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This is when NATO would get involved with the Russia-Ukraine conflict

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This is when NATO would get involved with the Russia-Ukraine conflict

2.25.22
Ukraine is not a member of NATO, though the international security alliance has been a key player in its ongoing conflict with Russia, which escalated to a full-scale invasion by Russian forces Thursday. Since the United States helped form NATO, or the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, in 1949 to counter Soviet aggression in Europe, the alliance has grown to 30 member countries, including three former Soviet republics -- the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. In 2008, NATO appeared to open the door to membership to two more former Soviet republics when its heads of government declared that Georgia and Ukraine "will become members of NATO." Neither have formally received a pathway to eventual membership, with corruption concerns and a lack of consensus among members seen in part as holding back Ukraine's invitation. Russian President Vladimir Putin has demanded that Ukraine never join the alliance as he seeks to limit NATO’s presence in Eastern Europe. In the wake of Russia's attack on Ukraine, President Joe Biden announced that NATO will convene a summit Friday to "affirm our solidarity and to map out the next steps we will take to further strengthen all aspects of our NATO alliance." Biden has repeatedly said the U.S. won't be sending troops to engage with Russia in Ukraine, though he has recently authorized the deployment of ground and air forces in Europe to support NATO's eastern flank allies.

"I think we shouldn't get fixated only on Ukraine," Doug Lute, a former U.S. ambassador to NATO and ABC News contributor, told ABC News Live following Putin's speech. "[Putin's] ambitions beyond that are to essentially rewind the clock 30 years and reverse the progress made in Western Europe, certainly Central and Eastern Europe, and if possible, break the ties between the United States and its European allies." Were the conflict to go beyond Ukraine and impact NATO members, that could lead the organization to invoke its mutual self-defense clause -- what's known as Article 5 of the NATO treaty, which states that "an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all." If one ally is attacked, the others will respond with necessary action, including armed force, "to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area." One "gray area" around NATO's Article 5 response is Russian cyberattacks and their impacts beyond Ukraine, according to U.S. Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), who oversees the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. If Russia responds to NATO allies' sanctions with cyberattacks, "we are again going into uncharted territory," he said. Last year, NATO said the alliance would consider whether to invoke Article 5 in response to a cyberattack "on a case-by-case basis."


It's not NATO that scares the nuclear armed Russia, but Western democracy that appeals to all oppressed peoples.

The Kremlin's security thugs have now arrested over 2000 anti-war protestors in Moscow alone.

EU sources say that Germany, Hungary, and Italy are vetoing cutting Russia off from the SWIFT global banking transfer system.

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"NATO has activated its NATO Response Force, marking the first time the alliance has activated the potentially 40,000-person force for “a deterrence and defence" role, according to a NATO spokesperson. This means that the 8,500 American troops put on heightened alert in late January for this mission could soon be ordered to Europe.

The decision follows a meeting of NATO ministers Friday morning in Brussels.

To be activated, the 30 members of NATO must all agree to activate the force, which is under the command of Gen. Told Wolters, the Supreme Allied Commander of NATO."

 
This is when NATO would get involved with the Russia-Ukraine conflict




It's not NATO that scares the nuclear armed Russia, but Western democracy that appeals to all oppressed peoples.

The Kremlin's security thugs have now arrested over 2000 anti-war protestors in Moscow alone.

EU sources say that Germany, Hungary, and Italy are vetoing cutting Russia off from the SWIFT global banking transfer system.

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The bolded is what needs to be done. That, if anything, would turn the populace against Putin!
 
This is when NATO would get involved with the Russia-Ukraine conflict




It's not NATO that scares the nuclear armed Russia, but Western democracy that appeals to all oppressed peoples.

The Kremlin's security thugs have now arrested over 2000 anti-war protestors in Moscow alone.

EU sources say that Germany, Hungary, and Italy are vetoing cutting Russia off from the SWIFT global banking transfer system.

iu
UK also seem to be against cutting Russia off rom SWIFT (at least Boris, Parliament seem more willing to do it). The countries that support it seem to be Baltics, Poland, US,and today France said they'd support it.
 
