Third graders take a knee n the field...

[OlNate]

Why don't we just cut to the chase then? Let's get rid of the US flag and discontinue the national anthem?

Sure, if you think that will help. Or, you could make it mean something positive...I know that's more work, but you might like the long term outcome better. I would imagine even the most patriot person feels a little bit sheepish singing about "the land of the free and the home of the brave". It's been a while since that described you folks like it used to...and even then, it was a bit of a nudge nudge wink wink...given that it didn't describe the whole population.

 

[Deuce]

As I said in other posts, there are other ways to express our displeasure at perceived wrongs in our country than to disrespect our flag or national anthem. If your child's friend hit another child and that child hit your child in retaliation instead of hitting the child who had hit them, how would you feel? Why hit the flag or our national anthem when neither are responsible for society's shortfallings?

The flag and anthem aren't human beings whose precious feelings are getting hurt.

Tell you what: list the methods and reasons you personally find it acceptable to protest injustices. Since, you know, this is about your feelings.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Yeah right. All of a sudden out of the blue the kids came up with the idea instead of coming up with the idea of ice cream after the game.

Look at it this way, now we can all start with all this "the other" business while they're still kids.

 

[Fenton Lum]

The flag and anthem aren't human beings whose precious feelings are getting hurt.

Tell you what: list the methods and reasons you personally find it acceptable to protest injustices. Since, you know, this is about your feelings.

I think the snowflakes protest too much.

 

[Praxas]

There is a difference between indoctrinating a child with your beliefs in the privacy of your own home and indoctrinating third graders out at a public event.

Yeah because teaching a kid to hate gays in the privacy of your home is much better than taking s knee on a game. :roll:

Anything to justify your indoctrination. Luckily you're dismissed with your hack comments.

 

[Visbek]

Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another. That is not our problem. Our problem is prejudice and bigotry. THOSE two are closely related....

That's far too limited a definition. Racism includes prejudice, bigotry and hatred for a different race, based on genetically meaningless factors like the color of one's skin and similar phenotypes. Racism is certainly not limited to white supremacists.

I.e. a white person doesn't have to believe that "whites are superior" to be a racist. All he has to do is hate black people.

To put it another way: What do you think is the source of much of the prejudice and bigotry in the US against blacks, Hispanics, Asians and other minorities?

 

[Visbek]

Yeah right. All of a sudden out of the blue the kids came up with the idea instead of coming up with the idea of ice cream after the game.

They heard about the protests on the news. It's not a state secret, and parents don't necessarily control every single bit of information that reaches their kids. That's as much "out of the blue" as it is for anyone, including adults, who decide to protest over any issue, from any political perspective.

 

[MaggieD]

That's far too limited a definition. Racism includes prejudice, bigotry and hatred for a different race, based on genetically meaningless factors like the color of one's skin and similar phenotypes. Racism is certainly not limited to white supremacists.

I.e. a white person doesn't have to believe that "whites are superior" to be a racist. All he has to do is hate black people.

To put it another way: What do you think is the source of much of the prejudice and bigotry in the US against blacks, Hispanics, Asians and other minorities?

And to put it another way, what do you think is the source of the prejudice and bigotry in the US against whites?

 

[Moderate Right]

They heard about the protests on the news. It's not a state secret, and parents don't necessarily control every single bit of information that reaches their kids. That's as much "out of the blue" as it is for anyone, including adults, who decide to protest over any issue, from any political perspective.

You may believe in unicorns but I do not.

 

[beancounter]

You wanted them to use a chainsaw on everybody?

How about protest signs?...

 

[trouble13]

What? This OP is all about the parents brainwashing these children to do THEIR bidding. It isn't about the kids at all.

Imagine if everyone in the stands reacted by booing these kids. Let their parents deal with that mess. They think they are being clever by using their children to emotionally manipulate people but I wonder how they would feel if the crowd turned it around on them and used their own children against them. Send Johnny home bawling his eyes out because nobody likes him and let their parents and coach use that as their teachable moment.

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[trouble13]

That's your opinion. I have a fourth grader who I believe should be told what is going on and encouraged to make her own decision where she stands, without a lot of my or anyone else's influence. Good opportunity in my opinion to get a child to start their own critical thinking skills and encourage them to do their own thing and not just follow what the group, their coach, or parent is doing.

Would you let your precocious child cook at the stove when that young? How about manage a checkbook?

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[Moderate Right]

Imagine if everyone in the stands reacted by booing these kids. Let their parents deal with that mess. They think they are being clever by using their children to emotionally manipulate people but I wonder how they would feel if the crowd turned it around on them and used their own children against them. Send Johnny home bawling his eyes out because nobody likes him and let their parents and coach use that as their teachable moment.

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To be honest - I don't think that would bother these parents at all. They would give them a few hugs and tell their kids that there is nothing wrong with standing up for what you believe in and not to let it bother them if there are a bunch of people in the stands booing them. These parents believe more in their ideology than they do if their kids came home crying because of it and part of what they want to do is teach their kids the victim mentality.

 

[Visbek]

And to put it another way, what do you think is the source of the prejudice and bigotry in the US against whites?

Why gosh, could it be that whites spent hundreds of years enslaving blacks? And when slavery was finally abolished at the point of a sword, they had to deal with decade after decade of oppression, racism, hatred, disenfranchisement, segregation, denigration, enforced poverty and discrimination? I think that might make a few people mad. Just a guess.

