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These little shits have no idea what Boomers went through

The oldest boomer would be 79 this year. 80 next.
Forgot about Clinton.
I thought trump was turning 80 this year. My bad.

Yeah, 1946 is generally considered the first year of boomers. Trump, GW, and Clinton were born in June, July and August, respectively, of 1946. All three turned 79 in the last few months.

Biden was definitely not a boomer, though.
 
Reagan raised FICA taxes to help shore up SS. The last president to do so.

AFAIK, the ACA Obama pushed through was close to the plan Reagan was pushing for back then. Going off of memory on that one. His may have been the plan H Clinton was pushing for when Bill was president.
So far as I am aware, the ACA was based on a Republican plan, at least in the main.

At the time I didn't think it went far enough, and I still don't. A big chunk of our issue is the existence of private health insurance at all. IMO.

There should be a publicly funded baseline standard of care, provided for free and paid for by taxes. If you want more, that's where private insurance can work.
 
You are very well versed in answering posts, without answering posts.
Much like conspiracy theorists do.
I answer posts based on their content. Yours had little to respond to.
 
Says a MAGA conspiracy theorist.
I'm none of the above. You and your ilk are the conspiracy types.
BTW - I am independent. More middle. But certainly left of the Atilla the Hun MAGA.
You're deluded.
Sen Rand Paul must be one of those nonsensical LW blatherer's.

...
In response to Vance’s post, Paul wrote in a post of his own later Saturday that “JD ‘I don’t give a s‑‑‑’ Vance says killing people he accuses of a crime is the ‘highest and best use of the military.’”


“Did he ever read To Kill a Mockingbird? Did he ever wonder what might happen if the accused were immediately executed without trial or representation??” the Kentucky senator added.


“What a despicable and thoughtless sentiment it is to glorify killing someone without a trial,” he continued.
Do you need a Kleenex.
:cry:
 
I understand what it’s suppose to be cultivating BUT…

The metrics are the metrics.

Those metrics suggest what we are cultivating are too high a percentage of young adults with incredibly thin skins, a self-belief system that tells them participation is sufficient to be rewarded just for for showing up, phobias and neurosis - pharmacological requiring - specimens that require “safe spaces” and the notion they are owed an existence.

That’s not real world reality or reasonable expectations. It will not serve them well. We are creating too many people unprepared for living a self-reliant, self-sustaining, life.
So um... how do I put this? You're literally describing the current president, who older voters chose to represent them at significantly higher rates. I would expect young people fresh from 18+ years of having their needs largely met for them to be a little less self-reliant on average - that goes without saying - but the past nine years have really shone a spotlight on the just how much an even deeper fragility and sense of entitlement pervades the older generations. The fears of immigrants and crime and 'socialism' and gay people and trans people Muslims are almost entirely abstract, distant bogeymen which in almost all cases don't affect their lives in the slightest, and in some cases actually improves their lives... but those imagined fears have caused the older voters in particular to pretty much abandon all sense of morality, fairness and values of liberty, democracy and human rights in favour of a Big Daddy would-be 'strongman' government by one of the most thin-skinned man-babies on the planet!

And you're wanting to compare that to young people... what? Responding to actual direct criticism (which does actually hurt most people of any age) by backing away or something, rather than with aggression or violence? Even on that kind of personal level I reckon you'd be hard-pressed to find evidence that young people are noticeably 'weaker' or whatever than older people, let alone compared to young people of prior decades, which should be the actual point of comparison; at most you might find that they have different (and in many cases healthier) ways of coping and responding to adversity. But real or perceived fragility on a personal level in the face of actual direct adversity pales into insignificance besides the nation-shattering shadow-jumping fragility of Trump voters which includes significantly higher numbers of older folk.
 
Those metrics suggest what we are cultivating are too high a percentage of young adults with incredibly thin skins, a self-belief system that tells them participation is sufficient to be rewarded just for for showing up, phobias and neurosis - pharmacological requiring - specimens that require “safe spaces” and the notion they are owed an existence.