The bolded is what needs to be done. That, if anything, would turn the populace against Putin!

What needs to be done is to stop importing oil or natural gas from Russia. Putin’s gas station (fossil export fuel revenue) is funding the bulk of Putin’s military adventures.
 
What needs to be done is to stop importing oil or natural gas from Russia. Putin’s gas station (fossil export fuel revenue) is funding the bulk of Putin’s military adventures.

That too.
 
That is what many NATO ’partner’ nations are unwilling to do, especially Germany. Biden hasn’t even done that yet.


Yeah, it's clear the NATO partners are not as serious as the outrage they proclaim.
 
Yeah, it's clear the NATO partners are not as serious as the outrage they proclaim.

Yep, they happily fund Putin as they pretend to care deeply about Putin’s ‘icky’ military adventures - as they count on the US military to keep them safe.
 
What needs to be done is to stop importing oil or natural gas from Russia. Putin’s gas station (fossil export fuel revenue) is funding the bulk of Putin’s military adventures.


Exactly. That is what the debate ought to be about. The SWIFT thing appears to me to be a game of mirrors. It leaves the impression on those calling for axing Russia that it is a measure that can hurt Russia but with no cost on others. And SWIFT appears to be pointless if gas is still being purchased, and other ways are figured for paying Russia. It ought to be explained to the public, or those calling for SWIFT axing, that what they want is no more purchase of Russian oil or gas. And the cost of that can also be easily explained to the public
 
Yep, they happily fund Putin as they pretend to care deeply about Putin’s ‘icky’ military adventures - as they count on the US military to keep them safe.
YES
 
Yep, they happily fund Putin as they pretend to care deeply about Putin’s ‘icky’ military adventures - as they count on the US military to keep them safe.
Yet the only country to invoke Article 5 is the US and every NATO country answered their call.
 
Yet the only country to invoke Article 5 is the US and every NATO country answered their call.

Yep, but that fiasco ended with a US unconditional surrender to the Taliban (et al) 20 years later. Meanwhile Biden continues to import Russian oil to keep our pump prices down (according to Blinken “minimizing the pain” to the US - see below). Basically the Ukrainian people are being allowed to die (be sacrificed?) to prevent cutting off US and European oil and natural gas imports from Russia (Putin’s gas station).

SECRETARY BLINKEN: Well, what we’re doing, Norah, across the board is making sure that we inflict maximum pain on Russia for what President Putin has done while minimizing any of the pain to us. We’re in full coordination with other countries, both consumers and producers alike, to minimize any impact that this may have on energy prices and on gasoline.

 
Yep, but that fiasco ended with a US unconditional surrender to the Taliban (et al) 20 years later. Meanwhile Biden continues to import Russian oil to keep our pump prices down (according to Blinken “minimizing the pain” to the US - see below). Basically the Ukrainian people are being allowed to die (be sacrificed?) to prevent cutting off US and European oil and natural gas imports from Russia (Putin’s gas station).





It was also an illegal war with lots of war crimes being committed.

The Ukrainian people/nation has imo been used to poke Russia and lead to believe, falsely, that if a fight breaks out as a result the NATO cavalry will miraculously appear. They will have learned a hard lesson about how the West operates imho and that's a absolute tragedy.
 
UK also seem to be against cutting Russia off rom SWIFT (at least Boris, Parliament seem more willing to do it). The countries that support it seem to be Baltics, Poland, US,and today France said they'd support it.
We are closer today, the Brits seem to have changed their mind yesterday and are now quite adamantly backing cutting Russia fro, SWIFT. The Italians seem to have come around today, meaning Orban and Scholz are the holdouts right now.
 
It's not NATO that scares the nuclear armed Russia, but Western democracy that appeals to all oppressed peoples.

This is really something that people everywhere need to understand. We live in a world in which it's hard to control the free flow of ideas. People in Russia can visit other countries. They can see what's happening on twitter, snapchat, instagram, or other sites. They have the ability to know whether or not their leaders are full of shit. So there's a real motive on the part of dictators to attack democracies, because democracies are going to criticize them when their own people can't do so easily. Democracies can inspire people to act against Putin.
 
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