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This is what the future holds under a DEMONRAT controlled society

eohrnberger said:
He is pursuing his legal rights in disputing the election as is his legal right. Was Gore also a fascist in 2000 election? He did exactly the same thing.
Or is it only Democrats are allowed to exercise their legal rights as prescribed existing law?


I'm not sure if I'd call that proof. More likely that Trump's populist policies weren't to the Wall Street capitalists' liking.

He gave Wall Street tax breaks? Not according to this:
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Donald has gone far past his right to query the vote in particular states to actually attempting to subvert the vote by arm twisting state officials to disenfranchise the delegitimize the votes of millions of Citizens. Gore never got anywhere near anything like that. IMO, if it were not for the fact that Donnie is such a jumble of multiple malignant pathologies that he is likely clinically ill, a firing squad would be too good for him.
 
jnug said:
Donald has gone far past his right to query the vote in particular states to actually attempting to subvert the vote by arm twisting state officials to disenfranchise the delegitimize the votes of millions of Citizens. Gore never got anywhere near anything like that. IMO, if it were not for the fact that Donnie is such a jumble of multiple malignant pathologies that is is likely clinically ill, a firing squad would be too good for him.
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Trump should be held accountable for trying to subvert our democracy.
 
jnug said:
Donald has gone far past his right to query the vote in particular states to actually attempting to subvert the vote by arm twisting state officials to disenfranchise the delegitimize the votes of millions of Citizens. Gore never got anywhere near anything like that. IMO, if it were not for the fact that Donnie is such a jumble of multiple malignant pathologies that is is likely clinically ill, a firing squad would be too good for him.
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Your opinion noted.
 
Rudy said:
Trump should be held accountable for trying to subvert our democracy.
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A Republican president is the first in our history who ever tried to subvert democracy.
 
eohrnberger said:
He is pursuing his legal rights in disputing the election as is his legal right. Was Gore also a fascist in 2000 election? He did exactly the same thing.
Or is it only Democrats are allowed to exercise their legal rights as prescribed existing law?


I'm not sure if I'd call that proof. More likely that Trump's populist policies weren't to the Wall Street capitalists' liking.

He gave Wall Street tax breaks? Not according to this:
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The 2000 election was much closer. Gore even won the popular vote.. But you knew that... Trump is going to lose the popular vote by 7 mil votes or so and the EC by a landslide, Gore lost the EC by 4... But you knew that too.

The 2000 whataboutism does not work..Trump is a want to be dictator who's trying to burn down our democracy...
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
The 2000 election was much closer. Gore even won the popular vote.. But you knew that... Trump is going to lose the popular vote by 7 mil votes or so and the EC by a landslide, Gore lost the EC by 4... But you knew that too.

The 2000 whataboutism does not work..Trump is a want to be dictator who's trying to burn down our democracy...
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"Trump is a want to be dictator who's trying to burn down our democracy..."
An opinion not based in the facts before us.

Have a good night.
 
eohrnberger said:
It is only an opinion. An opinion not based in fact that quite a number share.
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Attempting to arm twist state officials to break the election laws of their own states is subversion and I this case, an effort to burn down the Republic just so Donnie could remain in power. So sorry, but its a fact, not an opinion.
 
aociswundumho said:
Reputation works far better than corrupt government bureaucrats.

Labor cartels are bad for the same reason oil cartels or drug cartels are bad.

Government indoctrination.

Let the worker decide.

Make them optional, and give people a choice. If your ideas are so wonderful, why do they have to be mandatory?

As opposed to the long history of Democrats encoding racism into law.

If progressivism was so great, productive people would rushing to California, Illinois, and New York instead of fleeing from those states.
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Food and health standards - Pew research;
...Across the nation, 66 percent support additional funding for the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to carry out new responsibilities related to food safety...

Unions - Gallop poll;
At 65%, Approval of Labor Unions in U.S. Remains High

Public schools - PDK poll;
...a strong majority say they want the federal government to take on more active role in helping school districts hire and retain quality teachers, make college more affordable, and fight discrimination in school....

