This is why parents are tired of schools and Covid protocols.

[screenwriter]

You sure love these bizarre rabbit holes. Please cite where I ever said COVID is 100% deadly. In post #185 he clarifies and states they should be counted separate from healthy people, which is fine as a separate data point, but they count all the same in the general tally. Even in his response he led with they should not be counted, only to then make the distinction of data sets.


Sure, and if we had a nation without a large percentage of co-morbidities, the calculus would be a bit different. It's hard to escape the fact that during the pandemic, the death rate of people in questionable health rose dramatically.

So you're backtracking on flying off the deep end and implying they shouldn't be counted (if they can't be counted as a Covid death)?

The number one co morbidity is PREVENTABLE and REVERSABLE - obesity. That has ALWAYS been my focus. Gibraltar is the ONLY country addressing the issue.

If you agree it isn't 100% fatal then are you willing to condemn the message of the pro-vax crowd then? Their whole argument to try and convince people to take the vaccine is the "YOU GET COVID YOU DIE" rhetoric. It's a lie that does more harm than good. A lie that is repeated over and over on MSM and SM trying to scare people into taking the vaccine. The scare tactics should have been shut down a long time ago.

 

[Ginger Ale]

There is no real pandemic, other than a pandemic of free loaders milking public benefits that allow them to get paid for calling out with the cold

This answer has to be a joke, right?

You mean people all over the world in every country are calling out with a cold for benefits? Seriously?

 

[Lursa]

Good thing you're not in the data aggregation and analysis fields.

At least he admits that all 'human lives' are not equal or the same.

Now he's on the hook to demonstrate how we are obligated to violate women's rights to force them to give birth...risking their lives and contributions to society...while justifying their unborn are more important than those already contributing to society: the elderly and those with possibly compromised health conditions.

 

[Lursa]

In many ways it is. If it wasn’t for the media panic no one would even know Covid was a thing. If this happened in 1850 it would just be called “the Peking flu” and life would be on and no one would care that much

So you think we'd benefit from living in social and technological and medical conditions from the 1850's?

Wft? Please explain that.

 

[ElChupacabra]

So you're backtracking on flying off the deep end and implying they shouldn't be counted (if they can't be counted as a Covid death)?

Not at all. I had asked the question because that's where the poster seemed to be going, which was then confirmed in part by his response.

The number one co morbidity is PREVENTABLE and REVERSABLE - obesity. That has ALWAYS been my focus. Gibraltar is the ONLY country addressing the issue.

Sure, but the last time I asked you how this would be done, you didn't offer much in the way of steps to take. Everyone in this country and other industrialized nations have plenty of information on the hazards of obesity and other preventable conditions, yet that knowledge has not prompted any action; the trend is going the other way.

If you agree it isn't 100% fatal then are you willing to condemn the message of the pro-vax crowd then? Their whole argument to try and convince people to take the vaccine is the "YOU GET COVID YOU DIE" rhetoric.

I don't agree that the argument is that binary across everyone who supports vaccination, but what's clear is that getting the vaccine has a wide variety of benefits to the person who is inoculated and others, by reducing the need for hospital care and prior to Omicron, decent reduction in transmissibility.

It's a lie that does more harm than good. A lie that is repeated over and over on MSM and SM trying to scare people into taking the vaccine. The scare tactics should have been shut down a long time ago.

I suppose that's one way to look at it, but I never got that impression from watching or reading the news. My take away from the beginning based was it would prevent severe illness and death, and on that front it has delivered. Nothing in what I read stated one would obtain 100% immunity or not potentially fall ill. What was clear was the vaccines improved ones odds at avoiding the worst case scenarios.

In the time since then, the arguments of untested vaccines being a reason to not get them seem to ignore that the novel disease's long term effects aren't fully known, nor have any of the relatively new treatments. From a cost comparison perspective, vaccines are the cheapest solution since getting sick and being hospitalized is costly, as are monoclonal antibody treatments. From a risk perspective, you're taking a chance no matter which strategy you take.

 

[H B Lowrey]

So you're backtracking on flying off the deep end and implying they shouldn't be counted (if they can't be counted as a Covid death)?

The number one co morbidity is PREVENTABLE and REVERSABLE - obesity. That has ALWAYS been my focus. Gibraltar is the ONLY country addressing the issue.

If you agree it isn't 100% fatal then are you willing to condemn the message of the pro-vax crowd then? Their whole argument to try and convince people to take the vaccine is the "YOU GET COVID YOU DIE" rhetoric. It's a lie that does more harm than good. A lie that is repeated over and over on MSM and SM trying to scare people into taking the vaccine. The scare tactics should have been shut down a long time ago.

