'They chopped all their heads off'

Tameamea · Dec 5, 2014

An Anglican priest known as the “vicar of Baghdad” for his work in war-torn Iraq has recounted atrocities inflicted on Christian children by ISIS, the Muslim jihadist army that has declared the creation of an Islamic caliphate in parts of Iraq and Syria.

“They chopped all their heads off,” Andrew White told the Christian Broadcasting Network in an interview.

“ISIS [fighters] turned up and they said to the children, ‘You say the words that you will follow Muhammad,’” White said. “The children, all under 15, four of them, they said, ‘No, we love Yasua. We have always loved Yasua. We have always followed Yasua.”

White, mimicking ISIS, shouted, “‘Say the words!’”

But the children replied, “We can’t.”

“They chopped all their heads off,” White said.

“That is what we [Christians in Iraq] have been going through. That is what we are going through,” he said.

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After reading this article I just don’t understand what the world is waiting for. If the information in the article is true, if the pictures depict the real children, then this is one of the most terrible things that adults can do to them. And this is not just religious controversy or some new state annexing territory. This is monstrosity, and it must be stopped.
All the vaunted international organizations – what are they waiting for? What else do they need to destroy this monster?

TheDemSocialist · Dec 5, 2014

Yup that sounds like ISIS. And what do you mean "whats the world waiting for"? There is currently 12 countries (maybe 13 with the maybe recent involvement of Iran) involved in bombing Iraq, and 6 directly supplying military aid.

Reformedfindlay · Dec 5, 2014

Tameamea it's good to actually participate in the discussion and not try and just be a discussion starter every time.

Besides, Demsocialist basically said it well, countries are already bombing the hell out of Iraq.

Tim the plumber · Dec 5, 2014

Would you like to go back into Iraq?

Jango · Dec 5, 2014

Tim the plumber said:
Would you like to go back into Iraq?

It doesn't matter if I like it or not, sometimes necessary actions are unpleasant but just because they suck it doesn't mean that it is any less necessary. Human beings are being massacred, mutilated, put into bondage and systematically raped -- if not us, then who else is going to stand up, roll back their sleeves and get their hands dirty by putting their young warriors' boots on the ground and do MOUT and counterinsurgency and counterterrorism operations? Airstrikes, as they are now, are not going to stop ISIL.

ReverendHellh0und · Dec 5, 2014

Let arab men fight arab wars.

If they don't think we are coming to help, they'll get thier own people up front.

twixie1 · Dec 5, 2014

ReverendHellh0und said:
Let arab men fight arab wars.

If they don't think we are coming to help, they'll get thier own people up front.

I agree..they all lay back and wait for the USA or UK to appear..they must learn to fight their own wars..

Redress · Dec 5, 2014

ReverendHellh0und said:
Let arab men fight arab wars.

If they don't think we are coming to help, they'll get thier own people up front.

I dunno about the second part, but during the leadup to the first Gulf War, we got a BBC new program piped into the ship that we could listen to with an FM radio. One morning on that show they had an interview with a Saudi "prince" and asked him if he felt he should be part of the fighting force if/when the fighting started, his comment (paraphrased, working from memory) was "no, why should I risk my life when we have Americans here". I have some real bitterness towards every one in that region of the world.

ReverendHellh0und · Dec 5, 2014

Redress said:
I dunno about the second part, but during the leadup to the first Gulf War, we got a BBC new program piped into the ship that we could listen to with an FM radio. One morning on that show they had an interview with a Saudi "prince" and asked him if he felt he should be part of the fighting force if/when the fighting started, his comment (paraphrased, working from memory) was "no, why should I risk my life when we have Americans here". I have some real bitterness towards every one in that region of the world.

not sure why you "dunno" aren't we saying the same thing? **** the mid east. when ISIS comes knocking on the house of saud and we ain't coming. the'll learn quickly to fend for themselves.

cpwill · Dec 5, 2014

Tameamea said:
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After reading this article I just don’t understand what the world is waiting for. If the information in the article is true, if the pictures depict the real children, then this is one of the most terrible things that adults can do to them. And this is not just religious controversy or some new state annexing territory. This is monstrosity, and it must be stopped.
All the vaunted international organizations – what are they waiting for? What else do they need to destroy this monster?

