These little shits have no idea what Boomers went through

[Grand Mal]

Too nonsensical to answer. Explain how the last election proves your "more liberals" contention. Spend a little time researching what the Dems are advocating; The true authoritarian "Daddy State"

Do you even know what 'liberal' means? Or 'conservative', for that matter?
Here's two hints to try to steer you in the right direction...
,1- Anyone who doesn't hold liberal values isn't a liberal, doesn't matter what he, you, or anyone else says.
2- Donald Trump isn't a conservative, doesn't matter what he, you or anyone else says.

 

[Bullseye]

Do you even know what 'liberal' means? Or 'conservative', for that matter?
Here's two hints to try to steer you in the right direction...
,1- Anyone who doesn't hold liberal values isn't a liberal, doesn't matter what he, you, or anyone else says.
2- Donald Trump isn't a conservative, doesn't matter what he, you or anyone else says.

It's hard to debate ignorance so I'll say good bye

 

[Jezcoe]

Yep
The boomers got screwed
We paid for grandma and mom and dad to get full benefits then had ours cut

Boomers have been in power for decades.

That didn’t have to happen

 

[Grand Mal]

It's hard to debate ignorance so I'll say good bye

No, you'll say goodbye because you know I'm right. Liberal and Democrat aren't synonyms, not even close, and neither are conservative and Republican.

 

[noonereal]

Boomers have been in power for decades.

That didn’t have to happen

Really? How were we gonna keep the social programs solvent?

 

[Bullseye]

No, you'll say goodbye because you know I'm right. Liberal and Democrat aren't synonyms, not even close, and neither are conservative and Republican.

Where did I say either? Try reading my words, I try to limit long ones so you should be ok. i

Fact is "Liberal" and "Conservative" have only the slightest of connections to "Democrat" or "Republican".

 

[Grand Mal]

Where did I say either? Try reading my words, I try to limit long ones so you should be ok.

Right here.
I said there were still lots of liberals out there, probably more than there are conservatives, and you replied...

Too nonsensical to answer. Explain how the last election proves your "more liberals" contention. Spend a little time researching what the Dems are advocating; The true authoritarian "Daddy State"

The last election result says absolutely nothing about the numbers of liberals and conservatives in the USA. Only people who don't know what the words mean think it does.
You obviously don't know that Democrat doesn't mean 'liberal', or that authoritarian is nearly the polar opposite of liberal.

 

[Bullseye]

Right here.
I said there were still lots of liberals out there, probably more than there are conservatives, and you replied...

Well only LOSER people say that, but voting numbers support my point.

The last election result says absolutely nothing about the numbers of liberals and conservatives in the USA. Only people who don't know what the words mean think it does.

Are you serious? You've got the worst case of denial I've ever seen.

You obviously don't know that Democrat doesn't mean 'liberal', or that authoritarian is nearly the polar opposite of liberal.

Are you actually reading my posts or just making up?

 

[Grand Mal]

Well only LOSER people say that, but voting numbers support my point.

No they bloody don't. The magatry elected Trump, not conservatives.

Are you serious? You've got the worst case of denial I've ever seen.

Like I said, you don't know what 'liberal' and 'conservative' means.

Are you actually reading my posts or just making up?

Of course I'm reading your posts. That's how I know that you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Bullseye]

No they bloody don't. The magatry elected Trump, not conservatives.

Desperations getting deeper and deeper.

Like I said, you don't know what 'liberal' and 'conservative' means.

And you're wrong about other stuff too.

Of course I'm reading your posts. That's how I know that you don't know what you're talking about.

You haven't produced a single piece of evidence to that point. You seem to have some idea that there exists a checklist that dictates what comprises a "Conservative", and what comprises a "liberal". (Hint they don't exist).

 

[Jezcoe]

Really? How were we gonna keep the social programs solvent?

Tax the rich.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

Opinion | How Baby Boomers Blew Up the American Dream

The postwar generation had a good run. Now we’re all paying for it.

www.nytimes.com

Unaware spoiled ass holes

Okay, they probably don't. OTOH, Boomers always seem to think they had everything so hard and everyone afterward has everything handed to us. How about some Gen X love? We did and continue to support all those Boomers in their old age, beginning early into it becaue their retirement age was so much lower. We also fund the populations after us. BUT...we are currently being threatened with a retirement age of freaking 70, having *already* been bumped back with retirement age when we first started working. We, like Boomers, did all the blah-blah-blah-life-was-so-tough stuff too. We drank from a garden hose, ZOMG, we walked to and from school a thousand miles in the snow, if we got beaten up daily by bullies we were supposed to "get tough and handle it," our parents hit us, sometimes our friends' parents' hit us, we came home to empty households and had to cook our own shit...snack obviously but also frequently dinner, just like you we had chores up the wazoo and were told "If you have nothing to do we'll GIVE you something to do," we were sent outside in 0 degree weather just like you, we had to work like hell to move out by 19 because otherwise we were considered pieces of shit, nobody bought us our first car, and rent was going through the ROOF compared to a generation before at that time. And on and on ad nauseum X 10.