Nice diatribe. 826,204 dead americans and counting.

No one said you would die if you didn't get vaxxed. Who told you that?

**** fat people, we cool now?

Don't get vaxxed, don't gaf, I don't have to be around people like you.

But really now, you've obviously swallowed tons of "MSM" and "SM".

 

[H B Lowrey]

Not at all. I had asked the question because that's where the poster seemed to be going, which was then confirmed in part by his response.


Sure, but the last time I asked you how this would be done, you didn't offer much in the way of steps to take. Everyone in this country and other industrialized nations have plenty of information on the hazards of obesity and other preventable conditions, yet that knowledge has not prompted any action; the trend is going the other way.


I don't agree that the argument is that binary across everyone who supports vaccination, but what's clear is that getting the vaccine has a wide variety of benefits to the person who is inoculated and others, by reducing the need for hospital care and prior to Omicron, decent reduction in transmissibility.


I suppose that's one way to look at it, but I never got that impression from watching or reading the news. My take away from the beginning based was it would prevent severe illness and death, and on that front it has delivered. Nothing in what I read stated one would obtain 100% immunity or not potentially fall ill. What was clear was the vaccines improved ones odds at avoiding the worst case scenarios.

In the time since then, the arguments of untested vaccines being a reason to not get them seem to ignore that the novel disease's long term effects aren't fully known, nor have any of the relatively new treatments. From a cost comparison perspective, vaccines are the cheapest solution since getting sick and being hospitalized is costly, as are monoclonal antibody treatments. From a risk perspective, you're taking a chance no matter which strategy you take.

Far more measured than was deserved, kudos.

 

[screenwriter]

Nice diatribe. 826,204 dead americans and counting.

No one said you would die if you didn't get vaxxed. Who told you that?

**** fat people, we cool now?

Don't get vaxxed, don't gaf, I don't have to be around people like you.

But really now, you've obviously swallowed tons of "MSM" and "SM".

You quote a death statistic then you say "no one said you would die if you didn't get vaxxed" - and you aren't even able to see the contradiction of the two statements together.

 

[VanceMack]

Teachers are being screwed in many cases by a parents, public, and management that is all too willing to put their health and safety at risk. Cease with the victim-blaming.

Wait...didnt Mr Trump give you a beautiful vaccine that keeps your symptoms from being severe and putting your life at risk?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Wait...didnt Mr Trump give you a beautiful vaccine that keeps your symptoms from being severe and putting your life at risk?

The vaccine is super effective and really safe and also the vaccinated are going to die from unvaccinated subhumans spreading to them the virus that the vaccine supposedly protects against

 

[VanceMack]

The vaccine is super effective and really safe and also the vaccinated are going to die from unvaccinated subhumans spreading to them the virus that the vaccine supposedly protects against

Never have so many believed so little in something they believe so strongly in.

 

[screenwriter]

The vaccine is super effective and really safe and also the vaccinated are going to die from unvaccinated subhumans spreading to them the virus that the vaccine supposedly protects againstSo

So if the vaccinated are going to die even though they are vaccinated then why get vaccinated in the first place? Especially since the vaccinated can transmit the virus as they suffer from that false sense of security from the vaccine.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

So if the vaccinated are going to die even though they are vaccinated then why get vaccinated in the first place? Especially since the vaccinated can transmit the virus as they suffer from that false sense of security from the vaccine.

I think people should get the vaccine because it usually does reduce the chance of death, but you seem to have missed the sarcasm in the post where I’m mocking people who are triple poked and whining about how bad the “unvaxxed” are.

 

[KevinKohler]

That sounds like a great idea! Maybe they could also pass laws allowing anyone to opt out of paying taxes for roads they don't use, power lines that don't go to their homes, police officers that don't patrol their particular street, parks they don't frequent, library books they never check out, health inspectors that don't inspect restaurants they frequent, judges that don't preside over their particular disputes, and so on and so forth.

HAHAHAHAHAH ROFL LOL MAGA

This is different. Should we pay for a single road not in use? Yes.

What we're talking about is the shut down of an entire county school district.

So, should we pay for roads, if EVERY road in your town is shut down?

 

[KevinKohler]

You quote a death statistic then you say "no one said you would die if you didn't get vaxxed" - and you aren't even able to see the contradiction of the two statements together.

Is...English not your primary language?