Worker safety standards -
Below is just one of thousands of examples of why the Department of labor was formed and the Occupational Safety and Health Act passed and signed into law by Nixon. Nixon was the precursor of Trump, before the Repubs went batsh*t and the radicals took control of the Repubs. The worker has no idea of the dangers of many jobs. How strong is the steel beam they're working under? So how is the worker to decide if it's safe or not? How could the miners below know if the mine was safe or not?

From the history of the Dept of Labor webpage;
"...In 1907, 362 coal miners were killed at Monongah, W. Va., in the worst U.S. mine disaster. This widely publicized tragedy shocked the Nation and led to the creation in 1910 of the U.S. Bureau of Mines to promote mine safety..."

On SS and Unemployment Insurance, they were created as government programs and the vast majority of Americans prefer it continue that way.
AARP;
The survey, conducted between July 14 and July 27, found near-universal support for Social Security: 96 percent of those polled regardless of affiliation said Social Security was either the most important government program or an important one compared with other government programs.
PEW;
"74 percent of Americans say Social Security benefits should not be reduced in any way,"

Conservatives on Racism? A snicker and head shaker.

The majority of Americans have overcome every attempt by conservatives to stifle or rollback America's progress and will continue to do so. Six million Americans have confirmed this just recently once again. Let me know when the Midwest population outgrows the coasts along with their EC votes...
 
jnug said:
Attempting to arm twist state officials to break the election laws of their own states is subversion and I this case, an effort to burn down the Republic just so Donnie could remain in power. So sorry, but its a fact, not an opinion.
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So you were there and witnessed this 'arm twisting'? Oh do tell.

No on is disputing that the meeting / conversation took place. You spin on it is your contribution to the demanded political narrative.

The state legislators could have refused, and not gone, could they have not? No one carted them to the WH in handcuffs, right? That'd have been in the reporting for sure.

It appears to be little more than a conversation about possibilities, which didn't alter anything.
“Michigan law does not include a provision for the Legislature to directly select electors or to award electors to anyone other than the person who received the most votes,” Shirkey’s spokeswoman said last week. On Nov. 6, Chatfield tweeted: “Whoever gets the most votes will win Michigan! Period. End of story. Then we move on.
apnews.com

Trump summons Michigan GOP leaders for extraordinary meeting

DETROIT (AP) — President Donald Trump summoned Michigan's Republican legislative leaders to the White House for an extraordinary meeting Friday amid a long shot GOP push to subvert the democratic process that handed the battleground state to Democrat Joe Biden.
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jnug said:
Stop....interesting OP coming from the end of the political spectrum that almost took down the Republic and is oh by the way STILL TRYING to do so.
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Such an ignorant statement. The Republican party never had so many voters cast ballots for it's Presidential candidate. The economy was never so strong and the country finally forcing our "allies" to pay their fair share.
 
eohrnberger said:
Probably more so along with, as opposed to.



Who's the most unscrupulous of them all? Probably a good question for another thread, I suppose.

Of course special place in hell for those types of entities which manipulate elections for their own enrichment.
Seems like there'll be no reigning in Big Tech nor Wall Street during the Biden administration.

Jul 18, 2020 — ... the Republican Party's voting base has gotten more working-class. ... Now, with tens of millions of Americans freshly unemployed, upwards of ...​
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Feb 28, 2017 — Trump says GOP is now party of the working class. ... “Less educated and older citizens, especially white men, who were once the privileged ...​
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Nov 4, 2020 — ... remained in doubt, the young Republican Senator Josh Hawley, of Missouri, tweeted, “We are a working class party now. That's the future.”.​

Seems the GOP is now the party of the everyday working man.
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Yeah, when Trump legalized a pesticide that causes birth defects, when he eliminated consideration of a company’s safety records in the granting of govt contracts, when he supported efforts to get rid of the ACA, when he wouldn’t back an increase in the min wage, he was showing support for the everyday working man. Solidarity Forever!
 
