This is unbeleveable.....Only in California....

[Navy Pride]

It doesn't end with SCOTUS.

If SCOTUS establishes gay 'marriage, there will be years of legal challenges and dely tactics at the state level.

If SCOTUS denies gay 'marriage, there will begin a movement to pass a constitutional amendment.

1. who do you appeal to after the SCOTUS

2. Why do you need a constitutional amendment if you have won through the SCOTUS?

 

[disneydude]

***** What shines thru with all the Progressive's is that they act like something truly precious is being criticized & attacked:shock:Like it's just some Good decent Folk wanting a reasonable Good life and who earnestly want to get along with others. :happy:

***** This is untrue- Once again the Militant Gays (and others) want confrontation and comparing them to the Nut group from Kansas is less than honest. Few Conservatives (like none) support that bunch or get a kick out of them being disruptive. On the other hand a good (though minority) percentage of Gays do enjoy the antics of Act Up.Queer Nation etc. More importantly they will not seperate themselves from such activities.

***** If this were otherwise then these lowlifes would never be part of a Gay Rights Parade - but they are always there mocking Religous types, engaging in certain grinding and assorted gyrations to simulate sex acts - engage in flagellation and other deviancies and intend to offend others. Hardly a peep comes from most other Gays .

****** We All love that 1st Amendment - but when some Gay RC Priest takes his Parrish a different way in SF or elsewhere - starts Marrying Gays despite orders from Superiors - well a stand off will ensue and simply to avoid Civil unrest the local authorities will NOT enforce any Court order. Quite possibly Mobs will block the way and odds are eventually this will occur.

Once again listening to waaaaay to much Mormon propoganda.

 

[jallman]

Once again listening to waaaaay to much Mormon propoganda.

I don't even think the mormon propaganda was that based in fantasy.

 

[Navy Pride]

Once again listening to waaaaay to much Mormon propoganda.

Just curios DD you don't like Catholics or Mormons.........Is there any religion you like or are you and atheist?

 

[Zinc Route]

Once again listening to waaaaay to much Mormon propoganda.

***** I believe that I told you before that I have yet to see these specific forecasts made by an LDS leader. Most of their stance is on preserving the Family Unit and that Marriage other than Male?Female causes that to lessen or disintegrate.

****** You can visit the main LDS website to see their stand on several principled ongoing issues.

 

[jallman]

More importantly they will not seperate themselves from such activities.

And this part right here is a bold faced lie. The rare kinds of activities he tried to paint as being something common are condemned when they happen and have been condemned multiple times right to him in posts.

Don't listen to this bipolar tripe he keeps promoting, people. He's not having rational discussion. He's "blogging" the same debunked lies over and over and over.

At this point, it should be either in Conspiracy Theories or considered spam.

 

[JustineCredible]

2. Why do you need a constitutional amendment if you have won through the SCOTUS?

Apparently the Fourteenth Amendment and its history completely elude you.
You have quite the habit of ignoring facts that most of the rest of the educated population already knows.

 

[disneydude]

Just curios DD you don't like Catholics or Mormons.........Is there any religion you like or are you and atheist?

Actually that isn't true at all. I grew up in Utah. I have many many MANY Mormon and Catholic friends.

I have several times on this board come to the defense of the mormon church and mormons (Catholics as well).
The mormon church does a lot of good, particularly in their community service and welfare programs. They are often the first to show up to help in disaster situations.

What I do not like is the fact that financed in large part one of the biggest campaigns of lies and distortions that I have ever witnessed. All you have to do is youtube some of the prop 8 ads that the mormons financed and see the level of hatred and lies that were told in this campaign.

 

[disneydude]

***** I believe that I told you before that I have yet to see these specific forecasts made by an LDS leader. Most of their stance is on preserving the Family Unit and that Marriage other than Male?Female causes that to lessen or disintegrate.

****** You can visit the main LDS website to see their stand on several principled ongoing issues.

You are correct. They don't post them on their website. But they spread all of the propoganda which you are spouting during the prop 8 campaign...all lies and distortions.