And now we're caretakers for our parents as well....the Boomers. Paying for everything or else fearing a reverse mortage we'll ALSO have on our shoulders. Because in addition to your young retirement age you also want to have plenty of fun money to spend before you die. (Jesus...)

We paid for you AND we pay for those younger than us AND we're snarked at, "So what if the retirement age is moving back again? So what if Medicare is shrinking?' Didn't you think to save up for all of your retirement all this time?"

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL yeah sure, how? Most of us have a mil, or less, some have none...

We are a far smaller population than either Boomers or Millennials but we are supporting one, and supporting (or did support...and almost certainly continue to help) another but without your help the way we're helping both you and our adult kids, because oh come on, you're elderly, you're on a fixed income (and have been or a long time and will continue to be). But do our Millennial kids think about us the same way we do about our parents, that we're about to be on a fixed income and they should lay off the overspending? Of course not. They're entitled. And Boomers and Xs and Ys because today the idea is "I shouldn't have to pay for someone else just because they raised me. Plus life is soooooo hard when you're 20 or 30 and have to work." Great.

But we are the only generation that isn't allowed to whine about how tough life is. We literally got ****ed on every end of the economic stick AND the child-of-Boomers treatment and forced very very early independence.

How about ALL of these people stop whining and take a split second to remember how Xers have funded your ass and are continuing to fund your ass and will fund your ass? You're welcome.

 

[Whatthe??]

Exactly what will you make better, and how? Be specific.

One thing MOST kids under the age of 35 will NOT do, is be specific. Nor will they listen to anyone who doesn't think exactly like they do. Nobody can "fix" anything, without knowing how and why it is broken. It's their mindset to blame whoever stands against them, period. They know nothing about US, how this Country works, and why it isn't working now. I wish this Country forced every single young adult to serve a year or two in the Military, and stopped bending over for anyone. We need to treat terrorists as terrorists - especially when they are our own people. I'm a "boomer" - one thing we WEREN'T about, was HATE and selfishness. I don't care what anyone says about our generation - I really don't.

 

[Whatthe??]

Tax the rich.

As if you knew they aren't.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

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We say "get offa my lawn" all the time in my household, to humorously keep one another in check. Because we ARE getting old...

I used to love the Dana character of the Old Man.

"And we LIKED it"

 

[RedFishBlueFish]

Self-pity sucks. Whining is ineffective use of energy.

I am a boomer and all I have ever done is work, save, and live my life by good, solid, Adam Smith, economic principles. I lived within my means. I appreciated my single parent Mother and didn't suggest to her she owned me anything. I had an grown up job, ass't super in a large apartment building, since I was 13 years old and I kicked in to my household. There were expectations of me and I was proud when I met them.

As a working class grown up I paid myself first, always putting some portion of my wages away for my future. I purchased my first house when I retired. I was an apartment dweller up till then. The bills got paid. Obligations were not taken on without consideration and certainly not deliberately without their having merit. I rose into the middle class by effort. I did have college BEOG grants and appreciated them, making good use and my college courses were always geared towards a career. First in communications, then in law enforcement and government operations [business classes geared to government careers in management].

I petitioned my government to do the same. I did not favor tax cuts only for the wealthy as they did NOTHING for me. I did not favor tax cuts at all when the bills weren't getting paid. I wanted government to run their budget like I ran mine. If you don't have it, don't spend it. Have a rainy day fund. I believe in surpluses. If I didn't make enough to have one I worked harder. I've had two jobs most of my adult life. I wanted my government to have surpluses as well.

Kids today have a very weird idea about the world and how it works. They think they are owed something. My eldest ADULT grandchild, after moving into my house, told me a few years back that I, his grandfather, existed solely to pave the way for him and I had an obligation to make his life easier. Mind you, he said this while living in my home, using my resources, and floundering in his attempts to launch himself.

We had a little chat about life after that statement, precisely what is and isn't owed anyone. What is and why being self-sustaining as an adult is important.

It didn't take immediately but its five years later and he is just married, living in his own apartment now, and has very different notions about such things. He gets it. He has told me he appreciates the leg up, AND the education on how to live a sustainable life.

