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I spent decades tilting at that windmill. Started voting in the early 80's. Never once voted for a D or an R if there was an alternative choice available.
All that has changed thanks to the R's and Trump.
I've come to realize that the American people are too stuck in their ways to ever allow a third party to become viable. The D's & R's have a stranglehold on the entire political spectrum within the USofA and that's just the way it's going to be.
This election, in 2020, is all about getting Trump and his merry band of idiots out. There's one, and only one way to do that. Vote D. Hold your nose, close your eyes, do whatever you need to do, but if you want Trump out you MUST vote D. There's no other viable option.
In this coming election, a vote for any third party candidate is a vote for Trump.
It's unfortunate, but that's the way it is. You only have two VIABLE options.
It's unfortunate, but that's the way it is. You only have two VIABLE options.
Bill Weld is delusional if he thinks he can build a coalition anything remotely like what he’s describing.Would you support a moderate third party? Lots of words about it repeated below.
And the idea keeps coming up when discussing either scenario: as a check on Democrats or a rejection of Trump in a second term.
Asked by Rick Newman at Yahoo Finance’s All Markets Summit this week about different scenarios for the Republican party, Fiorina gamed it out, saying that “every single one of the alternatives” is on the table.
“One of the things that I have said publicly and said to many of my colleagues is, we are not asked as citizens of this country to pledge allegiance to a party,” she said.
More: Watch the full interview with Carly Fiorina
Former Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld, who challenged Donald Trump in the 2020 primaries and already voted for Biden, predicted a new party in a recent interview. “I think in January and February, frankly, whether Trump wins or loses, you're going to see an effort by moderate Republicans, joined by moderate Democrats, some practical libertarians, many environmentalists, the old Green Party, come together,” he said. “It'll be a new party.”
Another one of President Trump’s 2020 challengers, Joe Walsh, has said “the Republican Party is done. It’s breaking up before our very eyes.”
I think you're wrong. That's NOT the way it is. It is, because the American people do it to themselves
How am I wrong?
And what does this mean: "That's NOT the way it is. It is, because the American people do it to themselves"
other than exactly what I said?
How am I wrong?
That's NOT the way it is. It is, because the American people do it to themselves"
Republicans.... Democrats....
Democrats .... Republicans.....
See above
Bill Weld is delusional if he thinks he can build a coalition anything remotely like what he’s describing.
the Republican Party is 97-98% pro Trump. The party is not breaking over Trump, in fact the only people whove left were always leftists anyway. Walsh nor Weld have any kind of institutional following for their party. There’s nothing in their philosophy that can attract “moderate democrats” to join a losing party led by losers. The only shift in the Rs is towards the middle and working classes away from corporate money to which is all going to Democrats, there is no constituency for this nor anyone of prominence who would join Bill freaking Weld on his vanity project
What does citizens United have to do with two losers fantasizing about a non existent party for a non existent base?You never heard of Citizens United?
Right. Two viable options.
Which is what I said.
So again, how was I wrong? Or, are you trying to say there's only one viable option? Or that none are "viable" because they all suck donkey penis?
What does citizens United have to do with two losers fantasizing about a non existent party for a non existent base?
The only shift in the Rs is towards the middle and working classes away from corporate money
And what has this "Viable Option "that you speak of gotten us?(our country)
Would you support a moderate third party?
Kinda tired of this argument because it is simply not true.In this coming election, a vote for any third party candidate is a vote for Trump.
Kinda tired of this argument because it is simply not true.
Vote your conscious and let the cards fall where they may. It's not like there really is a difference in the two parties. They are just vocal about different things and both want to increase the size of the government.
I love a Moderate Party, thing is one has to start at the grassroots level to succeed, start at local levels, move on to State and then Federal levels, not an easy task and the Big 2 Parties will fight them tooth and nail.Would you support a moderate third party? Lots of words about it repeated below.
And the idea keeps coming up when discussing either scenario: as a check on Democrats or a rejection of Trump in a second term.
Asked by Rick Newman at Yahoo Finance’s All Markets Summit this week about different scenarios for the Republican party, Fiorina gamed it out, saying that “every single one of the alternatives” is on the table.
“One of the things that I have said publicly and said to many of my colleagues is, we are not asked as citizens of this country to pledge allegiance to a party,” she said.
More: Watch the full interview with Carly Fiorina
Former Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld, who challenged Donald Trump in the 2020 primaries and already voted for Biden, predicted a new party in a recent interview. “I think in January and February, frankly, whether Trump wins or loses, you're going to see an effort by moderate Republicans, joined by moderate Democrats, some practical libertarians, many environmentalists, the old Green Party, come together,” he said. “It'll be a new party.”
Another one of President Trump’s 2020 challengers, Joe Walsh, has said “the Republican Party is done. It’s breaking up before our very eyes.”
Kinda tired of this argument because it is simply not true.
Vote your conscious and let the cards fall where they may. It's not like there really is a difference in the two parties. They are just vocal about different things and both want to increase the size of the government.
Would you support a moderate third party? Lots of words about it repeated below.
And the idea keeps coming up when discussing either scenario: as a check on Democrats or a rejection of Trump in a second term.
Asked by Rick Newman at Yahoo Finance’s All Markets Summit this week about different scenarios for the Republican party, Fiorina gamed it out, saying that “every single one of the alternatives” is on the table.
“One of the things that I have said publicly and said to many of my colleagues is, we are not asked as citizens of this country to pledge allegiance to a party,” she said.
More: Watch the full interview with Carly Fiorina
Former Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld, who challenged Donald Trump in the 2020 primaries and already voted for Biden, predicted a new party in a recent interview. “I think in January and February, frankly, whether Trump wins or loses, you're going to see an effort by moderate Republicans, joined by moderate Democrats, some practical libertarians, many environmentalists, the old Green Party, come together,” he said. “It'll be a new party.”
Another one of President Trump’s 2020 challengers, Joe Walsh, has said “the Republican Party is done. It’s breaking up before our very eyes.”
There already is a bona dfide legit 3rd party, which also is the 3rd largest party after the dems and repubs: the Libertarian Party.
There already is a bona fide legit 3rd party, which also is the 3rd largest party after the dems and repubs: the Libertarian Party.
I agree, the Libertarians are divided, but I think if a more concerted effort was made at unity, great things can be achieved.Libertarians make my head hurt.
Not trying to be combative but, they are splintered into too many factions for me.
10 Different Types of Libertarianism
If you feel a connection to the Libertarian movement, you may be interested to know how different Libertarian groups think about politics and finance.www.thoughtco.com
Youre always gonna get someone who hates something, that is inevitable. What needs to be done is election reform so that the top two parties cannot spend willy nilly to keep 3rd parties out of debates and coverage. The MSM I think is the biggest obstacle.And contains elemnets of both, though also the elements both hate. Dems wont support small govt, Reps wont support social liberty.
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