVID 19 not Trump's fault by his own standard?

 

[Grand Mal]

Trump pissed off the establishment on both sides as he never has been a politician and that seems to be what you want, someone to tell you what to do and what you want to hear. There isn't anything he can do the next four years that comes close to the hatred spewed and created by the left the past four years. Results don't matter to the left so they divert from them. I never have liked Trump but like most Americans was better off the first three years of his Presidency than at any time in the past and that includes the Reagan years which says quite a bit.

See, you can't help yourself, can you. I've said **** all that 'seems like' that's what I want, that's just you beaking off like a kid in a middle school yard. Talk about hate, you hate "the left" so much that you let your hate make an ass of you with every post. Your boy Trump screwed your country so badly your cities were burning but you support him because he pissed off the left. Your hate is so virulent you'll support anything that pisses off the left, no matter how bad it is for your country.
You're to blame for the sad state of your society, you and every other sucker who bought into the scam. The main reason you lot stick with Trump is you can't admit how badly you screwed up, how suckered you were by a scammer.

 

[Linc]

what results really bother you so much, what in post 11 do you have a problem


that is your opinion and what the record shows HOWEVER there is no evidence that this is reality, too many irregularities and 74 million people cannot and will not be ignored. Results do bother me because you ignored them and still won't answer the question as to why you hate Trump so much? There are a lot of ignorant people in this country and a lot of foreign interference by people like you so I don't put much faith in the reality that America spoke especially since he lost the EC by a total of 120,000 votes out of almost 160 million and that is in 5 states. You buy the 81 million, I don't nor does the reality that mail in ballots for over 65 million Americans don't meet the smell test. The elect is over and the fact that you don't live in this country means you can discount the irregularities like sending mail in ballots to every registered voter in the 8 states without cleaned up voter rolls and historic low rejection rates as none of this affects you at all.

We didn’t hear you complain about Trump barely winning the EC by 77 k votes in three states while losing by 3 million votes in 2016 as you bring up 5 states and 120,000 votes in 2020.

Btw, your 120,000 number should be 158 k in the five states of PA, WI, AZ, GA, and NV. MI was 155 k. That continues to show how the EC favors the GOP.

The EC was actually much closer than that 120,00 in 2020. Trump lost WI, AZ, and GA by only 43 k. Those 37 EVs would have given us a 269 tie, with Trump winning in the House.

Only half of those 74.2 million are still with Trump and that number will continue to dwindle with his future actions, such as his final round of corrupt Pardons.

Nice UE numbers today, eh. Pence is now the acting President, thank Goodness. All Trump has left to do is his last round of corrupt pardons.

 

[ElChupacabra]

We didn’t hear you complain about Trump barely winning the EC by 77 k votes in three states while losing by 3 million votes in 2016 as you bring up 5 states and 120,000 votes in 2020.

Btw, your 120,000 number should be 158 k in the five states of PA, WI, AZ, GA, and NV. MI was 155 k. That continues to show how the EC favors the GOP.

The EC was actually much closer than that 120,00 in 2020. Trump lost WI, AZ, and GA by only 43 k. Those 37 EVs would have given us a 269 tie, with Trump winning in the House.

Only half of those 74.2 million are still with Trump and that number will continue to dwindle with his future actions, such as his final round of corrupt Pardons.

Nice UE numbers today, eh. Pence is now the acting President, thank Goodness. All Trump has left to do is his last round of corrupt pardons.

Yep. It's one of those situations where the double standard rears its head. As I have pointed out before, there's also Trump's acceptance of a supposedly rigged election without any protestation or lawsuits in 2016. If Clinton were to have followed Trump's playbook, she would have been perfectly justified in filing a host of lawsuits and contesting the narrow margins in some states.

 

[Conservative]

The real danger is that some of the western world is turning to fascism. Never thought we'd see it here, but it was banging at the Capitol doors last week. Here's hoping we can recover. Imoeaching and convicting Trump and expelling those legislators who aided and abetted his coup would be a good start to saving our democracy.

Right impeaching a President by a radical House without due process isn't fascism, 4 years of hatred and destruction of anyone that doesn't believe in YOUR ideology is fascism. Far too many have been indoctrinated too well. You have no idea what fascism is

 

[Conservative]

Because it bears repeating:

Based on the comment below, how is COVID 19 not Trump's fault by his own standard?

Yes, words really impact people like you certainly not results. FACT management 101 you cannot have responsibility without authority. You like far too many will ignore all the good to focus on perceived bad totally ignoring responsibility. 3 years of the best results in American history and the best you can do is focus on rhetoric or supposed lack of it?

 

[Conservative]

The 'socialism bubble. Jesus, the right has been calling liberals socialists since 1932. Now Biden is apparently one. Its really time to move on.