I get that not ever Boomer lived that way but those of us who took in the examples of our "Greatest Generation" parents and lived as they did acted out of responsibility and knowing no one owes you anything. What you can be assured of is only what you create for yourself AND maintain.

Now, I am not saying these kids are "little shits", or that they have some obligation to "know what we went though". All I am saying is that a sense of entitlement doesn't get the bills paid, and what they can learn for us is best taught by GOOD example.

I find this an interesting topic and chose your post to reply to. Because there are some similarities. I too, educated myself (my parents helped in undergrad), worked steadily, lived within my means, saved religiously, did not bitch about paying taxes (as I had empathy for the less advantaged), progressed in my career and provided well for my family.

But, I feel that my generation as a whole did leave future generations in worse shape and feel guilty about that. To a large extent this is not just economics but environmental. We have used enormous resources (oil being No. 1, but other resources as well) with no regard to future generations and the despoiling of the environment. We have left our children (and grandchildren) with a huge debt. And we are not helping them as we should (student debt and lower education levels being a prime example). We, as a whole, have turned our back on the disadvantaged. Yet, we have the money and resources to help them.

I only have one child and she is a veterinarian and doing well. But, she has student debt (I financed her undergrad fully, but not her grad education, sorta like my parents (who didn't fully finance my undergrad)) and I worry greatly about the world we are leaving for her children. Again, to a large extent environmentally but economically as well. The things that have been done to corporatize America are hurting them significantly. The SC decision that corporations are essentially people has been very harmful. Similarly the campaign finance rulings. I feel we have f**ded them in numerous ways. And I'm sorry we have done that.

To compensate, I have put $1000 a year in a UTMA for each of my grandchildren since birth. They also get 50% of my assets upon death. I hope to make up for the problems my generation has created for them.

 

[noonereal]

Okay, they probably don't. OTOH, Boomers always seem to think they had everything so hard and everyone afterward has everything handed to us. How about some Gen X love? We did and continue to support all those Boomers in their old age, beginning early into it becaue their retirement age was so much lower. We also fund the populations after us. BUT...we are currently being threatened with a retirement age of freaking 70, having *already* been bumped back with retirement age when we first started working. We, like Boomers, did all the blah-blah-blah-life-was-so-tough stuff too. We drank from a garden hose, ZOMG, we walked to and from school a thousand miles in the snow, if we got beaten up daily by bullies we were supposed to "get tough and handle it," our parents hit us, sometimes our friends' parents' hit us, we came home to empty households and had to cook our own shit...snack obviously but also frequently dinner, just like you we had chores up the wazoo and were told "If you have nothing to do we'll GIVE you something to do," we were sent outside in 0 degree weather just like you, we had to work like hell to move out by 19 because otherwise we were considered pieces of shit, nobody bought us our first car, and rent was going through the ROOF compared to a generation before at that time. And on and on ad nauseum X 10.

And now we're caretakers for our parents as well....the Boomers. Paying for everything or else fearing a reverse mortage we'll ALSO have on our shoulders. Because in addition to your young retirement age you also want to have plenty of fun money to spend before you die. (Jesus...)

We paid for you AND we pay for those younger than us AND we're snarked at, "So what if the retirement age is moving back again? So what if Medicare is shrinking?' Didn't you think to save up for all of your retirement all this time?"

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL yeah sure, how? Most of us have a mil, or less, some have none...

We are a far smaller population than either Boomers or Millennials but we are supporting one, and supporting (or did support...and almost certainly continue to help) another but without your help the way we're helping both you and our adult kids, because oh come on, you're elderly, you're on a fixed income (and have been or a long time and will continue to be). But do our Millennial kids think about us the same way we do about our parents, that we're about to be on a fixed income and they should lay off the overspending? Of course not. They're entitled. And Boomers and Xs and Ys because today the idea is "I shouldn't have to pay for someone else just because they raised me. Plus life is soooooo hard when you're 20 or 30 and have to work." Great.

But we are the only generation that isn't allowed to whine about how tough life is. We literally got ****ed on every end of the economic stick AND the child-of-Boomers treatment and forced very very early independence.

How about ALL of these people stop whining and take a split second to remember how Xers have funded your ass and are continuing to fund your ass and will fund your ass? You're welcome.

Clue, boomers had to retire later than the generations before them and their benefits were cut. Forget about the COLA rip off we are subjected too.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

Clue, boomers had to retire later than the generations before them

Are you sure??? The generations before them, for the very large part, literally never retired. There WAS no socially supported retirement and you farmed until your heart gave out. Or you got really, really sick and guess what...you went to live with your kids and were taken care of...as many many Boomers also did. Xers won't get to do that, not the least reason being we probably don't want to but also because while the generation before us told us "you better take care of us or you're a selfish, horrible lazy person," the generations after us just blithely say, "It should never be a child's responsibility to eventually take care of their parent."

and their benefits were cut.