I'd also say that your attempts at drawing a moral equivalence show a deep failure to understand the history of the US, and how the legacies of slavery and segregation have affected our nation.

 

[Visbek]

To be honest - I don't think that would bother these parents at all. They would give them a few hugs and tell their kids that there is nothing wrong with standing up for what you believe in and not to let it bother them if there are a bunch of people in the stands booing them. These parents believe more in their ideology than they do if their kids came home crying because of it and part of what they want to do is teach their kids the victim mentality.

So, let's be clear about something.

Let's say those kids made a gesture that expressed support for their local law enforcement officers, and the crowd booed. Would you not want the parents to tell the kids that they should stand up for what they believe, and not let those boos bother them? Would parents who say that also care more about ideology than about their kids' mental health?

 

[trouble13]

To be honest - I don't think that would bother these parents at all. They would give them a few hugs and tell their kids that there is nothing wrong with standing up for what you believe in and not to let it bother them if there are a bunch of people in the stands booing them. These parents believe more in their ideology than they do if their kids came home crying because of it and part of what they want to do is teach their kids the victim mentality.

I'm sure many would try to make their children martyrs for the cause. That's their choice. As parents we do have the right to brainwash our children anyway we see fit.

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[katzgar]

How about protest signs?...

How about just leaving people alone

 

[Moderate Right]

So, let's be clear about something.

Let's say those kids made a gesture that expressed support for their local law enforcement officers, and the crowd booed. Would you not want the parents to tell the kids that they should stand up for what they believe, and not let those boos bother them? Would parents who say that also care more about ideology than about their kids' mental health?

Spin spin spin. Deflect deflect deflect. Why would the crowd boo if people expressed support for law enforcement? Is that the antifa country you really want to live in? Just because of a few bad cops here and there you want to stomp on the national anthem and let crowds boo the police? Really?

 

[trouble13]

So, let's be clear about something.

Let's say those kids made a gesture that expressed support for their local law enforcement officers, and the crowd booed. Would you not want the parents to tell the kids that they should stand up for what they believe, and not let those boos bother them? Would parents who say that also care more about ideology than about their kids' mental health?

They should not be expressing support for anyone except maybe Santa clause. They are not mature enough to decide something like that and they are not mature enough to handle the backlash that comes with political activism.

Would you teach your 6yr old how to shoot a handgun or would you wait till he/she was mature enough to use one responsibly. This is the same thing. These kids are too young to be taught political activism.

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[MaggieD]

Why gosh, could it be that whites spent hundreds of years enslaving blacks? And when slavery was finally abolished at the point of a sword, they had to deal with decade after decade of oppression, racism, hatred, disenfranchisement, segregation, denigration, enforced poverty and discrimination? I think that might make a few people mad. Just a guess.

I'd also say that your attempts at drawing a moral equivalence show a deep failure to understand the history of the US, and how the legacies of slavery and segregation have affected our nation.

Blacks spent hundreds of years enslaving blacks. Yet many embrace those very roots. I am not responsible for what my great grandfather may have done. That legacy should not be an excuse. It should be motivation.

 

[americanwoman]

Would you let your precocious child cook at the stove when that young? How about manage a checkbook?

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Sure but it's starting with ramen noodles by my side and her own checkbook. You don't just hand a kid a recipe and leave them be or make them do it step by step exactly how you want it done. Give them a little nudge and let them learn.

 

[trouble13]

Sure but it's starting with ramen noodles by my side and her own checkbook. You don't just hand a kid a recipe and leave them be or make them do it step by step exactly how you want it done. Give them a little nudge and let them learn.

Ok but you see my point right?

I dont tell people how to parent but universally i think we can agree that you gauge your childrens activities to their level of development.

Kinda like games put ages on the box. Would you not agree that 8yrs old is a little too young to understand and appriciate what they are protesting or even what the protest is as a political tool, for the majority of those kids?

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[Renae]

1) I, as a father, would support the coach's decision. It would be a great teachable moment about social issues and responsibility, as well as draw attention to an important issue.

2) The parents are right if they support this initiative. I would also say that if parents pulled their kids because they didn't support the initiative, they'd be right also - this should not be a "mandatory" or "forced" exercise.

3) If the coach had the support of the parents, I think he was right to "engineer" this demonstration. "Black people are being murdered and nobody's going to jail." (and all other problematic issues that this demonstration would address) is a problem, and they could use all the help they can get. On it's own, it won't change much, but as a part of the sum it raises awareness (here we are talking about it), so that's a good thing.

Not bothered by this in the least....though I'm sure I'll have some folks who disagree with me....hehe

I'd pull my kid out off the team, and then demand the coach be fired for trying to project his political activism on young impressionable children.

 

[trouble13]

I'd pull my kid out off the team, and then demand the coach be fired for trying to project his political activism on young impressionable children.

Ild have to know the coach before going that far. At that level part of being a coach is teaching kids good character. Coach might of did the wrong thing for the right reason.

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[Chillfolks]

I'd pull my kid out off the team, and then demand the coach be fired for trying to project his political activism on young impressionable children.

Would you also be willing to step up and become the head coach? You would have to deal with parents who pull their children off the team over relatively minor issues then demand you loose your voluntary position.

Parents drove me from t-ball officiating because most parents suck at setting respectable examples for their children.