This is What Happens Without Mandatory Family Values

[H B Lowrey]

Want to legalize divorce? Demand for child care goes up.

Want to be OK with two working parents? Demand for child care goes up.

Want to not have deep romantic understanding and appreciation? Demand for child care goes up.

Want to be OK with discipline problems that don't get fixed? Supply of child care goes down.

Want to have a reckless legal system that doesn't ensure respect across households? Supply of child care goes down.

Want to have different opinions on what counts as decent hygiene? Supply of child care goes down.

It's great when anyone and everyone is allowed to have kids, including people who say a "functional household" is a matter of opinion, isn't it?

You'll always have fundamentalist Islam.

 

[bomberfox]

The status quo is wretched.

There is nothing you have that is better nor will you ever have a chance to implement your preferred policy so you should think of something better.

 

[bomberfox]

Anarchy is might makes right power politics. You can still have hierarchy within that.

Nope. Anarchy spreads power horizontally. Impractical as it is.

 

[XDU]

You'll always have fundamentalist Islam.

Hyperdiscipline is more than discipline.

 

[bomberfox]

Taking responsibility for your actions doesn't matter?

Why are we concerned about abusive personalities then?

Your personal story is irrelevant to this. You are not… **** it, you are just trolling at this point.

 

[bomberfox]

Hyperdiscipline is more than discipline.

Why are you trolling at this point? Isnt it past your bedtime?

 

[MrWonka]

Want to legalize divorce? Demand for child care goes up.

Want to be OK with two working parents? Demand for child care goes up.

Want to not have deep romantic understanding and appreciation? Demand for child care goes up.

Want to be OK with discipline problems that don't get fixed? Supply of child care goes down.

Want to have a reckless legal system that doesn't ensure respect across households? Supply of child care goes down.

Want to have different opinions on what counts as decent hygiene? Supply of child care goes down.

It's great when anyone and everyone is allowed to have kids, including people who say a "functional household" is a matter of opinion, isn't it?

Sounds like you'd prefer to live in Iran. They agree with almost everything you're saying here and they have very cheap child care because women are forced to stay home and raise them.

 

[XDU]

Sounds like you'd prefer to live in Iran. They agree with almost everything you're saying here and they have very cheap child care because women are forced to stay home and raise them.

Again, hyperdiscipline is more than discipline.

 

[armycowboy]

The thread's premise is toddlers with the terrible twos don't ask to be born.

They throw fits in daycare while daycare workers are expected to deal with it. Those fits have gotten worse and worse over time, and instead of parents raising kids right, they're telling daycare workers to deal with it.

This is seriously the stupidest post I've seen on this forum in my 3+ years here.

 

[Lursa]

Again, hyperdiscipline is more than discipline.

Please describe and compare them. Also please source the foundational concepts that support your claim.

 

[Indydave]

Want to legalize divorce? Demand for child care goes up.

Want to be OK with two working parents? Demand for child care goes up.

Want to not have deep romantic understanding and appreciation? Demand for child care goes up.

Want to be OK with discipline problems that don't get fixed? Supply of child care goes down.

Want to have a reckless legal system that doesn't ensure respect across households? Supply of child care goes down.

Want to have different opinions on what counts as decent hygiene? Supply of child care goes down.

It's great when anyone and everyone is allowed to have kids, including people who say a "functional household" is a matter of opinion, isn't it?

are you suggesting that we implement morality laws.......didn't God already try that.......

 

[danielpalos]

We should insist on the morality of equal protection of our own laws first in order to enable more virtue in our capitalism based economy.

 

[XDU]

are you suggesting that we implement morality laws.......didn't God already try that.......

If you really want to be technical, the New Testament was founded with an understanding of the necessity of grace before law. The Old Testament doesn't have the same understanding of grace which lead to David against Saul, Jeroboam's Revolt, Zedekiah after Hezekiah's spat with Isaiah, and the Maccabean Revolt.

What I'm talking about here is literally the application of grace when it comes to how children are raised to not throw tantrums while in daycare.

 

[danielpalos]

Under Capitalism, the subjective value of social morals for free may need to be subsidized.

 

[XDU]

Under Capitalism, the subjective value of social morals for free may need to be subsidized.

To be fair, we're supposed to respect the properness behind property rights.

Republicanism precedes capitalism, not follows. Contracts need to be enforced regardless of how convenient they are so people are free to make their own convenience judgments instead of worrying about what's convenient to them not being convenient to others.