Nickyjo said:
Yeah, when Trump legalized a pesticide that causes birth defects, when he eliminated consideration of a company’s safety records in the granting of govt contracts, when he supported efforts to get rid of the ACA, when he wouldn’t back an increase in the min wage, he was showing support for the everyday working man. Solidarity Forever!
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The EPA had over stepped their bounds, as demonstrated in their numerous losses in federal court during the Obama administration.
The individual mandate, the punishment for not being able to afford health insurance was taken out. The left supports zero bail for those how can't afford it, so why not this?
With employment at the highest in 50 years, there's no need to hike the federal minimum wage, as jobs are going unfilled, increasing wages, something the middle and below classes haven't seen in decades. At that time, pre-COVID, nearly every job paid better than minimum wage.
Rescinding many of the excessive Obama regulations sparked the economy forward to those record low unemployment and record high employment participation, so raising tide raises all boats.

You are just parroting the left's talking points that you've been issued.
 
eohrnberger said:
The EPA had over stepped their bounds, as demonstrated in their numerous losses in federal court during the Obama administration.
The individual mandate, the punishment for not being able to afford health insurance was taken out. The left supports zero bail for those how can't afford it, so why not this?
With employment at the highest in 50 years, there's no need to hike the federal minimum wage, as jobs are going unfilled, increasing wages, something the middle and below classes haven't seen in decades. At that time, pre-COVID, nearly every job paid better than minimum wage.
Rescinding many of the excessive Obama regulations sparked the economy forward to those record low unemployment and record high employment participation, so raising tide raises all boats.

You are just parroting the left's talking points that you've been issued.
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Again, you don’t think a firms safety record should matter when granting them government contracts, as was the case before? You don’t think a pesticide that causes birth defects should be studied, as was the case when Trump permitted its use. (Somehow we still had fruits and vegetables w/o it’s use.) And I don’t get how taking health care from millions helps working people. The rest of the developed world figured this out. And if jobs are going begging, what’s the harm in increasing the min wage to have it catch up the ground it lost? Conservatives get all friendly to workers when the min wage comes up, yet can’t be bothered with safety regulations.
 
Da Mole said:
Watch it while we conservatives weep.

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The right way to post is to state, or at least cut and paste some paragraphs that basically state your argument, and make a few comments about it, then use links to support your argument.

Relying on videos to do your work isn't how it's done.

Also, troll-esque epithets, well, when I see such things, I know I'm dealing with someone whose debate skills are incompetent, but, feel free to prove me wrong.
 
eohrnberger said:
So you were there and witnessed this 'arm twisting'? Oh do tell.

No on is disputing that the meeting / conversation took place. You spin on it is your contribution to the demanded political narrative.

The state legislators could have refused, and not gone, could they have not? No one carted them to the WH in handcuffs, right? That'd have been in the reporting for sure.

It appears to be little more than a conversation about possibilities, which didn't alter anything.
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Heck the Michigan GOP and the RNC have admitted to it. I didn't have to be there.

You seem to be forgetting that the public statement from them was that they requested of the Michigan State Board of Canvassers that they delay certification for 14 days and conduct an audit. There is no facility in Michigan Election Law for conducting an audit by any part of Michigan State Government before Certification by the State Board of Canvassers and no facility for the Board of Canvassers to call for an audit at any time. It is contrary to Michigan Election Law. Donald Trump is the acknowledged leader of the RNC to an even greater degree than Joe Biden is now the leader of the DNC. Ergo, the Republican Party/RNC of which Donald Trump is the leader was asking Michigan State Officials to break its own election law in order to continue this mad scramble to disenfranchise and delegitimize the votes of Michigan citizens. Are you suggesting that the Michigan Republic Party and the RNC would have done so without the authority of one Donald Trump? In simple terms that even you should be able to understand, they were asking the State of Michigan to subvert its own Laws.

