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This is when NATO would get involved with the Russia-Ukraine conflict

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This is when NATO would get involved with the Russia-Ukraine conflict



It's not NATO that scares the nuclear armed Russia, but Western democracy that appeals to all oppressed peoples.

The Kremlin's security thugs have now arrested over 2000 anti-war protestors in Moscow alone.

EU sources say that Germany, Hungary, and Italy are vetoing cutting Russia off from the SWIFT global banking transfer system.

 
"NATO has activated its NATO Response Force, marking the first time the alliance has activated the potentially 40,000-person force for “a deterrence and defence" role, according to a NATO spokesperson. This means that the 8,500 American troops put on heightened alert in late January for this mission could soon be ordered to Europe.

The decision follows a meeting of NATO ministers Friday morning in Brussels.

To be activated, the 30 members of NATO must all agree to activate the force, which is under the command of Gen. Told Wolters, the Supreme Allied Commander of NATO."

 

The bolded is what needs to be done. That, if anything, would turn the populace against Putin!
 
UK also seem to be against cutting Russia off rom SWIFT (at least Boris, Parliament seem more willing to do it). The countries that support it seem to be Baltics, Poland, US,and today France said they'd support it.
 
The bolded is what needs to be done. That, if anything, would turn the populace against Putin!

What needs to be done is to stop importing oil or natural gas from Russia. Putin’s gas station (fossil export fuel revenue) is funding the bulk of Putin’s military adventures.
 
What needs to be done is to stop importing oil or natural gas from Russia. Putin’s gas station (fossil export fuel revenue) is funding the bulk of Putin’s military adventures.

That too.
 

Yeah, it's clear the NATO partners are not as serious as the outrage they proclaim.
 
Yeah, it's clear the NATO partners are not as serious as the outrage they proclaim.

Yep, they happily fund Putin as they pretend to care deeply about Putin’s ‘icky’ military adventures - as they count on the US military to keep them safe.
 
What needs to be done is to stop importing oil or natural gas from Russia. Putin’s gas station (fossil export fuel revenue) is funding the bulk of Putin’s military adventures.


Exactly. That is what the debate ought to be about. The SWIFT thing appears to me to be a game of mirrors. It leaves the impression on those calling for axing Russia that it is a measure that can hurt Russia but with no cost on others. And SWIFT appears to be pointless if gas is still being purchased, and other ways are figured for paying Russia. It ought to be explained to the public, or those calling for SWIFT axing, that what they want is no more purchase of Russian oil or gas. And the cost of that can also be easily explained to the public
 
Yep, they happily fund Putin as they pretend to care deeply about Putin’s ‘icky’ military adventures - as they count on the US military to keep them safe.
YES
 
Yep, they happily fund Putin as they pretend to care deeply about Putin’s ‘icky’ military adventures - as they count on the US military to keep them safe.
Yet the only country to invoke Article 5 is the US and every NATO country answered their call.
 
Yet the only country to invoke Article 5 is the US and every NATO country answered their call.

Yep, but that fiasco ended with a US unconditional surrender to the Taliban (et al) 20 years later. Meanwhile Biden continues to import Russian oil to keep our pump prices down (according to Blinken “minimizing the pain” to the US - see below). Basically the Ukrainian people are being allowed to die (be sacrificed?) to prevent cutting off US and European oil and natural gas imports from Russia (Putin’s gas station).


 


It was also an illegal war with lots of war crimes being committed.

The Ukrainian people/nation has imo been used to poke Russia and lead to believe, falsely, that if a fight breaks out as a result the NATO cavalry will miraculously appear. They will have learned a hard lesson about how the West operates imho and that's a absolute tragedy.
 
UK also seem to be against cutting Russia off rom SWIFT (at least Boris, Parliament seem more willing to do it). The countries that support it seem to be Baltics, Poland, US,and today France said they'd support it.
We are closer today, the Brits seem to have changed their mind yesterday and are now quite adamantly backing cutting Russia fro, SWIFT. The Italians seem to have come around today, meaning Orban and Scholz are the holdouts right now.
 
It's not NATO that scares the nuclear armed Russia, but Western democracy that appeals to all oppressed peoples.

This is really something that people everywhere need to understand. We live in a world in which it's hard to control the free flow of ideas. People in Russia can visit other countries. They can see what's happening on twitter, snapchat, instagram, or other sites. They have the ability to know whether or not their leaders are full of shit. So there's a real motive on the part of dictators to attack democracies, because democracies are going to criticize them when their own people can't do so easily. Democracies can inspire people to act against Putin.
 
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