That’s not real world reality or reasonable expectations. It will not serve them well. We are creating too many people unprepared for living a self-reliant, self-sustaining, life.
So um... how do I put this? You're literally describing the current president, who older voters chose to represent them at significantly higher rates.
It's probably even more worthwhile to note that while things like being "thick-skinned" and "self-reliant" tend to be much more heavily emphasized by big strong manly men - making it rather dubious to imply that these are the primary 'metrics' by which generational or childrearing success should be measured to begin with - support for the thin-skinned man-baby driven largely by jumping at trans and immigrant shadows is actually much more pronounced among men (+10%) than among older voters (+3%), to the point of being an absolute majority in all men's age groups.
 
So um... how do I put this? You're literally describing the current president, who older voters chose to represent them at significantly higher rates.

That is not specifically true. Level of education has a lot more to do with supporting Trump than age. I’m a senior citizen but I’m college educated and have a functioning understanding of ethics and right vs. wrong equations. I realize that no matter the politics one desires one doesn’t resort to political tantrums and putting a highly unethical, because their public record states that is precisely what they are, individuals in high offices because they are feeling under represented. I can DISCERN the difference between a standard issue political hack and a bonafide sociopath and realize the hack, while far less than perfect, is the lesser evil.

I would expect young people fresh from 18+ years of having their needs largely met for them to be a little less self-reliant on average…

It’s not a matter of ability. Of course one would expect younger people to be ‘“on route” and less arrived. It’s a matter of expectation. The lack of “on route”. Failure to launch.

that goes without saying - but the past nine years have really shone a spotlight on the just how much an even deeper fragility and sense of entitlement pervades the older generations.

Nonsense. Show me the metrics that support that.

The history clearly shows a past where older people supported young people as they approach maturation, where those younger people then cross over into functioning adulthood, and then those functioning adults support their advancing into their final years elders as they slide out of self-sufficiency in declining years. It’s always been the way, until recently, where increasingly non-functioning 30 and 40 and even 50 year olds move back in with their parents looking for the kind of support they received in the childhoods, with 20 something’s never launching in the first place. Still living with Mom and Dad.

And it’s not the multi-generational homes we’ve seen in past periods of economic despair. Where members of all the generations present work hard and chip in to carry everyone present along. It is the reappearance of younger generation failing to reach orbits of their own falling back into the gravitational sphere of their parents, and grandparents, looking for the kind of emotional and economic support of children and very young adults.


The fears of immigrants and crime and 'socialism' and gay people and trans people Muslims are almost entirely abstract, distant bogeymen which in almost all cases don't affect their lives in the slightest, and in some cases actually improves their lives... but those imagined fears have caused the older voters in particular to pretty much abandon all sense of morality, fairness and values of liberty, democracy and human rights in favour of a Big Daddy would-be 'strongman' government by one of the most thin-skinned man-babies on the planet!

Bogus. Again, the metrics don’t bare that out. It is, again, a matter of education. A desire to dig into things to figure them out for yourself rather than accept, on face value, what one is spoon feed from whatever bubble an algorithm places them in.

Young people are more apt to be click baited and algorithmically accepting of where there smartphones and social media put them. It’s not senior citizens matching in “Gays for Palestine” protests, members of a community demonstrating for people who would stone them to death for their sexuality.

It’s a function of self-dependence to find out things for yourself, not accept on say so. “The Information Age” generations are statistically more apt to not question the security of being assigned a bubble by an algorithm. Though, again, education level is the deciding factor in much of this. Less so than age.


And you're wanting to compare that to young people... what? Responding to actual direct criticism (which does actually hurt most people of any age) by backing away or something…

You’re barking up the wrong tree. You can’t say things to me and expect me to accept it because you say so. You have to make a case. I have mine, and if I don’t I’ll dig and find out truths. I’m a fully functioning, self-sufficient, adult. I can pay my own bills, conduct my own life without leaning hard on others, do my own research, use deductive reasoning and critical thinking to come to working, fact based, conclusions. All that grown-up stuff. {smiling good naturedly}
 
It's probably even more worthwhile to note that while things like being "thick-skinned" and "self-reliant" tend to be much more heavily emphasized by big strong manly men - making it rather dubious to imply that these are the primary 'metrics' by which generational or childrearing success should be measured to begin with - support for the thin-skinned man-baby driven largely by jumping at trans and immigrant shadows is actually much more pronounced among men (+10%) than among older voters (+3%), to the point of being an absolute majority in all men's age groups.