In the middle of that cluster, Trump invites Republican members of the State Legislature to the WH. I assume you think that was for tea. But it hardly matters how much arm twisting Trump did or did not attempt in that meeting. He was already attempting to arm twist the State of Michigan in plain sight through his efforts with the Board of Canvassers. Sounds an awful lot like sending Rudy and the idiot Ambassador to the EU Sondland to Ukraine to arm twist a false statement dirtying up Joe Biden out of Ukrainian government officials while Donnie himself tries to arm twist the Ukrainian President now doesn't it.

You need to get over the idea that just because Donald tries to subvert in plain sight that it is less of a subversion than if he does it clandestinely. Donnie gets a hard on doing it in plain sight.
 
Nickyjo said:
Again, you don’t think a firms safety record should matter when granting them government contracts, as was the case before? You don’t think a pesticide that causes birth defects should be studied, as was the case when Trump permitted its use. (Somehow we still had fruits and vegetables w/o it’s use.) And I don’t get how taking health care from millions helps working people. The rest of the developed world figured this out. And if jobs are going begging, what’s the harm in increasing the min wage to have it catch up the ground it lost? Conservatives get all friendly to workers when the min wage comes up, yet can’t be bothered with safety regulations.
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I didn't speak to the government contract / safety question.

I suspect that the pesticide in question were over regulated, as is typical the federal government, and there would have to first be demonstrate that there's a problem with their use.

Taking the individual mandate out would case people to lose their healthcare insurance? I think it would rather free up the fines for people to buy healthcare, rather than pay it to the government as a form of penalty.

Federal minimum wage's primary problem is that it's a typical big government 'one size fits all' dictate from on high, when the reality is that each locality has their own labor market, and each job has it's own market value. Why are you so hell bent on distorting a working market simply because you believe number $X / hr is where minimum wage should be set at?

Recall what the fast food companies did when faced with $15 min wage for low skill jobs - they replaced them with automation, so now there's no job. No job for anyone to make a little money, gain some experience and advance to the next job up success ladder. What you've done, with your misplaced kindness, essentially cut the success ladder out from under these people given them a job market with fewer opportunities to start up that success ladder. You've made the situation worse, and the higher you push the minimum wage, the worse the job market will get, as more and more of the workforce will be replaced by automation, sending those workers into destitution, with no way to start. Is that what you really want? I would hope not.

Clearly we aren't going to find any common ground here on any of these questions, given our diametrically opposite views, so we might as well drop it at this point.
 
Decypher said:
They’ve been calling Democrats communists for nearly a century. Yet when it comes to destroying the economy, every Republican administration since Teddy Roosevelt has overseen a recession.
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Yet when it comes to destroying the economy, every Republican administration since Teddy Roosevelt has overseen a recession.
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Then there was Jimmy Carter

Then came Reagan(LOL)
 
Luther said:
Then there was Jimmy Carter

Then came Reagan(LOL)
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Great example. Carter wasn’t a communist and Reagan’s presidency saw a severe recession. Not to mention an embrace of a disastrous economic policy the effects of which are still being felt.
 
Decypher said:
Great example. Carter wasn’t a communist and Reagan’s presidency saw a severe recession. Not to mention an embrace of a disastrous economic policy the effects of which are still being felt.
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Carter wasn’t a communist
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Hey, it was only you who brought up originally communist?

The OP said DEMOCRAT
 
Luther said:
Hey, it was only you who brought up originally communist?

The OP said DEMOCRAT
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1. That post was in response to Rickc, not the OP.
2. OP said Demonrats, like an idiot child and later called the Democrats a socialist party.
3. Do you actually have a point this time, or is it just more of your endless sniping and winking?
 
Decypher said:
1. That post was in response to Rickc, not the OP.
2. OP said Demonrats, like an idiot child and later called the Democrats a socialist party.
3. Do you actually have a point this time, or is it just more of your endless sniping and winking?
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