This is how the Second Amendment should be Interpreted! Florida HB 1205

[TurtleDude]

Dispute what? He‘s insisting a right that was never meant to be unfettered be unfettered to his exact definition, and anything falling outside of that myopic and poorly educated reading of 2A is traiterous.

What I propose: limit all gun shops to one per state. Create gigantic lines. Make it super hard to get ’em.

I hear that’s not considered suppression so it’s win/win.

why such blatant dishonesty,. there are polling areas all over the various states. no one is claiming there should be only one so you are lying yet again,.

 

[Phys251]

this discussion is about the second amendment, and some states' actions to protect it from federal incursion

DP is not a courtroom, no matter how much you apparently believe that it is. You don't get to overlook this seditionist comment in the opening post:

IMO anyone who support efforts to either disarm the common citizenry, or reduce access to effective arms from said citizenry is either a traitor to our essential liberties, or short-sighted sheep being lead astray by those who seek to control them.

which was the exact kind of rhetoric used by the 1/06 invaders and then pretend that there's no connection to it.

 

[Phys251]

Dispute what? He‘s insisting a right that was never meant to be unfettered be unfettered to his exact definition, and anything falling outside of that myopic and poorly educated reading of 2A is traiterous.

What I propose: limit all gun shops to one per state. Create gigantic lines. Make it super hard to get ’em.

I hear that’s not considered suppression so it’s win/win.

Make each state's access to gun shops exactly the same as to abortion clinics. No more, no less.

 

[TurtleDude]

DP is not a courtroom, no matter how much you apparently believe that it is. You don't get to overlook this seditionist comment in the opening post:



which was the exact kind of rhetoric used by the 1/06 invaders and then pretend that there's no connection to it.

its hilarious watching your attempt to sidetrack his comments and the topic of this thread by your TDS. I love watching you spew bullshit such as "seditionist" comments. You remind me of the racist Union colonel in Glory who ordered Colonel Shaw's soldiers to burn down the "seditionist" town.
you sound like the ANTIFA rioters.

 

[Rich2018]

IMO anyone who support efforts to either disarm the common citizenry, or reduce access to effective arms from said citizenry is either a traitor to our essential liberties, or short-sighted sheep being lead astray by those who seek to control them.

Would that include forcing your way into Congress - would that be treason ?

 

[TurtleDude]

Would that include forcing your way into Congress - would that be treason ?

what does this have to do with the thread? do you think the state has a good idea?

 

[Rich2018]

what does this have to do with the thread? do you think the state has a good idea?

So you think charge of treason is valid in one case of violating the Constitution, but not the other ?

 

[TurtleDude]

So you think charge of treason is valid in one case of violating the Constitution, but not the other ?

elected officials who violate their oath of office and break the public trust are more concerning than a bunch of unruly and ill behaved rioters who didn't kill anyone/ Yeah they should be prosecuted and some should get some serious jail time.

 

[Rich2018]

elected officials who violate their oath of office and break the public trust are more concerning than a bunch of unruly and ill behaved rioters who didn't kill anyone/ Yeah they should be prosecuted and some should get some serious jail time.

Er, what about the Capitol policeman who died ?

 

[Phys251]

elected officials who violate their oath of office and break the public trust are more concerning than a bunch of unruly and ill behaved rioters who didn't kill anyone/

WOW. Let's break this down.

Five people are dead, including one police officer, because of the actions of right-wing extremists on 1/06. Either Turtle believes that 0 = 5, that "blue lives" don't matter, or both.

Also, he just made the very kind of anti-American sentiment that the OP writer endorsed. Thus further cementing my point.

 

[Rich2018]

WOW. Let's break this down.

Five people are dead, including one police officer, because of the actions of right-wing extremists on 1/06. Either Turtle believes that 0 = 5, that "blue lives" don't matter, or both.

Also, he just made the very kind of anti-American sentiment that the OP writer endorsed. Thus further cementing my point.

For some reason I down think TD counts him.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

why such blatant dishonesty,. there are polling areas all over the various states. no one is claiming there should be only one so you are lying yet again,.

Right, which is why the GOP wants desperately to change that. They have insisted waiting in line is not suppression. Making you wait to buy a gun seems like a good start, and one you would agree with!

 

[Rich2018]

Right, which is why the GOP wants desperately to change that. They have insisted waiting in line is not suppression. Making you wait to buy a gun seems like a good start, and one you would agree with!