I make no such assumptions.

As I’ve stated elsewhere, level of education has a lot to do with this.

It’s the “big strong manly men”, if less educated, statistically more likely to be experiencing orbital decay and failing to achieve their own launch and establishment of their own life orbits.

And by educated I mean classically so. Not some designer degree in “Modern History of Yoga” nonsense. I mean where they teach research, deductive reasoning and critical thinking.
 
The thing that I find fascinating is this idea that younger generations don’t work.

They work… it’s just a different economy than what the boomers had.

The benefits that existed in corporate America don’t really exist anymore… the old benefit structure isn’t there

What has happened since the 80’s
Agree with your points, but this caught my eye.

My mother will be 87 Sunday. She was born in 1938.

The difference in technology between 1938 and today is immense. My mother has witnessed the "family car" go from 10 mpg to 30 mpg. She learned how to type on a manual typewriter and now uses speech to text. Etc., etc.

We've never before seen such a drastic increase in technology over such a short period of time. The wagons used in 1900 were little different than the ones used in 1776, or in 1776 BCE, for that matter. We've seen technological advances since 1980 that used to take centuries to complete.

I can't say whether this, in itself, has affected society in a negative way - we've survived other advancements admirably - but as history goes, the rate of change is unprecedented.


is that the American worker has been squeezed more and more with increasing economic instability and rising costs with flatlined wages.


I am Gen X and am perhaps in the last wave of workers that didn’t have to deal with the tech fueled gig economy

This is an economy that exists to benefit the oligarchy and it can be argued that the Boomers were the hand maidens to it because they have been dominating power for so long.

It’s a result of the gerontocracy.
 
no
today's music does sucks
it doesn't have a soul
the lyrics are not creative
it sounds automated
the singers rely upon autotune
the instruments are about 90% computer generated
Here's old and young tgogether, building on the past.



Bobby Rush is 91. He got more than soul goin' for him.
 
You really dont know what happened to us in the 80s?
Shame

Yeah, because I had started working by then. And now it's about to happen to "us" a second time, on the brink of what would have been retirement.

Any other complaints about how hard Boomers had it?
 
, because I had started working by then. And now it's about to happen to "us" a second time, on the brink of what would have been retirement.
Clue

You will be grandfathered in so no need to melt.

Plus retirement age is far too young as it is.
 
educated I mean classically so. Not some designer degree in “Modern History of Yoga” nonsense. I mean where they teach research, deductive reasoning and critical thinking.
Critical thinking is learned in any university degree which is why college is so important.
It should be taught as a dedicated course all through grade and high school.
 
Critical thinking is learned in any university degree which is why college is so important.

Once upon a time. Yes. Today, not so much.

It should be taught as a dedicated course all through grade and high school.

It should be, as it was in my inner city public high school in my day, where I also studied Latin and business law as well as 1970’s computer languages like BASIC, COBAL and FORTRAN, a secondary school priority. My HS had a time share on Rutger’s IBM 360’s in 1974.

That’s the direction our public schools should have gone to, not where they wound up.
 
Yeah, because I had started working by then. And now it's about to happen to "us" a second time, on the brink of what would have been retirement.

Any other complaints about how hard Boomers had it?
Boomers had it easy compared to their parents.
 
I say this as a fairly successful older millennial.

Baby boomers don’t owe anyone an apology, and they’re not obligated to look out for anyone but themselves and their families.

That said, a lot of them live with the delusion that their generation’s success was due only to them being willing to work hard. There might be some truth to that, but they also got to experience the post war boom.
 
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