So yes....you are buying into their propoganda, despite their hiding behind their webiste of principled ongoing issues.

 

[jallman]

Actually that isn't true at all. I grew up in Utah. I have many many MANY Mormon and Catholic friends.

I have several times on this board come to the defense of the mormon church and mormons (Catholics as well).
The mormon church does a lot of good, particularly in their community service and welfare programs. They are often the first to show up to help in disaster situations.

What I do not like is the fact that financed in large part one of the biggest campaigns of lies and distortions that I have ever witnessed. All you have to do is youtube some of the prop 8 ads that the mormons financed and see the level of hatred and lies that were told in this campaign.

It just struck me, and embittered me a little, that these supposed advocates of higher morality abandoned any such notion when it came to their decietful, televised tantrum to make sure they got their way. If lies and distortions of that caliber are what it means to adhere to their higher morality, I would rather be a heathen with some integrity any day.

 

[Navy Pride]

Apparently the Fourteenth Amendment and its history completely elude you.
You have quite the habit of ignoring facts that most of the rest of the educated population already knows.

Please excuse my ignorance..........can you elaborate? If you are talking the equal protection clause I am aware of it as are all the polygamysts in Utah......I will be waiting to get educated by you............

 

[disneydude]

It just struck me, and embittered me a little, that these supposed advocates of higher morality abandoned any such notion when it came to their decietful, televised tantrum to make sure they got their way. If lies and distortions of that caliber are what it means to adhere to their higher morality, I would rather be a heathen with some integrity any day.

I agree Jall...its like somehow they felt that because they believe that God is on their side that it makes lying and deceit OK.
For the life of my good Mormon friends (Most of which are embarassed and angry about the churches involvement) I cannot understand what the mormon church was thinking.

 

[disneydude]

Please excuse my ignorance..........can you elaborate? If you are talking the equal protection clause I am aware of it as are all the polygamysts in Utah......I will be waiting to get educated by you............

Thats a flat out lie if there ever was one Navy. I've been trying for years to get you to educate yourself about equal protection and you refuse. :doh

If you took even 5 minutes to read up on equal protection analysis, you would see the ignorance of the arguments that you repeatedly make on the topic. You do understand, do you not, that there are different levels of equal protection scrutiny.....right?

 

[jallman]

I agree Jall...its like somehow they felt that because they believe that God is on their side that it makes lying and deceit OK.
For the life of my good Mormon friends (Most of which are embarassed and angry about the churches involvement) I cannot understand what the mormon church was thinking.

It's funny how "in the name of God" usually has a tendancy to make those marching under that banner forget about everything God commanded.

 

[Deuce]

***** What shines thru with all the Progressive's is that they act like something truly precious is being criticized & attacked:shock:Like it's just some Good decent Folk wanting a reasonable Good life and who earnestly want to get along with others. :happy:

That's precisely what this is.

***** This is untrue- Once again the Militant Gays (and others) want confrontation and comparing them to the Nut group from Kansas is less than honest. Few Conservatives (like none) support that bunch or get a kick out of them being disruptive. On the other hand a good (though minority) percentage of Gays do enjoy the antics of Act Up.Queer Nation etc. More importantly they will not seperate themselves from such activities.

You're about half a breath away from using the word "uppity."

***** If this were otherwise then these lowlifes would never be part of a Gay Rights Parade - but they are always there mocking Religous types, engaging in certain grinding and assorted gyrations to simulate sex acts - engage in flagellation and other deviancies and intend to offend others. Hardly a peep comes from most other Gays .

And there we have it. "These lowlifes." You really do think homosexuals are inferior to you.

****** We All love that 1st Amendment - but when some Gay RC Priest takes his Parrish a different way in SF or elsewhere - starts Marrying Gays despite orders from Superiors - well a stand off will ensue and simply to avoid Civil unrest the local authorities will NOT enforce any Court order. Quite possibly Mobs will block the way and odds are eventually this will occur.

Yeah, kinda like the mobs that stood in the way when black people were allowed into the same school as whites. Better keep them separate!

Do you understand that you are literally using the exact same arguments, even down to the language, that people like you used against the civil rights movement?