Honest question.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

This is different. Should we pay for a single road not in use? Yes.

The main problem with EMNofSeattle's argument and the arguments of people like him is he wants to take the benefits of being a member of community, but refuses to contribute to any of its expenses. That's fine. He can do that. He can live in a shack in the woods like a hermit and mutter to himself as he chops his own wood, and digs his own well, and shits in his own broken-down outhouse. I'm all for that. If that's what someone wants. More power to them.

But he can't be a member of a community and also not contribute because things aren't managed in EXACTLY the way he thinks they should be managed, that's not the way civilization works. Our country has 330 million people in it. Republicans and Trump supporters and so-called "conservatives" need to get over themselves. They need to understand they are not always going to get what they want.

What we're talking about is the shut down of an entire county school district.

Yes, and, for a short time, because the staff is infected with a highly contagious virus that is making everyone sick at the same time. It's not practical to run a school when 30% of your staff is constantly sick.

So suck it up. There will be rolling shut downs as people become infected with Omicron and then recover. It's going to take several weeks to a few months to get over this. And you're just going to have to deal with it.

So, should we pay for roads, if EVERY road in your town is shut down?

Yes, of course, if it's shut down because of a ****ing blizzard or an earthquake or something.

Get over yourself people. Never have I seen such whiny, mopey, selfish people in my life. We all have to deal with this pandemic. You can handle your own bratty kids for a few weeks. UN-****ing-believable.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

The main problem with EMNofSeattle's argument and the arguments of people like him is he wants to take the benefits of being a member of community, but refuses to contribute to any of its expenses. That's fine. He can do. He can live in a shack in the woods like a hermit and mutter to himself as he chops his own wood, and digs his own well, and shits in his own broken-down outhouse. I'm all for that. If that's what someone

It’s debatable whether or not public schools offer any kind of benefit to me at all. Sending kids to LA unified would meet every element of the crime of Child Abuse if the government didn’t run that system.

But that aside, if this alleged public benefit is being widely shut down to the point that only the private sector is offering the service to acceptable standards then the benefit public schools are offering is null and therefore the financing of that benefit should be used to reimburse parents for having to seek the service outside the system

 

[KevinKohler]

The main problem with EMNofSeattle's argument and the arguments of people like him is he wants to take the benefits of being a member of community, but refuses to contribute to any of its expenses.

That's fine. He can do. He can live in a shack in the woods like a hermit and mutter to himself as he chops his own wood, and digs his own well, and shits in his own broken-down outhouse. I'm all for that. If that's what someone wants. More power to them.

But he can't be a member of a community and also not contribute because things aren't managed in EXACTLY the way he thinks they should be managed, that's not the way civilization works.

Our country has 330 million people in it. Republicans and Trump supporters and so-called "conservatives" need to get over themselves. They need to understand they are not always going to get what they want.



Yes, and, for a short time, because the staff is infected with a highly contagious virus that is making everyone sick at the same time.

It's not practical to run a school when 30% of your staff is constantly sick.

So suck it up. There will be rolling shut downs as people become infected with Omicron and then recover. And you're just going to have to deal with it.



Yes, of course, if it's shut down because of a ****ing blizzard or an earthquake or something.

Get over yourself people.

Never have I seen such whiny, mopey, selfish people in my life.

We all have to deal with this pandemic. You can handle your own bratty kids for a few weeks.

UN-****ing-believable.

Herein lies the problem. Not every teacher is sick. We're talking, 20% of the staff. This is a move to replicate last years covid protocols, but this years covid protocols are different from last year. Last year, businesses were shut down, parents didn't have to explain to their boss why they're not at work. Stay at home time was 10 days, now it's 5. Workers in the rest of the economy are expected back to work in 5 days, and most ARE, perfectly fine.

So, now. The school district is telling us, that even with teachers only out 5 days...they can't stay open? Sorry, but the perception they're creating is that of a lazy and entitled workforce. Entitled to NOT being treated like the rest of us, by virtue by being in a public sector union. Anecdotally, I know this to not be entirely true. I know many teachers who walk through a desert barefoot for their kids. And I also know some for whom it's a steady paycheck with awesome benefits. To me, this is less about the teachers, and more about the school admin. Too lazy to apply their intellect to actual problem solving. SOMEHOW...private schools operating in the same areas, under the same conditions, are staying open. Because to close means to lose funding. So, they CAN'T be lazy in terms of problem solving.