It is time for people like you to answer direct questions, why do you hate Trump so much, what has he done that has hurt you, your family, or the country? The liberal ideology and socialism go hand in hand for with liberals it is never the individuals fault for poor personal choices and bad consequences, always someone else's

 

[Conservative]

We didn’t hear you complain about Trump barely winning the EC by 77 k votes in three states while losing by 3 million votes in 2016 as you bring up 5 states and 120,000 votes in 2020.

Btw, your 120,000 number should be 158 k in the five states of PA, WI, AZ, GA, and NV. MI was 155 k. That continues to show how the EC favors the GOP.

The EC was actually much closer than that 120,00 in 2020. Trump lost WI, AZ, and GA by only 43 k. Those 37 EVs would have given us a 269 tie, with Trump winning in the House.

Only half of those 74.2 million are still with Trump and that number will continue to dwindle with his future actions, such as his final round of corrupt Pardons.

Nice UE numbers today, eh. Pence is now the acting President, thank Goodness. All Trump has left to do is his last round of corrupt pardons.

Didn't have 65 million Americans failing to go to the polls in 2016 thus no excuse mail in ballots that were sent in with different standards than absentee ballots but again the election is over, Biden will be President, you going to spend the next four years blaming Trump? I will never understand your loyalty to liberalism until I realize that it is words that matter to you not results. Liberalism talks about compassion, spending in the name of compassion and generates dependence creating multi millionaire public servants. You spent 4 years hating Trump and still cannot explain why?

 

[jakiejakester]

free from out of pocket expense and due to President Trump's efforts to get it produced by the end of the year. Tax dollars paid for the shot, taxes paid by only 54% of income earners. I suggest you do some actual research and get an education on basic civics and economics as that isn't my role here

not 100% true. Pfizer did not take any money from the government to develop its vaccine. Plus, isn't it SOCIALISM to accept a free vaccine or healthcare? Aren't you against "socialized" medicine? If you were pure in your beliefs you would have insisted on paying for your vaccine. Maybe you should send some extra funds in when you pay your taxes?

 

[Conservative]

not 100% true. Pfizer did not take any money from the government to develop its vaccine. Plus, isn't it SOCIALISM to accept a free vaccine or healthcare? Aren't you against "socialized" medicine? If you were pure in your beliefs you would have insisted on paying for your vaccine. Maybe you should send some extra funds in when you pay your taxes?

LOL, Again you have no idea what you are talking about, is this something a liberal education teaches you? You going to answer the question as to why you hate Trump so much? I do pay for the gov't as I am one of the 54% of income earners that actually pay FIT!

 

[ElChupacabra]

Yes, words really impact people like you certainly not results.

Yes, words impact a whole host of people; it's why people in leadership positions use them in all sorts of rhetorical devices. The result of words impacting people was evident in what we witnessed on 1/6/2021.

FACT management 101 you cannot have responsibility without authority. You like far too many will ignore all the good to focus on perceived bad totally ignoring responsibility. 3 years of the best results in American history and the best you can do is focus on rhetoric or supposed lack of it?

Well, you may want to send Trump this "management 101" lesson, because based on his public comments he sure doesn't get it. If Trump understood "management 101", why did he blame Obama for Ebola making it here? Clearly he could have blamed one of the West African nations where it started (much like he did China with COVID 19), but chose the sitting US president to blame; why?

As for results, I (like most people including economists, political historians et.al) are looking at Trump's results in the full context of his tenure. You, however, choose to select which portions you want to cite and ignore everything else. That practice is dishonest and inaccurate. It's like focusing on the score when your sports team was in the lead but ignoring the fact they still lost.

 

[Conservative]

="ElChupacabra, post: 1073333293, member: 32739"]
Yes, words impact a whole host of people; it's why people in leadership positions use them in all sorts of rhetorical devices. The result of words impacting people was evident in what we witnessed on 1/6/2021.

What exactly is it going to take for you to see what a fraud liberalism is?

Well, you may want to send Trump this "management 101" lesson, because based on his public comments he sure doesn't get it. If Trump understood "management 101", why did he blame Obama for Ebola making it here? Clearly he could have blamed one of the West African nations where it started (much like he did China with COVID 19), but chose the sitting US president to blame; why?

After spending 35 years in the private sector and being taught by Reagan to trust but verify I never have bought rhetoric and challenge people like you to do the same, What results has Trump generated that caused this kind of hatred from you and the left? Results matter not rhetoric

As for results, I (like most people including economists, political historians et.al) are looking at Trump's results in the full context of his tenure. You, however, choose to select which portions you want to cite, and ignore everything else. That practice is dishonest and inaccurate. It's like focusing on the score when your sports team was in the lead but ignoring the fact they still lost.

As I have, judged Trump on the economic results generated by his policies and the pandemic results, i.e. vaccine, support for the states. You cannot seem to do the same thing. To you it is all about pandemic results of blaming him for results that he didn't have the authority to create. Why are you judging Trump on the past year and not the entirety of his Administration. Post 11