Oh hey, that's happening to us too! Oh shit. I forgot. Only Boomers are allowed to complain about that.

Forget about the COLA rip off we are subjected too.

I'm 58, looking at my retirement age being bumped back AGAIN like when I started working and did this decades-long countdown that was going to be yanked from us less than 10 years before I *would have* finally been "allowed" to retire. Starting to think my generation simplly won't have it, period. Cry on.

So again. You're welcome, every other freakin' generation. Well, I'm off now to get back to work because taking care of my parents, kids and the whole rest of the world costs a LOT of money.

 

[Jezcoe]

As if you knew they aren't.

The rich are the most coddled class in this countr

 

[Greenbeard]

"This entitlement regime only bears a loose relationship to need: over 90 percent of social insurance assistance goes to a single demographic group that is defined by age rather than need—people aged sixty‑five and over. The government distributes about fifty thousand dollars a year in Social Security and Medicare benefits to the typical married couple who retired at age sixty‑six in 2016, just six thousand dollars less than the median income of U.S. households in general. Yet these retirees have lived through some of the most prosperous years in American history. They can also expect to live longer than any previous retirees. The burden of supporting this gilded generation will fall on current workers who have had far fewer opportunities than their seniors and have to simultaneously provide for their own children."

Greenspan and Wooldridge, Capitalism in America: A History

 

[noonereal]

you sure??? The generations before them, for the very large part, literally never retired

Wtf ? Benefits began in 1940. The law was passed in 1935 so wtf are you talking about?

 

[Mithrae]

The people in the video would probably make fun of you for this response since it's the most stereotypical boomer response imaginable,

The people in the video? I reckon all reasonable folk should make fun of the OP, in their minds if nothing else: Someone not only whinging about the opinions of other people - because their feelings were hurt by those people's complaints (misdirected or not) about real world consequences of prior decades' policies - but evidently unwilling or perhaps unable to even string two sentences together to actually articulate a coherent position

The people in this video have a nostalgic view of the Pax Americana and the Boomer generation, but these people are also likely all materialistic cosmopolitan yuppies. They look back with envy on the previous generation which had modest living conditions, few material vices, an authentic belief in God, and largely homogeneous communities. The paradox here, of course, is that their cosmopolitan worldview would call the living conditions of the past "problematic" and yet they still feel some yearning for the spiritual and communal pillars which buttressed previous generations.

These people will never be happy because they want to synthesize a contradiction. They want the rich spiritual and communal realities of the past to mingle with cosmopolitan atomizing capitalism and it will never happen.

I can't really watch the video while at work, but to my mind the biggest issues or categories of issues faced by younger generations are affordability (housing, healthcare etc.) and sustainability (climate breakdown, ecological destruction, political instability etc.). Social atomization is definitely a concern - caused by both economic and especially technological factors - but I'd be surprised if many zoomers are listing "the rich spiritual and communal realities of the past" as one of their chief wants; that might be a nice romanticization for straight WASP men, I guess, but for anyone else...?

 

[Mithrae]

Where we did go wrong was in our "Dr Benjamin Spock" thinking some of us adopted in the raising of our children. It was the seed of entitlement that lead to even greater indulgences we programed into our kids. The early premise for "every child is special".

Every child should be loved unconditionally, but that doesn't mean every child is special. Most of us are quite ordinary.

I liked your first post, but this seems to be a misdiagnosis. I'm not very familiar with Benjamin Spock specifically, but from what I gather the application of modern pediatric psychology in "every child is special"-style parenting, education and programming is heavily oriented towards helping kids cultivate their happiness in themselves, as they are, which is pretty much the exact opposite of entitlement or feeling like there's something else you need to be happy. The latter is a product of near-constant bombardment with materialistic advertising and extrinsic values in the media, which has only gotten worse over time.

"Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off. ”

 

[Metric Mouse]

Really? When was that? People born in the early 50's through the beginning of the 60's got "handed" the economy of the 1970's, with high inflation, high interest rates, and high unemployment.

People born in the early 1950s created the economy of theblat 1970s.

Absolutely a person at that time could work and pay for school... now it takes a full time paycheck to pay for college, before cost of living is factored in. Boomers had houses and apartments and food AND college on a single salary...

We wish it was the same today. But they ****ed it up.

 

[Metric Mouse]

the Boomers made America better

Better than what?

Boomers have been in charge for the last 30+ years..

How are people feeling about the direction of the country, how is social security doing?

Kinda seems it's only better for boomers, and objectively worse for everyone else.