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Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupid’

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The book of Thilo Sarrazin is like an explosion, most of Muslims are very angry, because this very popular politician will push them to integration and necessarily of work instead of continuously receiving of all kinds government's benefits.In Germany most of Muslims are unemployment, it exist a very high criminal rate among them.

“I don’t want the country of my grandchildren and great-grandchildren to become, in large part, Muslim, that over wide areas Turkish and Arabic are spoken, where the women wear headscarves and the daily rhythms of life are dictated by the call of the Muezzin,” he writes....

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Thilo Sarazzin: Germany is destroying itself
 

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Re: Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupi

Daily there are reports of Muslim – both born and converted – German youths heading to military training camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan for terrorist training, while a study published in June claimed Muslim boys were under-achievers in school and susceptible to violent Islamic teaching.

Two weeks ago, the Mosque attended by the 11 September attack plotters in Hamburg was closed down after it was declared to be little more than a hate academy stirring up anti-western feelings.


Well, Germany can draw from its experiences of the rise of the likes of the Freikorps and other violent supremacist paramilitaries, plus the likes of Adolf Hitler's Nazis and other well-wishing thickos. And let's not forget the communist revolutionary thugs they regularly battled with.

Apparently there is more of a problem with Islamic extremism and problems with integration than here. Something has to be done, not just for the benefit of Germany and its internal peace but also for any peaceful Muslims caught up between the spires.


If ever there was a case for enforced repatriation of Islamic extremists and terrorists, plus the outlawing of Islam beyond a state-controlled sanitised version of the hate creed, then it's now. Germany's come down with a bad case of Islam and they need to deal with it, though 'innoculation' in the form of even more Islamic immigration won't do much good - unless of course they enter into diplomatic negotiations to swap bad Muslims in Germany for good ones wanting to settle peacefully. That would be a start.
 
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Re: Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupi

This is what I don't get about Europeans. They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want cheap labour because no one is willing to do the dirty work, so they import immigrants; then once they do, they complain that too many Muslims are coming. They start wars in the Middle East creating scores of refugees who will try to flock to where they can make a better life (and that tends not to be other M-E countries or further East), and that is obviously going to be Europe. In the recession, places like Britain create business incentives for people to relocate their companies to British soil, which of course means they will want to bring their families with them, only to then turn around and complain that Muslims are taking over.

Honestly... what do you expect? You want to have a cushy lifestyle where immigrants do all the dirty work, bring you their money, and you want the benefits of war without dealing with the human side. I think Europe is getting exactly what it deserves.
 

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Re: Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupi

No.


For a start, it was the politicians who encouraged limited coolie labour to benefit penny-pincher company bosses. Not only but also encouraging the mass open-door immigration which undercuts the workers already living here, changes the demographic and gives governments the excuses they need to foist the new 'multicultural' society by sidelining the 'racist' host culture. (Just look at what Martin Smith of the UAF says about our flag for example!)


These vermin deserve to be put on trial for crippling the younger generations and ruining the country.


And I suppose if British people are constantly being told they're too worthless and lazy to deserve jobs even in their own countries, then of course despondency is going to set in - especially as academic standards are through the floor, despite the government liars who spin their wares about exam passes getting better once again in a 23-year run!

If your own Government prefers you to come out of school wise only in dysfunctional political-correctness and dumbed-down subjects, then have you told it's better to waste your college years sitting Mickey Mouse courses before finding yourself instantly obsolete in the world of work, of course you're going to be left for dead in favour of good old Jerzy from Gdansk who'll work for peanuts!
 
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Re: Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupi

Apparently there is more of a problem with Islamic extremism and problems with integration than here. Something has to be done, not just for the benefit of Germany and its internal peace but also for any peaceful Muslims caught up between the spires..

Germany has not problem with some extremists but with the entirely Religion of Peace and Tolerance.The same problems was being arisen in all European countries.
 

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Re: Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupi

This is what I don't get about Europeans. They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want cheap labour because no one is willing to do the dirty work, so they import immigrants; then once they do, they complain that too many Muslims are coming.

It was invited fifty years ago not more as ten thousands Turks, thanks the huge birth rates, asylum seeking and import marriages Germany has now more as 3 millions Turks. The same situation is in the most of European countries.
 