 

[Zinc Route]

And this part right here is a bold faced lie. The rare kinds of activities he tried to paint as being something common are condemned when they happen and have been condemned multiple times right to him in posts.

Don't listen to this bipolar tripe he keeps promoting, people. He's not having rational discussion. He's "blogging" the same debunked lies over and over and over.

At this point, it should be either in Conspiracy Theories or considered spam.

***** Number One - I'm not Bi Polar - If I was I'd say so.

****** Number Two - If those in disagreement here could like across the board admit they were Homosexual or even BiSexual it would prove truly helpful in understanding the dilemma's some face and their Day by Day reactions and trials.

 

[jallman]

***** Number One - I'm not Bi Polar - If I was I'd say so.

****** Number Two - If those in disagreement here could like across the board admit they were Homosexual or even BiSexual it would prove truly helpful in understanding the dilemma's some face and their Day by Day reactions and trials.

No one is interested in jumping through your hoops to prove your conspiracy theories wrong. The rest of us get reality. You're the one with the problem.

 

[jallman]

You're about half a breath away from using the word "uppity."



And there we have it. "These lowlifes." You really do think homosexuals are inferior to you.

That about says it all.

/thread

 

[JustineCredible]

Please excuse my ignorance..........can you elaborate? If you are talking the equal protection clause I am aware of it as are all the polygamysts in Utah......I will be waiting to get educated by you............

Wow you really are an asshole, aren't you?

The Fourteenth Amendment was ratified as there was clear need to do so. The Southern states had enacted laws which limited access to equal protection under the law, by prohibiting them from own property, entering into legally binding contracts and stiffer fines and punishments than there were for whites who committed equal crimes.
As far as your assertion regarding polygamists in Utah, I don't speak for them nor against them as their issue is not mine.
Your attempt to insinuate such diatribe into the debate regarding same-sex marriage further shows your own bigotry and hatred for the same.

 

[JustineCredible]

***** Number One - I'm not Bi Polar - If I was I'd say so.

****** Number Two - If those in disagreement here could like across the board admit they were Homosexual or even BiSexual it would prove truly helpful in understanding the dilemma's some face and their Day by Day reactions and trials.

Really? Just because you haven't been properly diagnosed as one doesn't mean you aren't. It just means you're in deep denial. Your actions here tell a completely different story.

 

[Zinc Route]

That about says it all.

/thread

**** No THEY ARE NOT - and I never said so anywhere. However in this life we constantly have chances to stand apart & seperate ourselves from those who shame the life they were given. We have opportunities to take a courageous principled stand and regarding outfits like Queer Nation & Act Up most Gays do not do this. They Fear standing apart.

 

[JustineCredible]

**** No THEY ARE NOT - and I never said so anywhere. However in this life we constantly have chances to stand apart & seperate ourselves from those who shame the life they were given. We have opportunities to take a courageous principled stand and regarding outfits like Queer Nation & Act Up most Gays do not do this. They Fear standing apart.

Oh...so according to you now all gays are members of Act up and Queer Nation?
Shoot, until this site came about I had never even heard of "Queer Nation." I'm still not sure I know who they are. I've seen a few demonstrations that "Act Up" has participated in, but I was not involed.

 

[Rassales]

****** Number Two - If those in disagreement here could like across the board admit they were Homosexual or even BiSexual it would prove truly helpful in understanding the dilemma's some face and their Day by Day reactions and trials.

Wow. You think the only reason to stick up for the rights of someone else is if you ARE that someone else? This makes no more sense than for your opponents to claim that since you're so adamant about this issue, you must therefore be a self-hating, latent, closeted gay person.

Do you even know what an ad hominem attack is?

This thread is headed south, fast.

 

[disneydude]

Wow. You think the only reason to stick up for the rights of someone else is if you ARE that someone else? This makes no more sense than for your opponents to claim that since you're so adamant about this issue, you must therefore be a self-hating, latent, closeted gay person.

Do you even know what an ad hominem attack is?

This thread is headed south, fast.

Absolutely.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

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