 

[danielpalos]

To be fair, we're supposed to respect the properness behind property rights.

Republicanism precedes capitalism, not follows. Contracts need to be enforced regardless of how convenient they are so people are free to make their own convenience judgments instead of worrying about what's convenient to them not being convenient to others.

Why do right-wingers have a problem solving simple poverty through equal protection of our own laws?

 

[XDU]

Why do right-wingers have a problem solving simple poverty through equal protection of our own laws?

This is a great question and one I bring up among fellow right-wingers all the time.

Have An-Cap Republicans Enabled Political Correctness?

One thing that drives me nuts among conservatives is their obsession with treating justice as a matter of convenience has literally condemned those targeted by their political opponents. IOW, being a successful conservative isn't about meritocracy anymore. It's about aristocracy. It's not about...

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[danielpalos]

This is a great question and one I bring up among fellow right-wingers all the time.

Have An-Cap Republicans Enabled Political Correctness?

One thing that drives me nuts among conservatives is their obsession with treating justice as a matter of convenience has literally condemned those targeted by their political opponents. IOW, being a successful conservative isn't about meritocracy anymore. It's about aristocracy. It's not about...

debatepolitics.com

Assuming this legal environment:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

What is your opinion of organizing more militia until we have no more security problems in our free States, merely to lower costs and promote the general welfare?

It would be a simple matter to supplement the corps of engineers with local militia to work on environmental and production projects.

 

[XDU]

Assuming this legal environment:

What is your opinion of organizing more militia until we have no more security problems in our free States, merely to lower costs and promote the general welfare?

I don't think the second amendment is the real issue. It's the fifth and fourteenth amendments that talk about due process which really matter.

 

[danielpalos]

I don't think the second amendment is the real issue. It's the fifth and fourteenth amendments that talk about due process which really matter.

You are missing the point about having a Second Amendment; we should have no security problems.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

 

[XDU]

You are missing the point about having a Second Amendment; we should have no security problems.

Strongly disagree with that. Merely having armed militias doesn't mean those militias are going to use their force responsibly.

Due process exists to make sure people think before they act when it comes to enforcement.

 

[danielpalos]

Strongly disagree with that. Merely having armed militias doesn't mean those militias are going to use their force responsibly.

Due process exists to make sure people think before they act when it comes to enforcement.

I am not sure I can agree with you or your line of reasoning.

That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

 

[XDU]

I am not sure I can agree with you or your line of reasoning.

How can militia be well regulated without due process? What is strict subordination and governance by civil power without due process?

 

[Nomad4Ever]

I'm hoping you're being sarcastic there since fascists don't believe in family values. They believe in racial purity.

This is holistically incorrect. A almost central part of fascism is a strong belief in traditional family values and gender roles. This shows up in all sorts of Fascist propaganda over and over.

During the era of the Nazi Party in Germany, policies and propaganda encouraged German women to contribute to the Third Reich through motherhood. To build the Third Reich, the Nazis believed that a strong German people, who acted as a foundation, was essential to the success of Nazi Germany....The ideology of a "good mother" in Nazi Germany is described by Rupp "As a mother of her family, she meets the demands of the nation, as a housewife she acts according to the laws of the nation’s economic order, as employed woman she joins in the overall plan of the national household…But her life, like that of the man, is in its major outlines determined by the binding law that everything must be subordinated to the profit of the people".[270] This illustrates how the Third Reich used motherhood propaganda to build up the German nation. (Source)

To appeal to Italian conservatives, Fascism adopted policies such as promoting family values, including the promotion of policies designed to reduce the number of women in the workforce, limiting the woman's role to that of a mother. In an effort to expand Italy's population to facilitate Mussolini's future plans to control the Mediterranean region, the Fascists banned literature on birth control and increased penalties for abortion in 1926, declaring both crimes against the state. (Source)

In other areas, Nazi cultural principles were consistent. They stressed family, race, and Volk as the highest representations of German values. They rejected materialism, cosmopolitanism, and “bourgeois intellectualism,” instead promoting the “German” virtues of loyalty, struggle, self-sacrifice, and discipline. (Source)

 

[danielpalos]

How can militia be well regulated without due process? What is strict subordination and governance by civil power without due process?

Appealing to ignorance is not any valid line of reasoning.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.