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Re: Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupi

Germany has not problem with some extremists but with the entirely Religion of Peace and Tolerance.

I agree. But an evil faith doesn't make its followers evil, it just helps bring out the worst in people already like that. Millions are actually peaceful followers of a creed which even now they are blind to the truth of. (Hard as it is to credit these days, exactly the same was true of Adolf Hitler's Nazi Party before the war.)

Also hard as it would be to credit sometimes, I personally have known Muslims oblivious or wilfully ignorant of the wickedness inherent in their religion. Many are being brought up on a sanitised WH Smith-style version by decent parents. Either that or they're damn fine actors, of whom there are also many.
 

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Re: Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupi

This is what I don't get about Europeans. They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want cheap labour because no one is willing to do the dirty work, so they import immigrants; then once they do, they complain that too many Muslims are coming. They start wars in the Middle East creating scores of refugees who will try to flock to where they can make a better life (and that tends not to be other M-E countries or further East), and that is obviously going to be Europe. In the recession, places like Britain create business incentives for people to relocate their companies to British soil, which of course means they will want to bring their families with them, only to then turn around and complain that Muslims are taking over.

Honestly... what do you expect? You want to have a cushy lifestyle where immigrants do all the dirty work, bring you their money, and you want the benefits of war without dealing with the human side. I think Europe is getting exactly what it deserves.

Two points to make about this:
  1. Substitute the word American for European, and the word Mexican for Muslim and you're pretty much looking at the same issue.
  2. When was the last time a European nation made war in the Middle East? They've followed the US into a couple. Is that what you are referring to?
 

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Re: Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupi

Two points to make about this:
  1. Substitute the word American for European, and the word Mexican for Muslim and you're pretty much looking at the same issue.
  2. When was the last time a European nation made war in the Middle East? They've followed the US into a couple. Is that what you are referring to?

Pointing out another pile of **** across the ocean doesn't mean your **** stinks less.
 

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Re: Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupi

Pointing out another pile of **** across the ocean doesn't mean your **** stinks less.

No, indeed, it doesn't, but as you began your post, "This is what I don't get about Europeans," implies that you are describing something peculiar to Europe. I just showed that it's not peculiar at all, indeed it's quite similar to a situation you have in the States. This suggests that your post was either disingenuous or that you were unaware of the parallels.
 
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Re: Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupi

This suggests that your post was either disingenuous or that you were unaware of the parallels.

Or that the thread is about Europe so that's why I only mentioned Europe.
 

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Re: Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupi

It was invited fifty years ago not more as ten thousands Turks, thanks the huge birth rates, asylum seeking and import marriages Germany has now more as 3 millions Turks. The same situation is in the most of European countries.

why do they keep their Turkish citizenship :confused: you'd think that they'd become Germam after all that time.
 

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Re: Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupi

why do they keep their Turkish citizenship

Because Turks will always stay Turks, never Germans.
 

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Re: Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupi

Indeed, where you're born and grow up (and how) will ALWAYS have a cultural influence on your life. And that's however strong or weak and however much you feel allegiance to the new place.


Educational note to Left: That's not putting anyone down, it's just a fact!
 

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Re: Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupi

why do they keep their Turkish citizenship :confused: you'd think that they'd become Germam after all that time.

Germany still has a concept of 'ethnic' nationalism, it's backwards and potentially dangerous, but there have been some improvements in recent years, just look at their World Cup squad! Also, Germany doesn't allow duel-citizenship, thats forces children of immigrants to choose either the country of their parents, or the country of their birth.
 

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Re: Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupi

Germany still has a concept of 'ethnic' nationalism, it's backwards and potentially dangerous, but there have been some improvements in recent years, just look at their World Cup squad! Also, Germany doesn't allow duel-citizenship, thats forces children of immigrants to choose either the country of their parents, or the country of their birth.

It is not only a problem in Germany and having dual citizenship ability or not is in my opinion irrelevant. It is nothing but an excuse, and frankly also a danger in my opinion.. national security.. where are you true loyalties? We have seen it with American-X (random nation) spying for said X nation.

We are talking about 2nd and 3rd and 4th generation Turks who almost all were born and raised in Germany who would rather be a citizen of an alien country (to them) than the country of their birth. That is frankly shocking and it does not only happen in Germany, but in many places Turks have settled in Europe. Question is why.