Right or wrong, that's my perception. And the perception of many folks who have going to in person work throughout the entirety of this pandemic.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Herein lies the problem. Not every teacher is sick. We're talking, 20% of the staff.

That's more than enough to shut down a school.

This is a move to replicate last years covid protocols, but this years covid protocols are different from last year. Last year, businesses were shut down, parents didn't have to explain to their boss why they're not at work. Stay at home time was 10 days, now it's 5. Workers in the rest of the economy are expected back to work in 5 days, and most ARE, perfectly fine.

The reason why the schools will have to be shut down for short periods is because everyone will become sick at the same time.

It's not very practical to manage any organization if everyone is sick at the same time, especially a public-facing organization that requires people to get together in groups of 15 to 30 people in a small room for 6 hours, during the middle of a pandemic.

So, now. The school district is telling us, that even with teachers only out 5 days...they can't stay open?

Yes. That's correct. The schools can't stay open if 20% of the staff is sick at any given period in time. Under normal circumstances you might be able to staff the school with a few substitutes. But during a pandemic there are no substitutes because all other schools have 20% of their staff sick too, and all substitutes are sick too.

The schools will be closing for periods of 5 to 10 days in various parts of the country as the virus spreads amongst the population.

The schools will then re-open, whereupon Trump supporters, Republicans, and anti-vaxxers can find something else to complain about.

Sorry, but the perception they're creating is that of a lazy and entitled workforce.

No, that's not the perception they are creating. That's the propaganda lazy and selfish parents are spreading because they have to suffer through the pain of handling their own bratty kids instead of giving the task to someone else.

My advice for parents is to suck it up and stop whining.

Entitled to NOT being treated like the rest of us, by virtue by being in a public sector union.

Every individual has the power to organize in like-minded groups to fight for their own interests. With respect to the unions involved in education, they have the right to advocate for their own interests. They absolutely have a say in how this goes down. The individual members of the unions are the ones doing the job. With respect to Omicron the vast majority of school districts will not be shut down for extended periods of time. Omicron is so contagious that everyone is going to get sick at the same time and then get over it.

And I also know some for whom it's a steady paycheck with awesome benefits. To me, this is less about the teachers, and more about the school admin. Too lazy to apply their intellect to actual problem solving. SOMEHOW...private schools operating in the same areas, under the same conditions, are staying open. Because to close means to lose funding. So, they CAN'T be lazy in terms of problem solving.

The private schools will close as well.

Right or wrong, that's my perception. And the perception of many folks who have going to in person work throughout the entirety of this pandemic.

All you have to do is look at the data.

Everyone is going to get sick at the same time.

Schools are going to shut down, not because administrators or teachers are incompetent or lazy, but because Omicron is highly contagious and is going to make everyone sick at the same time.

 

[Paradoxical]

It is January 1st. 5pm.

I’m in NJ - a highly vaccinated state. In a highly vaccinated town.

And every hour or so, on social media…you hear about another district deciding to “switch” to virtual instead of going back to school in person on Monday.

I’m literally checking email on an hourly basis or so, because our new superintendent (she started since the school break) emailed yesterday and said that they’re “monitoring the situation” and will decide whether to “pivot to virtual”

Today? 4 districts have decided to pivot to virtual/hybrid.

Nothing yet from ours. When will they “decide”?


So…is my kid going to school Monday? Or, do I need to prepare to pick up a packet and homeschool? Pick up additional private speech therapy?

When will we know?

It’s one thing to not know whether your kid is going to school because of a potential snow storm…that comes down to weather on the ground…but this nonsense of not knowing if your kid is going to school after a break because of Covid (almost 2 years into this thing) is another.

Pick a damn lane already. Open or virtual.

Parents have to make plans accordingly.


Right now…we sit at the whim of teachers and school administration. (Not BOE. My friend is on the BOE, they’re not a part of this decision)

How little notice is acceptable? 24 hours? 12 hours?

Parents are currently scrambling left and right in my area to get sitters, childcare, etc.

This is not acceptable.

Home school them or charter schools. Everyone needs to rise up against these lazy teachers.

 

[KevinKohler]

That's more than enough to shut down a school.



The reason why the schools will have to be shut down for short periods is because everyone will become sick at the same time.

It's not very practical to manage any organization if everyone is sick at the same time, especially a public-facing organization that requires people to get together in groups of 15 to 30 people in a small room for 6 hours, during the middle of a pandemic.




Yes. That's correct. The schools can't stay open if 20% of the staff is sick at any given period in time. Under normal circumstances you might be able to staff the school with a few substitutes. But during a pandemic there are no substitutes because all other schools have 20% of their staff sick too, and all substitutes are sick too.