Like if gun stores were restricted to one per county.

 

[TurtleDude]

Right, which is why the GOP wants desperately to change that. They have insisted waiting in line is not suppression. Making you wait to buy a gun seems like a good start, and one you would agree with!

credible proof needed.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

credible proof needed.

They keep telling us they can’t win elections if people vote.

 

[TurtleDude]

They keep telling us they can’t win elections if people vote.

more nonsense. Democrats want non-eligible voters to vote. I see DEAD PEOPLE voting

 

[Aunt Antifa]

more nonsense. Democrats want non-eligible voters to vote. I see DEAD PEOPLE voting

I believe you that you see imaginary people voting. You’re a Republican.

 

[Batcat]

Considering it was your side that invaded the Capitol on 1/06, that's a hell of a brazen statement to make.

The mob that invaded the Capitol was not armed. Had they been armed they would have taken over the Capitol Building.

If you try to ban and all confiscate civilian owned firearms you may just fuel a true insurrection. Never forget the first shots fired in the American Revolution were because the Brits were trying to confiscate civilian arms.

The American War of Independence began on April 19, 1775, when 700 Redcoats under the command of Major John Pitcairn left Boston to seize American arms at Lexington and Concord.

Gun Control And The American Revolution | GUNSANDTACTICS.COM

www.gunsandtactics.com

 

[Rich2018]

more nonsense. Democrats want non-eligible voters to vote. I see DEAD PEOPLE voting

Do you have any evidence of this ridiculous assertion at all ?

In Georgia, Republica\ns are making it harder to vote. Low turnout historically benefits the right.

 

[Phys251]

The mob that invaded the Capitol was not armed. Had they been armed they would have taken over the Capitol Building.

You lie. Multiple insurrectionists were armed. They are insurrectionist thugs and must be brought to justice.

If you try to ban and all confiscate civilian owned firearms you may just fuel a true insurrection. Never forget the first shots fired in the American Revolution were because the Brits were trying to confiscate civilian arms.

 

[Glitch]

I came across a video discussing how a Florida State Representative seeks to pass a bill properly protecting the right as the Second Amendment should be interpreted.

HB 1205 (2021) - Protection of Constitutional Firearms Rights | Florida House of Representatives (myfloridahouse.gov)

IMO this perfectly explains how the right to keep and bear arms should be understood and preserved nationally.

Tens if not hundreds of millions of American citizens currently own firearms. The number of persons committing crimes using a gun occurs within a very small percentage of that number, while the subset of those committing what the media label "mass shootings" is a tiny fraction of that general crimes percentage.

I do not own a firearm. I haven't owned one in decades. Not since I served 2 years in law enforcement, after a 10 year period of service in combat arms specialties in the US Army.

Yet I strongly support this right for reasons stated in other threads on gun control.

IMO Americans should embrace this right as listed in our Bill of Rights, second only to those Freedoms listed in the 1st Amendment which the 2nd was designed to allow an armed citizenry to protect.

IMO anyone who support efforts to either disarm the common citizenry, or reduce access to effective arms from said citizenry is either a traitor to our essential liberties, or short-sighted sheep being lead astray by those who seek to control them.

Thanks for the link. Florida's Protection of Constitutional Firearms Rights reads very similar to the Firearm Freedom Acts of Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, Kansas, Montana, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, and Wyoming. Which I fully support.

However, if Florida was serious about abiding by the Second Amendment they would eliminate their permit requirements and amend their State Constitution that directly violates the Second Amendment. Whether Florida likes it or not, the Second Amendment now applies to all the States, not just the federal government, and has since 2010.

 

[zsu2357]

Considering it was your side that invaded the Capitol on 1/06, that's a hell of a brazen statement to make.

Who's side shot and killed that girl? Your side would seem to have no business having firearms.

 

[Glitch]

Does that mean it will get rid of "The National Firearms Act?"

Floridians will be running around gunning down each other with full auto weapons?


It's just some hack politician pandering to his supporters with meaningless theatrics.

The National Firearms Act of 1934 violates the Second Amendment and can therefore be ignored. The Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, which restricts fully automatic firearms also violates the Second Amendment. As does the Gun Control Act of 1968.

What part of "the right to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" did you fail to grasp?

 

[Rich2018]

The National Firearms Act of 1934 violates the Second Amendment...

No it doesn't.

 

[TurtleDude]

No it doesn't.

sure it does but 20 years of judges who hate the second amendment ruled otherwise