This is what demagoguery gets you.

[Top Cat]

[h=1]A Trump Supporter Said Hillary 'Needs to Be Taken Out'[/h]
Donald Trump's rhetoric has consequences. In a week where the Republican candidate is ramping up his line about the upcoming election being "rigged," a supporter at one of his rallies was caught on video insinuating that Hillary Clinton should be assassinated in order to prevent her taking office—or to remove her from it. The Wall Street Journal spoke to a man named Dan Bowman at a recent Trump event, and, after he agreed to take off his Trump mask, Bowman happily described how Clinton "needs to be taken out" and that, if necessary, he's willing to be the "patriot" who does just that.

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[TheGoverness]

Who does this guy think he is, Hitman?

He's all bark and no bite. I'd like to see him try.

 

[Top Cat]

Who does this guy think he is, Hitman?

He's all bark and no bite. I'd like to see him try.

Please don't say that.

 

[TheGoverness]

Please don't say that.

C'mon now. You know he ain't gonna do it.

 

[Top Cat]

C'mon now. You know he ain't gonna do it.

No. I don't know that. The guy has the brains of a post. He's capable of epic stupidity.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Honestly what this really means is intentional political and social divisiveness usually has a negative conclusion.

We talk about Trump's rhetoric all the time about women, or being "a star," about whichever world leader, or about dozens of other subjects where the tone is not good but we tend to not talk so much about Hillary's every so often comments on Trump supporters or alternate rhetoric on a given demographic that leans more right than left. Moreover, we seen plenty of commentary from both ideologies speaking fairly poorly of the other.

Now not a bit of this gets guys like the one in the clip off the hook for threatening political opposition hiding behind "patriotism." But, we do have a serious conversation in front of us about what intentional political divisiveness does to a populace.

Is Hillary in danger if she wins? Probably no more so than Obama was, but we can illustrate an uptick on "monitoring" right leaning organizations because of rhetoric. In the end we are in fact talking about removing portions of our population from political discussion by making them an angry or "dangerous" minority in some regard. That has consequence, we cannot ignore it nor can we forgive the obvious behavior of those suggesting harm to their political opposition.

I still think we are very much making a mistake looking at our population as whom is out of the discussion, then questioning when someone gets angry enough to do something (or at least say something) that is extremely ill-advised.

 

[joG]

[h=1]A Trump Supporter Said Hillary 'Needs to Be Taken Out'[/h]
Donald Trump's rhetoric has consequences. In a week where the Republican candidate is ramping up his line about the upcoming election being "rigged," a supporter at one of his rallies was caught on video insinuating that Hillary Clinton should be assassinated in order to prevent her taking office—or to remove her from it. The Wall Street Journal spoke to a man named Dan Bowman at a recent Trump event, and, after he agreed to take off his Trump mask, Bowman happily described how Clinton "needs to be taken out" and that, if necessary, he's willing to be the "patriot" who does just that.

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I don't really believe that it is as much short term demogoguery at work there, but a longer term development.

 

[joG]

Who does this guy think he is, Hitman?

He's all bark and no bite. I'd like to see him try.

Yeah, he's chicken.

 

[Harshaw]

Meanwhile, films, books, and plays about the assassination of George W. Bush won awards.

 

[Top Cat]

Meanwhile, films, books, and plays about the assassination of George W. Bush won awards.

Are you suggesting Trump's tone is not contributing to this?

 

[Skeptic Bob]

Meanwhile, films, books, and plays about the assassination of George W. Bush won awards.

That's fiction, not a threat.

 

[TheGoverness]

Meanwhile, films, books, and plays about the assassination of George W. Bush won awards.

There's a pretty big difference between a ficticious scenario and a actual assasination threat.

But concerning the film you were referring to, even Hillary agrees that was a despicable thing to do.

"I think it's despicable. I think it's absolutely outrageous. That anyone would even attempt to profit on such a horrible scenario makes me sick."

 

[Harshaw]

Are you suggesting Trump's tone is not contributing to this?

I'm suggesting, as should be obvious, a severe case of selective outrage, one which exists in a gross imbalance of offense.

So one kook is trotted out and put on national TV, a kook who cannot reasonably be said to be speaking for anyone but himself.

Meanwhile, during the Bush administration, you had actual collaborative "artistic" efforts around the idea of his assassination, efforts which not only spoke from an actual collective, but they were HONORED by still others.

Should anyone be talking about assassinating anyone? Of course not. That's beyond the pale.

But this is hardly indicative of some endemic condition among a significant group of . . . anyone, and it doesn't even rise to the level of what has happened before.

So which "demagoguery" is responsible for films, books, and plays about assassinating George W. Bush?

 

[Harshaw]

Which even Hillary agrees was a despicable thing to do.

Anyone who wouldn't lacks a basic level of human decency.