The schools will be closing for periods of 5 to 10 days in various parts of the country as the virus spreads amongst the population.

The schools will then re-open, whereupon Trump supporters, Republicans, and anti-vaxxers can find something else to complain about.



No, that's not the perception they are creating. That's the propaganda lazy and selfish parents are spreading because they have to suffer through the pain of handling their own bratty kids instead of giving the task to someone else.

My advice for parents is to suck it up and stop whining.



Every individual has the power to organize in like-minded groups to fight for their own interests. With respect to the unions involved in education, they have the right to advocate for their own interests. They absolutely have a say in how this goes down. The individual members of the unions are the ones doing the job. With respect to Omicron the vast majority of school districts will not be shut down for extended periods of time. Omicron is so contagious that everyone is going to get sick at the same time and then get over it.



The private schools will close as well.



All you have to do is look at the data.

Everyone is going to get sick at the same time.

Schools are going to shut down, not because administrators or teachers are incompetent or lazy, but because Omicron is highly contagious and is going to make everyone sick at the same time.

20% is not 100%. Huge difference there. Simply close the classrooms that 20% was responsible for for the week they are out. Not the entire school.

You sound like a republican right now, you know that? Are you not aware that there are a great many parents who work, who HAVE to work (in person), to, you know, pay rent, buy food, etc? And, if their kids are suddenly, and without warning, not able to go to school because that school has 10 teachers out sick, they can't work? You do understand that when schools close, daycare centers do as well, right? This isn't about dealing with my kids, it's about my ability to put food on the table and pay the mortgage.

It's about your ability to find food on the shelves at your grocery store. You expect that. And if it doesn't happen, you (the collective you, us, whatever), panics, and loses your shit. Over 60% of grocery workers have school age kids.

Again, last year is not this year.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

It’s debatable whether or not public schools offer any kind of benefit to me at all.

Me me me me me me me me me me me me. That's all you can think about it.

1. What you wrote may very well be a true statement in the immediate/short term. But you personally benefit in other ways if your local community has an educated population, a better economy, more services, etc., in the long term.

2. You also have a moral obligation to help your community, just as your community has a moral obligation to help you. It's sort of like having an extended family.

3. If you don't like this particular family, and you don't like having to give back to a community that gives to you, you have the freedom to leave. There is a world of possibilities for you that don't involve you living near other people. But I suppose the reason why you live near Seattle is because of the economic opportunities a city like Seattle offers. Am I right? You could live in Idaho in a hut if you wanted, but you don't. Your name isn't EMN-of-Wooden-Shack-in-Idaho.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

20% is not 100%. Huge difference there.

Dude. Just do the math. let's say each teacher is responsible for 20 kids. You have 100 teachers in a school. 20 teachers out sick because 20% of the teaching staff is sick. That's 20 x 20 for 400 kids. Who watches these 400 kids when you don't have any substitutes because all the substitutes are deployed to other schools or are out sick too.

It may as well be 100%.

Think about it.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

You sound like a republican right now, you know that?

I'm okay with that.

I am a former Republican.

I left the Republican Party because Republicans lost their minds.

Are you not aware that there are a great many parents who work, who HAVE to work (in person), to, you know, pay rent, buy food, etc? And, if their kids are suddenly, and without warning, not able to go to school because that school has 10 teachers out sick, they can't work? You do understand that when schools close, daycare centers do as well, right? This isn't about dealing with my kids, it's about my ability to put food on the table and pay the mortgage.

I am aware of that, and it doesn't matter, because Omicron is going to make everyone sick at the same time.

It's the way things are. People are just going to have to deal with it.

And one of the ways, we can make things better as a country, is for Trump supporters and Republicans to get vaccinated so they reduce their risk of becoming hospitalized or dying.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

But that aside, if this alleged public benefit is being widely shut down to the point that only the private sector is offering the service to acceptable standards then the benefit public schools are offering is null and therefore the financing of that benefit should be used to reimburse parents for having to seek the service outside the system

There's no way around it. Most or all schools will have to be shut down for brief periods of time over the next few weeks. This includes private schools too.

And no, parents don't get any discounts or refunds. Tough shit. Suck it up. Stop whining.

They are just going to have to deal with it. And if they don't like living in a community that is suffering from the equivalent of a natural disaster, they can leave. Their communities don't need them. The OP's community certainly doesn't need the OP, with the OP suing them.