You shouldn't judge other cultures like that. Fight the racism inherent in you and realize that for them, they are doing the right thing, and really, we are no better.

Declan · Dec 5, 2014

Jango said:
It doesn't matter if I like it or not, sometimes necessary actions are unpleasant but just because they suck it doesn't mean that it is any less necessary. Human beings are being massacred, mutilated, put into bondage and systematically raped -- if not us, then who else is going to stand up, roll back their sleeves and get their hands dirty by putting their young warriors' boots on the ground and do MOUT and counterinsurgency and counterterrorism operations? Airstrikes, as they are now, are not going to stop ISIL.

The people will just die to replace one thug with another thug. This is a civil war. We need to stop fighting it for them.

Jango · Dec 5, 2014

Declan said:
The people will just die to replace one thug with another thug. This is a civil war. We need to stop fighting it for them.

So long as you can accept the deaths of untold innocents -- men, women, children and the elderly. Lack of action is condemning them to death. It was obviously a mistake to withdraw from Iraq when it wasn't stable enough to stand under its own power. A costly mistake it has been. So we're gonna take it on the chin either way we decide, be it blood and treasure or our morality and conscience, one group is gonna get walloped.

ReverendHellh0und · Dec 5, 2014

Jango said:
So long as you can accept the deaths of untold innocents -- men, women, children and the elderly. Lack of action is condemning them to death. It was obviously a mistake to withdraw from Iraq when it wasn't stable enough to stand under its own power. A costly mistake it has been. So we're gonna take it on the chin either way we decide, be it blood and treasure or our morality and conscience, one group is gonna get walloped.

If your leaders are not willing to give you and I the tools to win said wars, after a while, watching it all fall apart and looking back at our dead and maimed friends, you gotta start thinking is it really worth fighting these banker wars?

Our election process does not bode well for strung out wars, all we have accomplished is helping established the pan arabic caliphate at the cost of our brothers and sisters.

Redress · Dec 5, 2014

ReverendHellh0und said:
not sure why you "dunno" aren't we saying the same thing? **** the mid east. when ISIS comes knocking on the house of saud and we ain't coming. the'll learn quickly to fend for themselves.

We are not exactly saying the same thing. I did not fully explain my thinking, which leads to the confusion, and I really don't have time to go into it all right now. Let's just say that there is a difference between excuse and reason, and that I have no confidence that if ISIS is knocking on a country like Saudi we won't come running, or they won't throw open the door.

Jango · Dec 5, 2014

ReverendHellh0und said:
If your leaders are not willing to give you and I the tools to win said wars, after a while, watching it all fall apart and looking back at our dead and maimed friends, you gotta start thinking is it really worth fighting these banker wars?

Our election process does not bode well for strung out wars, all we have accomplished is helping established the pan arabic caliphate at the cost of our brothers and sisters.

Situations like this is why I think a legitimate multinational force is needed, as NATO simply isn't cutting it structured as it is. Countries like Russia and China and India need to be brought into the fold so they can contribute waves of shock troops to quell a troubling disturbance and threat like ISIL and all the al Qaeda offshoots I.e. Islamic fundamentalists hellbent on waging a religious war against all non-believers, be they Indian, Russian or Chinese. An international problem requires an international solution, not just the U.S. and whoever we can get to go to war with us.

ReverendHellh0und · Dec 5, 2014

Jango said:
Situations like this is why I think a legitimate multinational force is needed, as NATO simply isn't cutting it structured as it is. Countries like Russia and China and India need to be brought into the fold so they can contribute waves of shock troops to quell a troubling disturbance and threat like ISIL and all the al Qaeda offshoots I.e. Islamic fundamentalists hellbent on waging a religious war against all non-believers, be they Indian, Russian or Chinese. An international problem requires an international solution, not just the U.S. and whoever we can get to go to war with us.

It will never happen.

Jango · Dec 5, 2014

ReverendHellh0und said:
It will never happen.