The host country is of course guilty some what, no doubt about that. Lack of consistent integration policies and too open immigration policies and social polices have contributed to the alienation of Turks. But in my opinion the majority of the blame lays with the first generation Turks, aka the parents and grand parents. Their pressure to keep their "roots" over their now adopted country, has lead to so many conflicts for these young people that it is no wonder many are involved in crime, violence and worse.

What the ironic thing is... is that these very same Turks when busted for crimes or suddenly getting called up for national service in Turkey (which is mandatory), all of a sudden have a change of heart...

For example, about a decade ago a Turk in Copenhagen, born in Denmark, only been back to Turkey 2 times, got a choice at 18 (like everyone with two nationalities) to become a Danish citizen or not. He then got arrested for assaulting an old lady and stealing from her (not his only crime in his short life btw). The Judge correctly convicted him for prison time as an adult, but also according to the law foreign nationals convicted of a crime are to be expelled. Suddenly the Turk in question wanted to be a Dane, and got his deportation stopped because of it. Ironic no? And it is not the only example of this sudden urge to become citizen of your host country once you have exploited said country with crimes and the social system.

Ironically, it is for the most part only Turks that have all these problems, at least in Denmark.
 

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Re: Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupi

We are talking about 2nd and 3rd and 4th generation Turks who almost all were born and raised in Germany who would rather be a citizen of an alien country (to them) than the country of their birth. That is frankly shocking and it does not only happen in Germany, but in many places Turks have settled in Europe.

Turks don't seem to be the only ones. I don't agree with Pete EU often, but here he is spot on.
 

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Re: Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupi

Not only Turks but all Muslims have problems in all Western countries because the are against our civilization and want to replace it by Sharia.
 

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Re: Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupi

Not quite all:

Women Against Shariah

Arabs for Israel: meet the Egyptian woman who campaigns against Sharia – Telegraph Blogs

Canada: Muslim woman fears death for working in hair salon frequented by men « Creeping Sharia

Terrorizing Muslim Women | Fighting Radical Islam

Islam Watch - "Living Under Sharia: The Plight of Women in Saudi Arabia" by MA Khan

Fatwa in India: Illegal for women to work, support family - Jihad Watch



Muslim women are often Islam's forgotten victims, sometimes as much as those who died in London, New York, Bali or anywhere else you can mention.

Those who wish to get out or be shielded from the worst effects of the culture they were luckless enough to be born into deserve our support and aid.


But I agree. Making no mistake about it, that Islam and its often boneheadedly violent devotees are the cancer responsible for the suffering of even its own.




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Re: Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupi

Two points to make about this:
  1. Substitute the word American for European, and the word Mexican for Muslim and you're pretty much looking at the same issue.
  2. When was the last time a European nation made war in the Middle East? They've followed the US into a couple. Is that what you are referring to?

1. Mexicans are not bombing public transport, office buildings, pizza parlours, hotels. night clubs, and so on. They are far preferable to Muslims.

2. Europe created the Middle East
 

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Re: Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupi

Not only Turks but all Muslims have problems in all Western countries because the are against our civilization and want to replace it by Sharia.

Time to unsubscribe.
 

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Re: Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupi

Time to unsubscribe.

The Soviets had the same attitude to 'dissidents' not toeing the left wing line. Only you can't chuck someone in a mental hospital on DP.
 

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Re: Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupi

Another example of Islamic family values, breaking news to go with examples on the last page:

Carla Bruni branded 'prostitute' by Iran after she campaigns for woman threatened with stoning | Mail Online


However can the Left continue to downplay or make excuses, especially as their favourite bogeymen on the far-right wouldn't advocate even half as much?!

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Howeever.....

An Iranian foreign ministry spokesman said: 'The West must know that we cannot release criminals. Imagine if Western countries freed all criminals. There would be no order in society.'

I thought they were releasing all the criminals.....
 
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Re: Thilo Sarrazin : anger as ex-finance minister warns Muslims ‘making Germany stupi

The Soviets had the same attitude to 'dissidents' not toeing the left wing line. Only you can't chuck someone in a mental hospital on DP.

As usual, you and Grant missed his point. I think you'll find it's him that has unsubscribed.
 
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