 

[LowDown]

Who does this guy think he is, Hitman?

He's all bark and no bite. I'd like to see him try.

No, you do not want to see him try it. The only reason Squeeky Fromm failed to kill Ford was because she forgot to chamber a round. Reagan was almost killed by mentally unstable wannabe songwriter Hinkley. Neither of these people were exactly professional killers.

 

[Harshaw]

That's fiction, not a threat.

The entire idea is despicable and outrageous. And the topic of this thread is the fruits of demagoguery. You think those works of "fiction" don't create the same kind of atmosphere, bolstered by the fact that they're being given honors?

 

[Hawkeye10]

Are you suggesting Trump's tone is not contributing to this?

This is what the success of victim culture looks like, with a straight face blaming someone else, someone who did not do it, because of their tone.

Free speech is a requirement if we are to be free and have a democracy, and we deserve nice things, dont let victim culture kill it.

 

[Fearandloathing]

[h=1]A Trump Supporter Said Hillary 'Needs to Be Taken Out'[/h]
Donald Trump's rhetoric has consequences. In a week where the Republican candidate is ramping up his line about the upcoming election being "rigged," a supporter at one of his rallies was caught on video insinuating that Hillary Clinton should be assassinated in order to prevent her taking office—or to remove her from it. The Wall Street Journal spoke to a man named Dan Bowman at a recent Trump event, and, after he agreed to take off his Trump mask, Bowman happily described how Clinton "needs to be taken out" and that, if necessary, he's willing to be the "patriot" who does just that.

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This is actually very frightening.

It reminds me of my studies of 1930's Germany, our way or we burn it down.

This under current of violence has been there from the beginning....and Trump has encouraged throughout, beginning with demonstrators and most recently with "maybe the second amendment people can do something.

The most recent interviews I here on CBC are predictions riots or more no matter who wins if it is anything like the Bush election

 

[TheGoverness]

No, you do not want to see him try it. The only reason Squeeky Fromm failed to kill Ford was because she forgot to chamber a round. Reagan was almost killed by mentally unstable wannabe songwriter Hinkley. Neither of these people were exactly professional killers.

I didn't mean that literally.

 

[Fearandloathing]

This is what the success of victim culture looks like, with a straight face blaming someone else, someone who did not do it, because of their tone.

Free speech is a requirement if we are to be free and have a democracy, and we deserve nice things, dont let victim culture kill it.

Except that extremes on both sides believe free speech only exists if they agree with it. Criticize Trump and they go violent

 

[joG]

Are you suggesting Trump's tone is not contributing to this?

I don't think this is short term. Instead it is the kind of nervousness and angry discontent that a populist might be able to leverage off of. But it is hardly possible for a politician to create it.

 

[Top Cat]

I'm suggesting, as should be obvious, a severe case of selective outrage, one which exists in a gross imbalance of offense.

So one kook is trotted out and put on national TV, a kook who cannot reasonably be said to be speaking for anyone but himself.

Meanwhile, during the Bush administration, you had actual collaborative "artistic" efforts around the idea of his assassination, efforts which not only spoke from an actual collective, but they were HONORED by still others.

Should anyone be talking about assassinating anyone? Of course not. That's beyond the pale.

But this is hardly indicative of some endemic condition among a significant group of . . . anyone, and it doesn't even rise to the level of what has happened before.

So which "demagoguery" is responsible for films, books, and plays about assassinating George W. Bush?

So your answer is, but, but, but Bush?

 

[Hawkeye10]

Except that extremes on both sides believe free speech only exists if they agree with it. Criticize Trump and they go violent

Extremism has been getting worse for awhile because the nation increasingly does not work, but since the government cant arrest everybody maybe the leaders in DC get their asses in gear and get back to work making America Great Again.

Just an idea.

 

[Harshaw]

So your answer is, but, but, but Bush?

Weird; you seem to have missed entirely where I said speaking of assassinating anyone is beyond the pale, so I don't attempt to present any kind of "answer."

My statement is, get off your fainting couch; the atmosphere was poisoned long before this, and in worse ways (to the point of assassination sentiment actually being rewarded), and Trump is hardly inspiring anything new. If you're upset about it now, but weren't earlier, when actual instances of the same thing were objectively worse, that says more about you than it does about anyone in the political camp opposite you.

 

[Top Cat]

Weird; you seem to have missed entirely where I said speaking of assassinating anyone is beyond the pale, so I don't attempt to present any kind of "answer."

My statement is, get off your fainting couch; the atmosphere was poisoned long before this, and in worse ways (to the point of assassination sentiment actually being rewarded), and Trump is hardly inspiring anything new. If you're upset about it now, but weren't earlier, when actual instances of the same thing were objectively worse, that says more about you than it does about anyone in the political camp opposite you.

I don't recall a dangerous tone from Obama. EVER. So no, false equivalency.