:shrug:

Maybe, maybe not.

ttwtt78640 · Dec 5, 2014

Redress said:
I dunno about the second part, but during the leadup to the first Gulf War, we got a BBC new program piped into the ship that we could listen to with an FM radio. One morning on that show they had an interview with a Saudi "prince" and asked him if he felt he should be part of the fighting force if/when the fighting started, his comment (paraphrased, working from memory) was "no, why should I risk my life when we have Americans here". I have some real bitterness towards every one in that region of the world.

Yep, the "good" Muslims have decided that it is not a big problem so long as they are left alone. Their concern for Christians (non-Muslims?) is not large enough to actually do anything to stop the "extremest" Muslims from wiping them out.

Declan · Dec 5, 2014

Jango said:
So long as you can accept the deaths of untold innocents -- men, women, children and the elderly. Lack of action is condemning them to death. It was obviously a mistake to withdraw from Iraq when it wasn't stable enough to stand under its own power. A costly mistake it has been. So we're gonna take it on the chin either way we decide, be it blood and treasure or our morality and conscience, one group is gonna get walloped.

I can accept the deaths of untold people, be they innocent or not, but when it comes to who will be doing the dying, I would rather it be them instead of us. What makes you think an American parent suffers any less of a loss than an Arab parent at the loss of their child?

Jango · Dec 5, 2014

Declan said:
I can accept the deaths of untold people, be they innocent or not, but when it comes to who will be doing the dying, I would rather it be them instead of us. What makes you think an American parent suffers any less of a loss than an Arab parent at the loss of their child?

Did I suggest such a thing? No, sir, I did not. The U.S. has an all volunteer force. Boys and girls willingly sign up to serve their country. Naturally of course, their parents are both proud of their child and terrified about what the future holds for them as they wear the cloth. But, I guess since people can be frozen by the bystander effect, we should just leave our fellow human beings out on a limb to just be slaughtered.

Tim the plumber · Dec 6, 2014

Jango said:
It doesn't matter if I like it or not, sometimes necessary actions are unpleasant but just because they suck it doesn't mean that it is any less necessary. Human beings are being massacred, mutilated, put into bondage and systematically raped -- if not us, then who else is going to stand up, roll back their sleeves and get their hands dirty by putting their young warriors' boots on the ground and do MOUT and counterinsurgency and counterterrorism operations? Airstrikes, as they are now, are not going to stop ISIL.

Yes, we did such a good job last time of doing all that didn't we.

Maybe we are not capable of doing that successfully.

Maybe the locals have to make the decision to fight their own wars.

shrubnose · Dec 6, 2014

Tameamea said:
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After reading this article I just don’t understand what the world is waiting for. If the information in the article is true, if the pictures depict the real children, then this is one of the most terrible things that adults can do to them. And this is not just religious controversy or some new state annexing territory. This is monstrosity, and it must be stopped.

All the vaunted international organizations – what are they waiting for? What else do they need to destroy this monster?

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I certainly agree that what these people did was at least as bad as what the Christians did to those who didn't kneel down to their god many times in the past.

Maybe we should have a religious war, eh?

Would you support that?

Jango · Dec 6, 2014

Tim the plumber said:
Yes, we did such a good job last time of doing all that didn't we.

Maybe we are not capable of doing that successfully.

Maybe the locals have to make the decision to fight their own wars.

They have already, for like 2,000+ years. It hasn't worked. Shock troops could pacify them, but their hands are tied with diplomatic and legislative bonds.

shrubnose · Dec 6, 2014

Anyone who thinks that they can change what's going on there should get over there and show the world how it's done.

I'd like to see it.

Talk is cheap, actually doing something is a little bit harder.

The clock is ticking.

Amadeus · Dec 6, 2014

It's an endless cycle that cannot be fixed by America or any power outside the Middle East. What America can do is make the situation worse by picking sides and building houses of cards that only stand for as long as America maintains a presence.

'They chopped all their heads off'

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'They chopped all their heads off'

Gradualist

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Liberal Fascist For Life!

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I don't respect you.

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